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[MKCustodial]

Originally posted by spider-man
I will justify he mansion security by saying that Striker has all info on the mansion, therefore he bypasses security.

I like Mystique. Your points are valid, but she is a great character for spy work, so they needed to increase her abilities some I guess. The snake sliding was dumb and cool all at once. Sometimes you must let go for a quick gag.

I suspect Colossus is on the team, but not anounced as such. The time period we seee him Wolverine asks him to help the kids rather than him. Suggesting that Wolverine knows who he is and what his powers are. Since Professior X was not there to assemble a full X-men team, we really don't know who all is on the team I think.

All right, all valid points. I guess since Magneto gave Stryker the info, it also justifies Mystique breaking in on the first one as well... But they REALLY need some Shiar technology there! :lol:

Oh, and how long will we have to wait for a glimpse of the Danger Room? Cause trading that for Cyke shooting discs on the first movie was pretty pathetic. Sure, Singer didn't have the cash for it, but still... :snore:

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by MKCustodial
All right, all valid points. I guess since Magneto gave Stryker the info, it also justifies Mystique breaking in on the first one as well... But they REALLY need some Shiar technology there! :lol:

Oh, and how long will we have to wait for a glimpse of the Danger Room? Cause trading that for Cyke shooting discs on the first movie was pretty pathetic. Sure, Singer didn't have the cash for it, but still... :snore:

I still wonder why they hesitate in bringing in all the core X-men too. Beast should be a simple character to have (if not in hairy form). Angel is a major player in the comics (especially after his conversion to ArchAngel - which they did reference an Arachangel in the movie through Nightcrawler). Havoc and Gambit are both Mega star Mutants too in my book. I will admit there were a lot more mutants showcased in this movie, but still not enough actively participating mutants. The focus was mainly Wolverine and Nightcrawler. And if the rumors of a Wolverine movie are true, then spare the screen time for others.

 

[garyhoov]

I think you've got to be careful how many characters you cram into a film. The great thing about this franchise is that each film can focus on different sets of core characters and stay fresh for a long time.

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by garyhoov
I think you've got to be careful how many characters you cram into a film. The great thing about this franchise is that each film can focus on different sets of core characters and stay fresh for a long time.

Well, I agree on that. My point being that the majority of characters were the same. We had Magneto, Professor X, Storm, Jean, Wolverine, Rogue, and Mystique. Some I understand why they remain, but I think more than one major addition could have been seen. We basically get insight on Ice-man (from the first movie) and we have Nightcrawler added. I believe one or two more characters would not hurt (oops - I forgot about Pyro, so mark down one new villian) :lol: . Again, our focus could have been off Wolverine this time IF he is getting Movies of his own. I don't think it would have been too confusing to choose one more major character (like I named above) and add him in the mix throughout the movie. I didn't mean add them all at once of course.

 

[CrashNet]

Ok....pheonix this...phoenix that, dark pheonix this, dark pheonix that. Will someone please explain the pheonix thing and how jean grey becomes this? I mean, from what I'm reading, I can't tell whether or not the "dark" pheonix is an enemy or ally! :brick:

 

[MKCustodial]

Originally posted by cac2889
Ok....pheonix this...phoenix that, dark pheonix this, dark pheonix that. Will someone please explain the pheonix thing and how jean grey becomes this? I mean, from what I'm reading, I can't tell whether or not the "dark" pheonix is an enemy or ally! :brick:

Spidey, do you wanna tackle this mess? :lol:

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by cac2889
Ok....pheonix this...phoenix that, dark pheonix this, dark pheonix that. Will someone please explain the pheonix thing and how jean grey becomes this? I mean, from what I'm reading, I can't tell whether or not the "dark" pheonix is an enemy or ally! :brick:

I was going to post the comic history of the Phoenix, but it will totally confuse you, cause the movie story is so different and condensed. Basically the Phoenix is a Cosmic entity that needs a host to live. If you know the legend of a Phoenix, it is reborn through Death, so with Jean dying at the End, the Phoenix can now emerge through her body. The best advice is to wait for the movie to see how they pull this story off and just "know" that Jean Grey is about to get Extremly Powerful and should become a force to be stopped in the third movie. I'm not a die Hard X-men reader, so others may be able to tell you much more on Phoenix.

Basically you could tell the Phoenix was in Jean cause of the fire in her eyes. The flames on her hands before she died, and her Nightmares and the way she could unleash awesome power in the Dam but overall having trouble controlling her powers from day to day. When the Phoenix found her in the movies is anyones guess right now. The Mastermind story was way different. Mastermind is Jason (Strykers son btw).

 

[garyhoov]

Originally posted by spider-man
Well, I agree on that. My point being that the majority of characters were the same. We had Magneto, Professor X, Storm, Jean, Wolverine, Rogue, and Mystique. Some I understand why they remain, but I think more than one major addition could have been seen. We basically get insight on Ice-man (from the first movie) and we have Nightcrawler added. I believe one or two more characters would not hurt (oops - I forgot about Pyro, so mark down one new villian) :lol: . Again, our focus could have been off Wolverine this time IF he is getting Movies of his own. I don't think it would have been too confusing to choose one more major character (like I named above) and add him in the mix throughout the movie. I didn't mean add them all at once of course.

Yeah, I could have done with less of the main characters, but there probably would be a lot of people who only know the film (not the comics) who would be upset if they didn't get some of the familiar characters from the first film.

Personally, I could have done without Magneto (and Mystique) completely. I wouldn't have minded seeing them lay low until the next film. If they had taken out that sub-plot, they could have shown more of Colossus and maybe a few other characters.

They've got so much they could do, I hope someone, somewhere has a rough plan for the next ten films mapped out.

 

[MKCustodial]

Originally posted by spider-man
I was going to post the comic history of the Phoenix, but it will totally confuse you, cause the movie story is so different and condensed. Basically the Phoenix is a Cosmic entity that needs a host to live. If you know the legend of a Phoenix, it is reborn through Death, so with Jean dying at the End, the Phoenix can now emerge through her body. The best advice is to wait for the movie to see how they pull this story off and just "know" that Jean Grey is about to get Extremly Powerful and should become a force to be stopped in the third movie. I'm not a die Hard X-men reader, so others may be able to tell you much more on Phoenix.

Basically you could tell the Phoenix was in Jean cause of the fire in her eyes. The flames on her hands before she died, and her Nightmares and the way she could unleash awesome power in the Dam but overall having trouble controlling her powers from day to day. When the Phoenix found her in the movies is anyones guess right now. The Mastermind story was way different. Mastermind is Jason (Strykers son btw).

You actually covered it pretty well. In the comics, Jean was "possessed" by the Phoenix entity, and she kept fighting with the X-Men. But there was this desire to use her new powers more and more, to see what they could do. Kinda like they were building inside of her. So she would go and occasionally destroy an asteroid or something like that. WHen she destroyed a sun, in turn causing the death of a whole galaxy, they noticed something was wrong. Turned out the Phoenix force was new to human emotions, and she was kinda overwhelmed by it all. So the Dark Phoenix emerged. We're making it sound way more simple than it was. It was a storyline that ran for years in the comics, and I haven't read it all either so I don't have all the details. I too would like to know how Movie Jean got in touch with the Phoenix Force to begin with. But you can rest assured that, if the writers deliver a script as killer as X2, you're in for a real treat on X3. The X-Men, with a better roster than the movie's, had their hands full with the Phoenix... :lol: I like it best because Colossus was fundamental in the Phoenix's storyline, so he's bound to become a full character in X3. I also liked the detail of Jean "drowning" at the end of the movie. In the comics, the whole thing has a shuttle as background, but it ends up landing in the bay, so there's your connection. And it all leads up to a possible "coccoon" ending, you know what I'm saying, Spidey?

 

[EchoOfOphelia]

:lol: I knew I should've checked the boards earlier. I saw X2 Friday at midnight and MAN was it crowded Which is good.

But the movie was awesome, much better than even the first, I think.
Nightcrawler was GREAT!!!
I agree with all of you about Halle Berry as storm, she needs replacing... although I like the idea of beating her with her own Oscar too :lol:
The development of some of the lesser explored characters from the first one was good. Rogue was far less annoying in this movie (though I still think she was cast wrong), and Iceman and Pyro were great!
We do see Hank McCoy on the television news show for just a second, but I didn't get my promised glimpse of Gambit!!! I saw his name (Remy LeBeau) on the computer screen Mystique was using for just a split second, but that was it! Did I miss it or something???
Oh and I resent the fact that someone said Xavier was just a bald guy, Patrick Stewert has such amazing screen presence. I'm biased, but that's okay.

I had to explain so much to Kevin (my fiance) after the movie was finished and I don't think that he could appreciate it as much as I did because he didn't know a lot of the little things like I did (i.e. the Phoenix metamorphsis).

I for one, hope the sentinels will be in a future movie. I think they will only appear after some sort of majorly agressive government action is taken against the mutants.

Anyway, great flick!:sohappy:

 

[MKCustodial]

Originally posted by garyhoov
Yeah, I could have done with less of the main characters, but there probably would be a lot of people who only know the film (not the comics) who would be upset if they didn't get some of the familiar characters from the first film.

Personally, I could have done without Magneto (and Mystique) completely. I wouldn't have minded seeing them lay low until the next film. If they had taken out that sub-plot, they could have shown more of Colossus and maybe a few other characters.

They've got so much they could do, I hope someone, somewhere has a rough plan for the next ten films mapped out.

Agreed. But they had to get the naked woman again to attract the "comics are for geeks" male crowd.

I was hoping Sabretooth would come back so they could make his character better, and even tie him to Stryker and Weapon X. I mean, Yuriko was cool in a way, but I kept waiting for her arms to stretch out and we never had the "I want the adamantium in your bones that was the work of my father" thing... Sure, messy, but still...

 

[WDWspider]

I think Fox could easily spawn X-factor as a seperate movie. Even New Mutants on down the line. Heck that's why there are so many "X" comic titles, there are too many characters to keep up with... However I feel that Sentinnels are inevitable if the movies continue. Anything beyond that story gets major character involvement. Cause unlike Spider-man (or any solo hero) where you need a force stronger than the one, in X-men (or other group hero teams) you come up with Villians who are greater than all the people combined. In other words... it can get complicated fast, and other than the destroy all civilization as we know it stories (as in X-men and X2), you could only pull off one or two more basic Villian objectives before you get into too many individual storylines to keep up with in two hours. Does this make sense at all? I think I started out trying to make a point.

 

[WDWspider]

Normally I would post this in the Comic news and rumors, but since it pertains to Jean, and kinda backs up the Phoenix thing I thought I'd post it here:

X3: Famke Janssen talked with The Toronto Sun and revealed a solid commitment to return in some capacity in a third "X-Men" flick - "I have a firm commitment to the X-Men movies. They are my priority. I've signed for a third. If, and when, it happens I'll arrange my schedule around it...I have no idea where the writers will go with Jean's story, but there are some great possibilities and ones I'd really like to explore". Meanwhile E! Online reports that ex-footballer Daniel Cudmore (Colossus) has also signed for the next film, however according to The Calgary Sun Director Bryan Singer isn't so sure - "I would definitely be involved in some capacity on a third X-Men film because I love the franchise and I love the cast, but I don't necessarily see myself having to direct it...I have purposely incorporated things into X2 and have ideas that would lend themselves to future pictures, but certain circumstances would have to be appropriated because I really want to do a few small pictures before I tackle another big, special-effects movie". Already a first weekend of May 2006 release has been targeted.

 

[MKCustodial]

That's what kills me. WHen they start with the "I wanna come back, but I have to think about it", you just know they want more cash. Isn't the incredible popularity that comes with a project like this worth it?

On that note, that's why I still think someone should impale Halle Berry with her freakin' Oscar. :drevil:

 

[MKCustodial]

For those of you who want to know a bit more before X3, here's a little insight on the whole mess the we affectionally call the "Phoenix Saga". Now, this was written by John Byrne, one of the creators of the whole thing, and you can see he still holds a grudge for losing his job on a title that really wasn't supposed to exist in the first place (X-Men: Hidden Years), but bear with him and you'll find details on this good storyline.

http://www.slushfactory.com/content/EpuyFFVEkAlbRiTbIM.php

 

[GaryT977]

Was it just me, or was Magneto much more frightening this time? That escape scene floored me! Up to that point in the movie he seemed totally defeated, but when that guard came in with the metal in his butt, it seemed like a switch had been thrown.

I also thought Mystique was amazing. She just about stole every scene she was in.

As far as the characters that were there, they were needed to continue the story line from the first movie. And Magneto was needed to stop Xavier from destroying the mutants. I think by showing how many mutants there are using Cerebro, they are now free to introduce as many as they like in the future.

My only complaint: Whiny Pyro reminded me of Anakin in Attack of the Clones a little too much...

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by GaryT977

As far as the characters that were there, they were needed to continue the story line from the first movie. And Magneto was needed to stop Xavier from destroying the mutants. I think by showing how many mutants there are using Cerebro, they are now free to introduce as many as they like in the future.

Only ones you needed were Magneto, Mystique, Prodfessor X, and Jean. Rogue did very little for the movie this time, and Ice-man and Pyro were not much use either. Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, and the rest were not necessary, but helped out certain situations. Wolverine did have some storyline going on the side though. Magneto was only needed based on the story the movie presented though.

 

[DisneyJedi]

I wanted Rogue and Iceman to leave the jet with Pyro and go do some stuff.

It seemed more logical to me for iceman to freeze a thick wall around the jet to prevent the flood, Jean to impart takeoff of the jet and nightcrawler to teleport all their butts out of harms impending way. Jean would still be alive then.

 

[garyhoov]

Originally posted by GaryT977
Was it just me, or was Magneto much more frightening this time? That escape scene floored me! Up to that point in the movie he seemed totally defeated, but when that guard came in with the metal in his butt, it seemed like a switch had been thrown.

That was a cool scene! (but I would say he demonstrated that he was pretty tough in the first episode with the whole train/police scene.

Originally posted by GaryT977

I also thought Mystique was amazing. She just about stole every scene she was in.

One of the things that I loved in the book, that they didn't really mention in the movie was the morning after Mystique tried to seduce Wolverine, she gave him a look that made him wonder if she might have tried to do the same thing with Jean in reverse . . . and maybe she hadn't caught on.


As for the whole Pheonix thing, that sort of annoyed me. My son asked me if I thought she was really dead, and I told him death in these things is only a temporary inconvenience. That whole concept takes away some of the intensity of what would otherwise be very moving moments and scenes.

 

[MKCustodial]

Originally posted by DisneyJedi
I wanted Rogue and Iceman to leave the jet with Pyro and go do some stuff.

I was glad they already shoved Pyro to the other side. I hate when they try to overdevelop established characters, like they do all the time on X-Men Evolution.

As for Rogue... Seriously, what did yo expect her to do? She flew the Blackbird and almost had a coronary. The comics Rogue is a WONDERFUL character, "Marie" on the other hand is a whiny brat with no real use. Up untill I saw the movie, I kept hoping that it'd start with them coming back from some mission and dealing with a fallen Rogue that absorbed too much of some super-powered mutant. All they had to do was start mid-way through something, just so she could get her super-strength and flying abbilities some way.