Would have done it differently

Hi guys. Just back from a 2 week stay. I'm not going to give a blow-by-blow account of our trip, but I would like to tell you about some of the problems we encountered.
I have always been in favor of staying off-property if it means a longer stay. I still believe this can work, but you have to shop carefully for accommodations and shuttle service. We got a great deal on a hotel that advertised 15 minutes from Disney and free shuttle service to the parks. Technically true, but the shuttle stops at several other hotels and the trip can take anywhere from one hour to two hours. Our personal experience with this was a nightmare.
Which leads to this warning: Do not stay at any motel or hotel on W. Irlo Bronson in Kissimmee that uses the Caribbean Island Shuttle service or the Florida Sunrise Shuttle service! (They changed their name mid-trip!) The buses on this line are so decrepit, we actually had to call the Orange County Sheriff once we got to the TTC one morning to report that our bus shook so badly on the trip over that all of us on board feared for our safety. The bus was taken out of service. The Sheriff told us that this shuttle service is the worst out there, but we already knew that. On several occasions the bus was anywhere from 40 minutes to an hour late. Once, when my dh called from his cell phone to find out what the problem was, the manager just said there was a problem, the bus would get there eventually and was not at all apologetic. When dh called back 10 minutes later after the bus had still not arrived, the manager would not even answer the phone! Repeated calls and the phone just rang and rang.
Unbelievably, if you got the 6:00Pm shuttle from the TTC it made an unexplainable stop at AK. None of the hotels on the shuttle route had a scheduled pick-up at Ak, no one was ever waiting at AK for this shuttle since AK closes at 5:00PM, in fact, no one was anywhere to be seen in the parking lot! Still, 6:00 pm shuttle stopped there every time!
On another occasion, on the way back from the parks one night, the bus was so jammed that people were sitting on the front steps and had to get off and on to allow people to exit! To make matters worse, the driver was notified that he had left a stroller in the parking lane at Epcot and we had to return to get it, making for a 2 hour plus trip back to the hotel that night. This shuttle service is unbelievably unreliable and even dangerous. Avoid it at all costs!

Now the hotel. We stayed at the Sleep Inn on W. Irlo Bronson. (It also changed its named mid-trip to the Ambiance!) Our first room was very small, with only 3 drawers to store clothing. On the morning of the hurricane, rain came through the front wall and soaked the carpeting, our luggage and the clothing that we had to stack on shelves due to lack of drawer space. We were told later that day that we would have to change rooms. Now we know that hurricanes are an unavoidable occurance, but management was unbelievably unhelpful. We were told to change rooms, were offered no help whatsoever while doing so, and haggled for a little retribution. We finally got them to agree to lift the $10.00 fee for storing our luggage on the day of check-out since we weren't leaving till the evening. We asked for this after telling them we had to wash clothing as a result of the water seepage. They agreed after much rudeness such as "Just how much clothing do you have?" When I replied that it wasn't the amount of clothing so much as the amount of time it took to dry it, I was told that maybe it wouldn't take so long to dry if I didn't overload the machine. To which I replied that when only one dryer is working, one has to put more clothing in than normal to save on cost and to allow others to use the one machine. Unbelievable aggravation for $10.00!!!
We spoke to a young couple from Canada who were on their honeymoon and also had to change rooms due to unclean conditions unrelated to the storm. They told us that management was very unaccommodating and didn't care at all that this was their honyemoon.
One morning while waiting for the shuttle, which was, of course, late, we witnessed a scene in the lobby when the Sheriff came to take a report of a theft from one of the rooms. Once again, management was very uncaring.
DH was accused of making his own scene in the lobby while waiting for the once again 40-minutre late shuttle. He complained to management about the terrible service. They told him that there were "circumstances" and that we could check out if we didn't like it! What happened to hospitality?! We can hardly believe the coldness of the management of this hotel.

The horrible transportation cut into our trip so much, that we seriously feel that we will budget future trips to stay on property, even if it means a shorter stay. Learn from our mistakes and, if you are staying off-site, rent a car or make sure your hotel has its own shuttle.

Now, after all this being said, I would just like to add that all things Disney related on this trip were just as we expected . . .wonderful! I would still call this a good trip because the ten days we spent in the parks were as magical as we hoped them to be. MNSSHP was great and I have a new favorite ride...Soarin'! It is just the coolest! We rode it as often as possible. We met some wonderful people, ate some great food and celebrated our 32nd Anniversary in true Disney style. It was a great trip that could have been even better.

One last thing. Our trip got off to a bad start from a usually reliable source...Mears. Our shuttle from the airport left 20 minutes after our plane landed and got us to our hotel . . . 3 unbelievable hours later! Our driver not only didn't know where he was taking the four parties on our shuttle, he kept asking us if we knew how to get to our hotels! After many stops for directions, and much aggravation, our hotel was finally his last drop-off. After 2 days and several phone calls from dh Mears gave us retribution in a nice ride back to the airport in a Lincoln Towncar. At least they acknowledged their mistakes and righted their wrong.

Well that's it. We learned a lot and, hopefully, we helped other people on this forum to plan better than we did.
 

mkt

Disney's Favorite Scumbag™
Premium Member
You should still be able to dispute the charge on your credit card. You didn't receive the services you paid for... that's your dispute.
 

Uponastar

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Original Poster
Thanks everyone for your input and support!
Rob, we're looking into the credit card aspect. You especially have been a great source of information. You should start your own travel agency. Thanks again!
 

Uponastar

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mkt said:
nah... I'm more of a consumer watch sort of guy.. lol

Yeah, I think you may have found your life's calling. This is one consumer who certainly is glad you're out there watching. :kiss:
 

wdwishes2005

New Member
Thats ok, we had a bus driver that i am SURE was illegal and could not drive. talk about scary...... he literally came feet from sending the shuttle into a lake, Hitting other cars ect. and didn't speak a word of english. plus the waiting hours for the bus. Lesson learned, we have not stayed anywhere off property since.
 

mkt

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Premium Member
Uponastar said:
Yeah, I think you may have found your life's calling. This is one consumer who certainly is glad you're out there watching. :kiss:

About a month ago I called the news on a gas station that was advertising $2.69 on their sign, but the pump price was $2.99 :cool:
 

bgraham34

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Sorry to hear that. Thats why I stay onsite no matter what the cost. I just dont want to be hassled. You will love to be onsite you really get to feel the magic.
 

Uponastar

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bgraham34 said:
Sorry to hear that. Thats why I stay onsite no matter what the cost. I just dont want to be hassled. You will love to be onsite you really get to feel the magic.

We have stayed on-site and I do agree it is the best choice without question. We have stayed off-site when we wanted a longer stay and could only do so if we stayed at a cheaper hotel. This can work. But getting all the chips to fall where they are supposed to can be a real trial. I just don't want that hassle anymore. :mad:
Like I said, future trips will be on-site, even if the stays are shorter and the time between trips is longer. At least I know we'll have a nice room, dependable service and reliable transportation. :)

Thanks, bgraham, for your response.
 

mayrag

New Member
So sorry for your experience. We have stayed off property, but we have always rented a car. We have always thought that what you explained would happened to us, so we always rent a car for our transportation. Although we have never had any negative experiences in the hotels we've stayed.
 

Dragonrider1227

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sucks that off property was so much trouble. And the hotel people wonder why everyone stays ON property. >_> We stayed on property. Mainly 'cause we liked the idea of doing Disney all the way (that didn't sound right. :lookaroun ) but that gives us more reason to keep doing it.
 

RalphieN

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I know most people prefer on-site but to be honest, the last time we stayed on-site, we were very dissatisfied with transportation as well. (maybe not as bad as what you dealt with but bad enough that we got a rental car to use instead). Now, I'm considering The Grosvenor as being "on-site" since it is on Disney property and uses Disney transportation. But when the bus pulled up in front of the hotel each morning, it was already full so we'd wait for another one and it would be full, and so on and so forth. One morning, my wife and two youngest children got on one bus and my two older daughters and I got on another because we couldn't all fit on the same one. Then the return trips were just as awful because the bus would stop at several hotels before ours and the trips took forever. After three days of this, I emptied my pocket and rented a car.

Since then, we have rented a house (literally 5 minutes) outside of Disney instead and would never go back to a hotel (at least not while the kids are with us). We can afford 3 to 4 times more space with a kitchen, private pool and laundry room, a rental car, and 10 days rather than 7 for less money than it cost us to stay on property. Maybe I'm crazy but there just isn't enough Disney magic to beat that.
 

Uponastar

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RalphieN said:
I know most people prefer on-site but to be honest, the last time we stayed on-site, we were very dissatisfied with transportation as well. (maybe not as bad as what you dealt with but bad enough that we got a rental car to use instead). Now, I'm considering The Grosvenor as being "on-site" since it is on Disney property and uses Disney transportation. But when the bus pulled up in front of the hotel each morning, it was already full so we'd wait for another one and it would be full, and so on and so forth. One morning, my wife and two youngest children got on one bus and my two older daughters and I got on another because we couldn't all fit on the same one. Then the return trips were just as awful because the bus would stop at several hotels before ours and the trips took forever. After three days of this, I emptied my pocket and rented a car.

Since then, we have rented a house (literally 5 minutes) outside of Disney instead and would never go back to a hotel (at least not while the kids are with us). We can afford 3 to 4 times more space with a kitchen, private pool and laundry room, a rental car, and 10 days rather than 7 for less money than it cost us to stay on property. Maybe I'm crazy but there just isn't enough Disney magic to beat that.

Glad that you found something that works for you, Ralphie. That's what it all comes down to. Although I'm sure not even Disney has perfected the bus transportation system, I know they can beat what I experienced off-site. We've stayed at all three of the All Star Resorts and had no major problems with the busses. After our off-site experience, we plan on returning to one of the value resorts next trip. It's what works for us.

Thanks Ralphie, Dragonrider and mayrag for your input! :wave:

wdwishes - That sounds exactly like our bus driver.
 

Debbie

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mkt said:
You should still be able to dispute the charge on your credit card. You didn't receive the services you paid for... that's your dispute.

I'm just catching up with this thread. I'm really interested to find out the credit card companies reply...........
Is this hotel near the corner of Irlo Bronson and 535? and it has a lake behind it? If this is it; in the 80's it used to be the Travelodge Golden Triangle.
Dot, I hope you get some satisfaction from this situation. Also, would writing the FLA Dept of Trans, help? or perhaps the Attorney General? Whomever issues the licenses and permits for the transportation part of this fiasco should be reported. Problem is, it will probably take a tragedy to get that funky bus service off the road.
 

Uponastar

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Debbie, thanks for your input. We didn't have any success with our credit card company. They simply told us our dispute was with the hotel and we should take our complaints to them!!!
I'm not sure if this is the same hotel your speaking of, but I think it may be.
As far as pursuing this further, we are not doing that, at this point. The whole process is just so discouraging. The Orange County Sheriffs Department is fully aware of the bus company's problems. On the morning we reported the dangerous bus, the sheriff who responded pulled out a whole stack of reports on this company. What does it take to put them out of business!
At this stage of the game, I feel that by starting this thread, and making people aware of the situation, I am at least stopping some people from staying at the hotel in question, and more importantly, from staying at any hotel that uses that bus company. That is really what I want to do.

Replies, like yours Debbie, keep this thread alive. Maybe right now someone who is planning a trip is reading this and rethinking a hotel choice. I hope so.

Thanks again Debbie!
 

mkt

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Premium Member
hmm... I've disputed similar things. I told them that "I didn't receive what I paid for and the merchant is refusing to assist me."

That worked for me... who is your CC issuer?
 

Nicole

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RalphieN said:
I know most people prefer on-site but to be honest, the last time we stayed on-site, we were very dissatisfied with transportation as well. (maybe not as bad as what you dealt with but bad enough that we got a rental car to use instead). Now, I'm considering The Grosvenor as being "on-site" since it is on Disney property and uses Disney transportation. But when the bus pulled up in front of the hotel each morning, it was already full so we'd wait for another one and it would be full, and so on and so forth. One morning, my wife and two youngest children got on one bus and my two older daughters and I got on another because we couldn't all fit on the same one. Then the return trips were just as awful because the bus would stop at several hotels before ours and the trips took forever. After three days of this, I emptied my pocket and rented a car.

Since then, we have rented a house (literally 5 minutes) outside of Disney instead and would never go back to a hotel (at least not while the kids are with us). We can afford 3 to 4 times more space with a kitchen, private pool and laundry room, a rental car, and 10 days rather than 7 for less money than it cost us to stay on property. Maybe I'm crazy but there just isn't enough Disney magic to beat that.

This is just my opinion but I don't consider the DTD hotels (including the Grosvenor) to be Disney hotels. The Unofficial Guide says their transportation is not run by Disney, and the hotels aren't owned or run by Disney.

But I also think there is nothing that beats the convenience of having your own vehicle. Mass transit is mass transit, even at Disney.
 

Debbie

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Uponastar said:
Debbie, thanks for your input. We didn't have any success with our credit card company. They simply told us our dispute was with the hotel and we should take our complaints to them!!!
I'm not sure if this is the same hotel your speaking of, but I think it may be.
As far as pursuing this further, we are not doing that, at this point. The whole process is just so discouraging. The Orange County Sheriffs Department is fully aware of the bus company's problems. On the morning we reported the dangerous bus, the sheriff who responded pulled out a whole stack of reports on this company. What does it take to put them out of business!
At this stage of the game, I feel that by starting this thread, and making people aware of the situation, I am at least stopping some people from staying at the hotel in question, and more importantly, from staying at any hotel that uses that bus company. That is really what I want to do.

Replies, like yours Debbie, keep this thread alive. Maybe right now someone who is planning a trip is reading this and rethinking a hotel choice. I hope so.

Thanks again Debbie!


I would definitely follow up with what Rob (MKT) said. Sometimes persistence and patience will pay off. I know that had I placed that on a credit card; I'd cringe every time I looked at the statement.
It's scary to think that innocent people could get hurt but the possibility is very real. Here, in New Orleans, on Mother's Day a few years ago; a bus carrying elderly people to an outing for the day crashed when the driver passed out. This man was older himself, suffered from diabetes, blood pressure, etc. Many were killed.......the scene was gruesome. This man's health issues should have prevented him from being in this line of work because he could have never passed a physical at the time of the crash (not because of diabetes, etc, just the fact he did not feel well when he reported to work).
Hearing that insurance claims with this company are never settled to the satisfaction of the injured party; and that this company is well known (negatively) to the Sheriff's Office, disturbs me. Why hasn't anyone with the authority to revoke permits and licensing stepped in?
 

wdwishes2005

New Member
Debbie said:
I would definitely follow up with what Rob (MKT) said. Sometimes persistence and patience will pay off. I know that had I placed that on a credit card; I'd cringe every time I looked at the statement.
It's scary to think that innocent people could get hurt but the possibility is very real. Here, in New Orleans, on Mother's Day a few years ago; a bus carrying elderly people to an outing for the day crashed when the driver passed out. This man was older himself, suffered from diabetes, blood pressure, etc. Many were killed.......the scene was gruesome. This man's health issues should have prevented him from being in this line of work because he could have never passed a physical at the time of the crash (not because of diabetes, etc, just the fact he did not feel well when he reported to work).
Hearing that insurance claims with this company are never settled to the satisfaction of the injured party; and that this company is well known (negatively) to the Sheriff's Office, disturbs me. Why hasn't anyone with the authority to revoke permits and licensing stepped in?
Great points. I sure hope you were not using the same busses we were.... maybe you got our driver from hell.....
 

Uponastar

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Original Poster
Thanks guys for continuing to post here! I am still working on the credit card issue.
Please, please, please continue to tell everyone you know who may be planning a trip to read this thread. It is important to stop people from making my mistakes.
Debbie, your posts make the chilling point that an accident is just waiting to happen on this bus line. Readers please, if you are planning to stay off-site, CHECK OUT THE BUS SHUTTLE SERVICE before making your reservations. Your safety may depend on it!!!
 

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