I also want to point out that while Dreamworks has a long history of mocking Disney, at least they've never gone as far as constantly deriding their own movies like Disney does. They have respect for their own library at least.
Society changes, and so do how we look at certain themes and tropes. A piece of work that is deemed a classic should not be put up on a pedestal and never re-evaluated or looked at with modern sensibilities. It can still be respected as a classic but also still poked fun at with regards to the themes and tropes used that can been seen as outdated by modern sensibilities. Again especially by its creators.
As a general approach, I prefer Disney to move forward from outdated tropes simply by not using them in their new movies rather than mocking the classics.
It's one thing to poke fun at a thing once in a while. It's another thing entirely to constantly poke fun at something over and over. Almost every Disney movie from the past decade has felt the need to throw in a dig at Disney's legacy. Moana with the princess comment which came totally out of nowhere. Elsa's remark to Anna about not marrying a man she's just met (which is ironic, because Anna more or less still does that by the end of the movie). The live-action Beauty and the Beast had Belle scoff in disgust about being mistaken for a princess. The entire premise of the Maleficent movies. Tangled with Flynn's narration and "meta" remark about not singing. The Princess and the Frog making fun of princess culture with Charlotte and dissing the idea of wishing on stars. The list goes on and on, and it really all started with Enchanted. I used to love the movie, but it hasn't aged well for me and I can see why a lot of other Disney fans didn't warm up to it because it really got the ball rolling.
I'm sure if you go back and look at other studios entire catalog you can find "digs" as you call them to their classic films as well.
It has been known since launch that the Disney Vault would be placed on D+. Just because something isn't currently available doesn't mean its never going to the service. There is only one Disney property that will never go to D+, and that is SotS. Everything else will find its way there eventually.
Opinions said on some non-Disney site by a few posters is not indicative of how the company feels or how the entire populous feels. Nor does it indicate that Disney doesn't respect their classics.
And I can appreciate that opinion.
In my opinion then that shows that Disney isn't just "trashing" their classics in every movie they put out.
Actually I see more of Djali from Hunchback of Notre Dame (in a good way).
Heck, Valentino is even given the ability to speak, plus I love Alan Tudyk.
Also I love goats!
I appreciate your opinion as well and I'm enjoying this discussion. I think it just comes down to everyone finding humor to be subjective so something you find to be funny and enjoyable might be something I find to be irreverant and disrespectful. It could be an age or cultural thing as well although I know most of my age group has no issue with the Disney jokes because they think classic Disney is a joke and needs to be critiqued. Can't wait for the day their media darlings get lambasted in the future.
Some of those movies mentioned were Pixar movies and thankfully we haven't gotten to the point where even Pixar is dissing Disney. Moana most certainly did though with the princess dig which doesn't even make sense because would Moana, who's never left her island, even know what a princess is with ballgowns and animal friends? It was just a hamfisted attempt for Disney to tell audiences that don't worry, we laugh at ourselves too so you don't have to laugh at us. Disney was never like this until Bob Iger came onboard. They took the wrong lessons from Shrek and decided if other companies are going to profit off of making fun of us, we might as well join in and do it even more.
While I appreciate your post, a lot of this is conjuncture on your part.
The Lego Review Board said yes. The project, unlike their other approved projects, was left pending because they needed additional approval. By the time of the next approved projects, they confirmed that it was a no-go for Snow White. Steamboat Mickey, Winnie the Pooh, and Hocus Pocus didn't have these problems. The conjecture was that it was Disney which said no, especially since just a few weeks or a month before this announcement, the live-action remake had a flurry of controversies. Obviously there's no cold hard proof but the writing is on the wall and there's a reason most think it was Disney which said no. Another reason to hate the remake, not even counting every other tone-deaf comment made explaining its premise. The guess about Lego making their own cottage to go with the remake doesn't make sense because Lego has not made any sets based on the live-action remakes at all. If Alice in Wonderland, Maleficent, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Mulan, and soon The Little Mermaid didn't get any live-action Lego sets, why would Snow White suddenly be the first for a movie that is still a way off? Another reason that logic doesn't work is because the Steamboat Willie set was a fan-set which was approved by Lego Ideas and made. After it was confirmed, Lego revealed that they in fact had been working on their own Steamboat Willie set. So even if Lego had plans to make their own Snow White cottage for the remake (which certainly isn't the case but we'll say that for argument's sake), they would have just done with they did with Steamboat Willie and conflate the fan ideas project with their own design. If Lego had wanted to say no, they would have said no from the beginning and not put it into pending status. Another thing to keep in mind is that this wasn't the first time the Snow White cottage was submitted as a Lego ideas project. Many of the projects that become official sets were rejected once or twice before they become approved after another submission. I think this was Snow White's second or third submission...I might be getting it mixed up with Winnie the Pooh which also got rejected the first time around. So I can't imagine why Lego would say no to Snow White once or even twice, and then on the third occasion say yes only to change their minds and say no. They would have just outright rejected it again. The Lego community has said that Disney's deal with Lego gives Disney more influence over what sets get made than other companies, so the writing is on the wall that it was Disney that interfered and said no to Snow White. I guess during the time when even the word "dwarf" was being considered problematic, it wouldn't make sense for Disney to approve of a product that featured the cottage of the dwarfs. That's not even considering the fact that unlike for the previous two anniversaries for Snow White, where there was a surplus of dwarf merchandise, I saw very little this time around. The usual plush toys for each dwarf were missing so I can't help but wonder how much of this has to do with Disney feeling very concerned about dwarf merchandise.
ideas.lego.com
As for the rest of your post. While I enjoyed reading it, its again all conjecture. I appreciate your passionate opinions on this subject but there is just a lot of unknowns for which there is really no basis to formulate these opinions. But I get it, lack of evidence is enough for some to formulate an opinion, such is the basis for most of the internet.
So, you still got nothing.
Why don't you try finding it since you seem so invested rather than vent on here?
You mistook me. I never said it was approved, although I wish that had been the case. I said the Lego Review Board said yes. As in they didn't say no upfront and selected it from the review process for further inquiry along with 2 other sets. The other 2 sets, not from the Disney brand, were immediately approved. Snow White was selected for needing a further inquest which is what marked it as a special case because that doesn't typically happen as projects tend to either be outright rejected or approved. Yes, every fan submitted project that gets 10K supporters has to go through a review process, I'm well aware of that. But for every 50-60 projects that are selected for each review period, most of them are outright rejected and then 1 or 2 are selected. Snow White was the rare case where it wasn't rejected, but it wasn't 100% approved either hence why they said they needed more time to sort out the kinks. There was no official explanation given but all the Lego Ideas posters were certain that because Snow White is a Disney IP, Lego can say yes but they still need the go-ahead from Disney. Obviously that's just unsubstantiated discourse, but it's an educated guess and more likely than other alternatives presented especially since those in the Lego community are quite learned about the whole process and Lego's rights with IP so I'm inclined to believe them.Again this is a lot of conjecture.
Please provide the official information where they ever said yes it was approved and it was just pending due to additional approval.
I provided this in my last post, but here is the link to the direct site:
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Snow White and the Seven DwarfsHey friends! I decided to take a second swing at my Seven Dwarfs' House. Though, this time I thought I would stay true ...
And here is what is say:
"Review Results for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Our team has thoroughly considered the possibility of releasing this project as a LEGO set according to the criteria of the LEGO Review. Unfortunately, the LEGO Review Board has decided that we will not produce this project as a set."
Prior to this update in February 2022 the only thing that was done was in April 2021 it went into the review process. This is not an official yes that the project moves forward. Its a review process where Lego considers if they will actually move forward with making the submission an official project, they have a lot of criteria that must be met before its an official yes. Also it should be noted that ANY fan submitted project that gets 10K supporters gets approval to go through a review process, so this isn't something special just for the Snow White project.
As for the rest of your post. While I enjoyed reading it, its again all conjecture. I appreciate your passionate opinions on this subject but there is just a lot of unknowns for which there is really no basis to formulate these opinions. But I get it, lack of evidence is enough for some to formulate an opinion, such is the basis for most of the internet.
This isn’t my impression at all. The Disney classics are vaunted by the company at every turn, notwithstanding the occasional bit of self-referential humour. I’m genuinely puzzled by the claim that they are continually mocked and criticised.
I'm still waiting for the walkaround versions of Dr. Doppler and cyborg Long John Silver from Treasure Planet...
I'm still waiting for a walkaround Gurgi.
