Workers want pay boost

[Belowthesurface]

So you are saying that $10,000 to $15,000 is taken out of there check and there take home pay is about $20,000?

No, if front line Cast work 6 days every week, they can make up to $30-35,000. If they just work 40 hours--5 days a week-- and maybe some occasional overtime, they'd probably make between $20-23,000.

Working 6 days as a front line Cast Member is brutal, but a lot of people do it.

 

[Belowthesurface]

I know I would make sure I could support my family before making a change like that. With Disney there are opportunities all over the place for advancement. Folks who start out as a front like CM and then stay there for 30 years have no right to complain because they had plenty of opportunity to advance. This is all my opinion from experience, but I think I have some good points.

There are plenty of opportunities, but many of them are LATERAL.

You are right about the low cost of living in Florida, but who wants to live with room mates for the rest of their lives?

 

[crazynakedguy]

Yeah here's the thing the Disney employees aren't the same as say Wallmart or Target. They work hard and have great customer service skills. They deserve a raise

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Hakunamatata............all you said is true............................but.................as much as a employee should give his or her job the most they can and do it right..........the Company should reward and support there employees in the same way.

As you pointed out whether its pay or *engagement or interaction*, I'll add loyally. That is a big problem today, in recnet years companies drop employees just to make the next quarter look good, not thinking at the long term. Now its biting them back, because the employee don't trust or have the loyally to the companies anymore.

Moving job off shore is also now starting to bite Companies. Americans are finally noticing the loss of jobs and are starting to buy *made in the USA*.

Not to mentions the foreign companies stealing intellectual properties, patents and rights and there is little the companies can do to stop it.

I cannot begin to tale you how many times in the last 10 years I hear form companies that are trying to save their properties and patents, etc by bringing the work back to the USA.


AKK

 

[Matt_Black]

Moving job off shore is also now starting to bite Companies. Americans are finally noticing the loss of jobs and are starting to buy *made in the USA*.

Many big companies are in fact using American labor again. The downside is that a lot of that is prison labor which costs a fraction of what it would to pay a regular employee.

 

[ford91exploder]

Hakunamatata............all you said is true............................but.................as much as a employee should give his or her job the most they can and do it right..........the Company should reward and support there employees in the same way.

As you pointed out whether its pay or *engagement or interaction*, I'll add loyally. That is a big problem today, in recnet years companies drop employees just to make the next quarter look good, not thinking at the long term. Now its biting them back, because the employee don't trust or have the loyally to the companies anymore.

Moving job off shore is also now starting to bite Companies. Americans are finally noticing the loss of jobs and are starting to buy *made in the USA*.

Not to mentions the foreign companies stealing intellectual properties, patents and rights and there is little the companies can do to stop it.

I cannot begin to tale you how many times in the last 10 years I hear form companies that are trying to save their properties and patents, etc by bringing the work back to the USA.


AKK

Perhaps take a page from Henry Ford who was certainly no socialist who doubled his worker's pay so they could afford to BUY the cars they were producing, Ford realized that economics was a system, What we see today in US based corporate behavior is the ultimate expression of the ME generation, What can I get to hell with everyone else around me.

The US needs a serious discussion on wages and taxes, Corporate taxes are too high, taxes on earned income are too high, Taxes on unearned income are too low, We should have low taxes on money which is directly invested in productive activities (read IPO, VC and Bonds) much higher taxes on the casino which is the stock exchange.

We also need a serious discussion on the minimum wage, Which should be set at the state not the federal level as the economics of a rural area are quite different from a big city.

The Mickey D's workers who want 15/HR it's problematic as I am aware of several groups who are working on automated burger production systems, We need a discussion on employment policy in the US because for the first time in history we can eliminate human labor from large sectors of economic activity, This also means we can no longer afford to import large numbers of unskilled workers into the country,

We do need immigration reform but it should probably be along the lines of Canada and the ANZAC countries where you are graded on a point scale and if you have a job offer AND exceed the points required THEN you are allowed to immigrate 'feel good' immigration policies benefit a select few - none of which is the immigrant themselves.

In China already there are automated noodle chefs which cost $2000 US

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/noodle-making-robots-china_n_1812202.html

The US needs to stop looking at businesses as the 'golden geese' to fund utopian dreams at the SAME time it needs to wean businesses from the corporate welfare teat the canonical example is Wal-Mart where many full time employees are eligible for welfare benefits. For situations like this there probably ought to be a surtax applied which 'claws back' the assistance paid if more than a small percentage of employees are on public assistance.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Many big companies are in fact using American labor again. The downside is that a lot of that is prison labor which costs a fraction of what it would to pay a regular employee.

All true, those programs are also *supposed* to be educational job training for when get out. How true that is, I don't know.

I do know of various companies that have built new manufacturing lines or brought lines back to the States because of problems over seas.

One that I love is a 1950's spiral note book line that was shipped to China. 18 months later I was assigned to inspected the same line when it was returned to the States. Seems the folks in China could not make it work because it took not only reading the operational manuals, but skill and knowledge on how to make it run from a practical view point.

Last I heard it was happily humming along!

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Perhaps take a page from Henry Ford who was certainly no socialist who doubled his worker's pay so they could afford to BUY the cars they were producing, Ford realized that economics was a system, What we see today in US based corporate behavior is the ultimate expression of the ME generation, What can I get to hell with everyone else around me.

The US needs a serious discussion on wages and taxes, Corporate taxes are too high, taxes on earned income are too high, Taxes on unearned income are too low, We should have low taxes on money which is directly invested in productive activities (read IPO, VC and Bonds) much higher taxes on the casino which is the stock exchange.

We also need a serious discussion on the minimum wage, Which should be set at the state not the federal level as the economics of a rural area are quite different from a big city.

The Mickey D's workers who want 15/HR it's problematic as I am aware of several groups who are working on automated burger production systems, We need a discussion on employment policy in the US because for the first time in history we can eliminate human labor from large sectors of economic activity, This also means we can no longer afford to import large numbers of unskilled workers into the country,

We do need immigration reform but it should probably be along the lines of Canada and the ANZAC countries where you are graded on a point scale and if you have a job offer AND exceed the points required THEN you are allowed to immigrate 'feel good' immigration policies benefit a select few - none of which is the immigrant themselves.

In China already there are automated noodle chefs which cost $2000 US

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/noodle-making-robots-china_n_1812202.html

The US needs to stop looking at businesses as the 'golden geese' to fund utopian dreams at the SAME time it needs to wean businesses from the corporate welfare teat the canonical example is Wal-Mart where many full time employees are eligible for welfare benefits. For situations like this there probably ought to be a surtax applied which 'claws back' the assistance paid if more than a small percentage of employees are on public assistance.

I totally agree on every point you made.......Well said Sir!

 

[Figment2005]

There are plenty of opportunities, but many of them are LATERAL.

You are right about the low cost of living in Florida, but who wants to live with room mates for the rest of their lives?

Many people live with roommates their whole life. Marriage in its simplest form is 2 people sharing the same financial load... roommates.

 

[ford91exploder]

Many people live with roommates their whole life. Marriage in its simplest form is 2 people sharing the same financial load... roommates.

True but from a Tax point of view living as roommates is considerably cheaper...

 

[JimboJones123]

I'd love to see Disney build one, fly that sucker in during a Disney Villain dance party and have him just go crazy with laser fire. Talk about making memories......

This is the survey answer that Disney needs to start taking a serious look at.

 

[JimboJones123]

Okay then, I'll correct it. You just took a quarterly profit number and then spread it out over a year. Disney's net income for the last fiscal year was $6.14 billion, not $1.39.

Profit per employee: $36,988

Profit per employee per pay period (weekly): $711

Profit per employee per hour (assume 40 hours/week): $17.78

Oops.

This makes me want to cry a little bit.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Welcome to Disney World

 

[ChrisM]

Perhaps take a page from Henry Ford who was certainly no socialist who doubled his worker's pay so they could afford to BUY the cars they were producing, Ford realized that economics was a system,

That's an urban legend. It plays well to the crowd, hence why you hear it so often.

Ford paid his workers that rate to decrease turnover, as training costs were high and disruptions to the assembly line costly.

 

[mgf]

Throwing this out there:


What 18 Of The Biggest Technology And Media Companies Earn Per Employee

"Disney: $34,857.14 per employee.
Disney earned $6.1 billion on revenue of $45 billion for the 2013 fiscal year ended Sept. 30. The company, which is home to everything from theme parks to ESPN, has one of the largest workforces in the media and technology sector, with 175,000 employees."

 

[flynnibus]

Ford paid his workers that rate to decrease turnover, as training costs were high and disruptions to the assembly line costly.

Yeah... not so much on the training costs(needing skilled people).. he pioneered the way to make the job trivial.. but to curb absentee and turnover which directly impacted being able to keep production up at pace. He had to pay them more to simply keep people from leaving and bailing because the jobs were so boring and repetitive

Ford's move is a bit more like the tolerance model... he made his pay good enough that people overlooked how bad the job actually was.. enough to cut his turnover and absenteeism which helped his productivity.

Ford was a bit of master manipulator when it came to 'giving you something... to get something MORE for me'

 

[flynnibus]

Throwing this out there:


What 18 Of The Biggest Technology And Media Companies Earn Per Employee

"Disney: $34,857.14 per employee.
Disney earned $6.1 billion on revenue of $45 billion for the 2013 fiscal year ended Sept. 30. The company, which is home to everything from theme parks to ESPN, has one of the largest workforces in the media and technology sector, with 175,000 employees."

very uneven mix of companies in there. I can see them comparing companies that all rely on media and ads (where I'd throw in companies like Facebook and Google alongside the CBSs, etc) but to throw companies that are manufacturing and reselling companies like Apple in there is just disjointed... and then a company like Disney which is really a mash up of everything is even more uneven in comparisons. Sure you get a number at the bottom to compare.. but they don't really tell you much when the companies are in completely different types of business.

I mean... the standard way of looking at this type of stuff is simply Margin. Your # of employees is reflected in your cost. Your success or not is measured against the typical Margin in your industry... not Margain in entirely different types of businesses.

I guess it makes good links tho...

 

[ford91exploder]

Yeah... not so much on the training costs(needing skilled people).. he pioneered the way to make the job trivial.. but to curb absentee and turnover which directly impacted being able to keep production up at pace. He had to pay them more to simply keep people from leaving and bailing because the jobs were so boring and repetitive

Ford's move is a bit more like the tolerance model... he made his pay good enough that people overlooked how bad the job actually was.. enough to cut his turnover and absenteeism which helped his productivity.

Ford was a bit of master manipulator when it came to 'giving you something... to get something MORE for me'

All the above is true, Business Insider has a good article about Henry Ford's payraise, The key is Ford REALIZED that assembly line work was miserable work and he raised pay to compensate for that he also raised pay so his employees COULD buy the cars. If you look at the pressers of the time this is how he sold his payraise to the other industrialists.

Both changes benefited Ford AND his workers, US business has forgottten that these days in large part.

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-ford-salary-increase-2012-8

http://www.businessinsider.com/economy-companies-wages-2012-6

 

[flynnibus]

All the above is true, Business Insider has a good article about Henry Ford's payraise, The key is Ford REALIZED that assembly line work was miserable work and he raised pay to compensate for that he also raised pay so his employees COULD buy the cars. If you look at the pressers of the time this is how he sold his payraise to the other industrialists.

I don't deny that is how he promoted the action - But that is marketing and PR... not necessarily the motivation

Disney tells you all the time they do things 'for the better enjoyment of our guests'

 

[ford91exploder]

I don't deny that is how he promoted the action - But that is marketing and PR... not necessarily the motivation

Disney tells you all the time they do things 'for the better enjoyment of our guests'

All that being said, It was a good idea in Ford's time and if you look at the macroeconomic data it's probably a good time now.