Would the TTA work on a larger scale?

[Figment632]

I was watching the Modern Marvels on WDW for like the one millionth time yesterday and when they talk about the TTA they say how efficent the technology is. If this is true why couldn't this help solve some of WDW transportation problems?

Could it ever work on a scale like conecting MK to AK or the resorts to the Parks?

I don't know but it seems like it would be a lot cheaper than extending the monorail.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

It would definitely be cheaper than extending the monorail, but it wouldn't be cheaper or more efficient than the current system. As nice as a monorail or TTA like system would be to wisk us across property, it just doesn't make sense. In terms of efficiency, you can't beat the bus system. If a monorail or TTA vehicle were to break down that would shut down the entire line causing a lot of headaches. When a bus breaks down they just replace it with almost no affect to the system. Sure I like the idea of something more environmentally friendly, but sometimes practically has to win out.

 

[rsoxguy]

Also, how many people could you realistically transport within a reasonable amount of time with that type of system? The monorails hold a lot of people.

 

[marni1971]

Yep. It was designed to be installed all over WDW to compliment the monorail. With a reliablility of over 99% when maintained no wonder! It was installed at Houston airport in 1981.

Try a thread search for WEDway and expansion, Lake Buene Vista, Communicore etc.

I`m not starting ANOTHER monorail thread, but the bus service and road network is getting worse and TDO know it. It`s only a matter of time. A long time maybe.

 

[Figment632]

Also, how many people could you realistically transport within a reasonable amount of time with that type of system? The monorails hold a lot of people.

You would have to make the cars longer I see no problem making the cars ad long as a monorail. Then make them travel faster which should be easy and if you eclose them I think it could work.

 

[cloudboy]

What do you mean by "TTA like system"? Are you talking about a pod system, a LIM system, or a LIM driven pod system?

Houston Intercontinental had a version of the WEDway to serve it's terminals. There are not a lot of pod-like systems out there, although there are a number of people movers (such as, well Orlando International). There are also lots of LIM driven systems. Vancouver's skytrain is, for instance, driven by LIMs, very much like the TTA.

 

[Mr Bill]

It would definitely be cheaper than extending the monorail, but it wouldn't be cheaper or more efficient than the current system. As nice as a monorail or TTA like system would be to wisk us across property, it just doesn't make sense. In terms of efficiency, you can't beat the bus system. If a monorail or TTA vehicle were to break down that would shut down the entire line causing a lot of headaches. When a bus breaks down they just replace it with almost no affect to the system. Sure I like the idea of something more environmentally friendly, but sometimes practically has to win out.

Can a TTA vehicle break down? :veryconfu

 

[Rob562]

Can a TTA vehicle break down? :veryconfu

The only way that a TTA train could break down is to have a mechanical probelm with a wheel. Those are the only moving parts in the system.

I also believe I've heard the figure before that 25% of the LIMs can break down and the TTA would still operate (presuming all 25% aren't in one place) That figure may have been for the original Peoplemover in Disneyland, but even though they're different propulsion methods I don't see why the TTA would be any different.

A WEDWay Peoplemover would be a great system to install on property. They'd just have to figure out how to work in an off-line loading station for handicap/wheelchair Guests.

-Rob

 

[disneydata]

The only way that a TTA train could break down is to have a mechanical probelm with a wheel. Those are the only moving parts in the system.

I also believe I've heard the figure before that 25% of the LIMs can break down and the TTA would still operate (presuming all 25% aren't in one place) That figure may have been for the original Peoplemover in Disneyland, but even though they're different propulsion methods I don't see why the TTA would be any different.

A WEDWay Peoplemover would be a great system to install on property. They'd just have to figure out how to work in an off-line loading station for handicap/wheelchair Guests.

-Rob

The figure I was told by a CM who worked there was 1/3 (33%) could break down and there would still be enough force to operate.

 

[Tom]

The figure I was told by a CM who worked there was 1/3 (33%) could break down and there would still be enough force to operate.

The magnets could be wired so that circuits fed series consisting of every third magnet. That way if one circuit fails, two between each failed magnet still propel the train.

This is similar to the way the Spectro float lights are wired. They're not in a true series, but wired so that every 3rd or 4th bulb is wired in series, so that if a bulb goes out - causing the inevitable failure of several more bulbs on that wire - only 25% of the lights go out, thus not ruining the show for the time being.

Back on topic, any track-based form of mass transit built anywhere from this day forward should not be without pull-offs for stations. The biggest problem with the efficiency of the monorail system (specifically the resort loop) is that you're always waiting for traffic clearance. It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 4 trains on the loop, we sat mid-beam on every trip around the lagoon 2 weeks ago.

If you're going to pretend to be a mass transit system, then you need to really act like one. Subways can operate on a linear system because each train stops for X amount of time, opens the doors just long enough to exchange passengers, closes the doors and speeds off.

I understand that we're at a family park where people aren't used to fending for themselves, but if the monorail stations worked like Chicago's subway stations, they could empty the park after Wishes in 20 minutes, using just the monorail.

 

[Figment632]

What do you mean by "TTA like system"? Are you talking about a pod system, a LIM system, or a LIM driven pod system?

Houston Intercontinental had a version of the WEDway to serve it's terminals. There are not a lot of pod-like systems out there, although there are a number of people movers (such as, well Orlando International). There are also lots of LIM driven systems. Vancouver's skytrain is, for instance, driven by LIMs, very much like the TTA.

No I'm talking about taking the TTA from TL and expanding it fir serious transprtation.

 

[devoy1701]

Also, how many people could you realistically transport within a reasonable amount of time with that type of system? The monorails hold a lot of people.

It would definitely be cheaper than extending the monorail, but it wouldn't be cheaper or more efficient than the current system. As nice as a monorail or TTA like system would be to wisk us across property, it just doesn't make sense. In terms of efficiency, you can't beat the bus system. If a monorail or TTA vehicle were to break down that would shut down the entire line causing a lot of headaches. When a bus breaks down they just replace it with almost no affect to the system. Sure I like the idea of something more environmentally friendly, but sometimes practically has to win out.

Why would be be so much cheaper? The footings/pylons/track is the most expensive part of expanding the monorail and all of that would still be needed to make a resort-wide PeopleMover system...granted, the pylons would not have to be as big, but the track would have to be wider.

If they're going to go in, they should just go all in and expand the monorail. It holds more people, it can probably travel faster, and is probably easier to maintain and store. But I don't think they're going to play this hand at all...

 

[joel_maxwell]

Yep. It was designed to be installed all over WDW to compliment the monorail. With a reliablility of over 99% when maintained no wonder! It was installed at Houston airport in 1981.

Try a thread search for WEDway and expansion, Lake Buene Vista, Communicore etc.

I`m not starting ANOTHER monorail thread, but the bus service and road network is getting worse and TDO know it. It`s only a matter of time. A long time maybe.

A transportation systems doesnt sell tickets either. So, I cant see TDO implementing such a system until the current systems start effecting ticket sales in a negative way.

I know we would all like it though. :animwink:

 

[Fade_to_Blah]

Maybe it would work to get around a single park...but I think all of WDW would be a bit much....

 

[Master Yoda]

A transportation systems doesnt sell tickets either. So, I cant see TDO implementing such a system until the current systems start effecting ticket sales in a negative way.

I know we would all like it though. :animwink:

I agree 100% Disney is not going to do something just because they can. There must be some sort of return on their investment. Trust me if a reliable study showed them that they could eliminate the buses, increase guest transportation efficiency and the key thing increase their profit margin by adding a TTA system or expanding the monorail they would start building it tomorrow. Until that day happens or a sponsor shows up willing to pick up the check don't count on seeing it.

 

[joel_maxwell]

I agree 100% Disney is not going to do something just because they can. There must be some sort of return on their investment. Trust me if a reliable study showed them that they could eliminate the buses, increase guest transportation efficiency and the key thing increase their profit margin by adding a TTA system or expanding the monorail they would start building it tomorrow. Until that day happens or a sponsor shows up willing to pick up the check don't count on seeing it.

Or, in reverse mode... if a study came out and said that guest stayed off property so they didnt have to deal with the disney transit system OR an extreme situation were a study showed that people were traveling less to Disney because it was getting to big and inadequate transit, we might see reform.

So i guess we are stuck with inaccurate rumor spreading bus drivers.

 

[Figment632]

Or, in reverse mode... if a study came out and said that guest stayed off property so they didnt have to deal with the disney transit system OR an extreme situation were a study showed that people were traveling less to Disney because it was getting to big and inadequate transit, we might see reform.

So i guess we are stuck with inaccurate rumor spreading bus drivers.

Disney employee "look there must be 200 people on line for all star music we should send a bus"

Guy in white van "No way there's at least 7 people on line for the boardwalk send the bus there we can't let our deluxe guests wait any longer"

45 minutes later a bus arrives for All Star Music and the line has doubled.

This just about sums up my experience with the busses year after year!

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

Yep. It was designed to be installed all over WDW to compliment the monorail. With a reliablility of over 99% when maintained no wonder! It was installed at Houston airport in 1981.

Someone told me that Bombardier also built one in Washington D.C. after they bought it from Disney.

A transportation systems doesnt sell tickets either. So, I cant see TDO implementing such a system until the current systems start effecting ticket sales in a negative way.

There's no reason they couldn't sell tickets for a new system. As we all know, you used to have to have a transportation ticket to board the Monorail for Walt Disney World's first 15-20 years.

 

[joel_maxwell]

Someone told me that Bombardier also built one in Washington D.C. after they bought it from Disney.



There's no reason they couldn't sell tickets for a new system. As we all know, you used to have to have a transportation ticket to board the Monorail for Walt Disney World's first 15-20 years.

Make it an add-on like the Water Park feature of park hopper tickets.

I like it. That might free up some congestion in the free transit. You know there is always going to be people that will pay more just to ride something that does just as effective job as the freebie stuff, it might just take longer.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

Make it an add-on like the Water Park feature of park hopper tickets.

I like it. That might free up some congestion in the free transit. You know there is always going to be people that will pay more just to ride something that does just as effective job as the freebie stuff, it might just take longer.

Well, I'm not positive, but I think the transportation ticket used to come with your park and A-E tickets as a surcharge, so everyone would get one automatically and still be paying for it. You can sell it now so that you could just buy what you need for the day, or unlimited access. I wouldn't run the new system as well as still run the buses on a permanent basis, but that would be a good way to phase out the buses after a time.