brideck
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Hasn't everything in the animated space (outside of Strange World) gotten an A-range Cinemascore? That implies that people who actually go and see them think they're good.
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Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)
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Hasn't everything in the animated space (outside of Strange World) gotten an A-range Cinemascore? That implies that people who actually go and see them think they're good.
Phroobar
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The company calculates its “CinemaScore” movie grades for major movie releases in the U.S. and Canada by polling a regionally-balanced and statistically robust sample of opening night moviegoers.
That is when the fanatics showed up. Of course they would give it an A. Then they never returned to see it again and neither did anyone else.
LittleBuford
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If that were so, every film would get an A. They don’t.
Casper Gutman
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Where is this flood of awful content, exactly? Lightyear and Strange World always get brought up, though their awfulness seems very overrated. Ant-Man 3 was a disappointment. Thor 4 was controversial. Beyond that, the Marvels was good. TLM had a great lead performance and was on par with the earlier live action remake megahits. Elemental was enjoyable and its extraordinary legs demonstrated this.
So is the assumption that the disappointing but not miserable Ant-Man, Strange World, and Lightyear killed a decade-long reputation for quality? Because that seems like a heck of a stretch.
So is the assumption that the disappointing but not miserable Ant-Man, Strange World, and Lightyear killed a decade-long reputation for quality? Because that seems like a heck of a stretch.
Sir_Cliff
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They don't know what their specific wishes are, but they do know they are giving their wishes to him and they know what wishes are in the abstract as some of them do get granted in front of the whole kingdom. The situation with Asha and her grandfather also suggests that they know the wish, whatever it was, is important as he spent his life hoping his got granted.
The plot hole, for me, is Asha's surprise and finding out most wishes won't be granted as that much should have been obvious to everyone involved, not them being better off knowing their wishes/dreams. I'm sure this will differ from viewer to viewer, but I think it would have been more effective if they could have more dramatically demonstrated to Asha and then the population just how profound a part of themselves they were giving up and had that be the big reveal. Showing wishes like flying, singing, or mountain climbing and then suggesting the lives of the people of Rosas were ultimately empty because they weren't doing those things suggests most people in this world who aren't eccentric billionaires are also living empty, unfulfilled lives out in the suburbs and cooped up in their workplaces.
Disney Irish
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And this is where I differ in my view, as you think it should be obvious on the whole wish system. But most teenagers are oblivious to the world around them. And for that matter, so are most people when it comes to their own self interests. Asha is a young 17/18 yr old girl that is naive to the whole wish granting process. To her prior to her "interview" she thinks everyone has an equal chance of getting their wish granted. You even have her and her friends talking about how the assistant in previous years automatically getting their families wished granted. The big reveal is actually that life isn't what it seems on the surface. That Magnifico dictates who gets their wish granted not based on some fair system as is the public facing system, but based on the whim of a king who fears losing his power if the wrong wish is granted. And these are not wishes like "I want to be king", these are the ones we keep talking about, like Asha's grandfather who just wants to be inspiring through song.
As for the losing one's self when the wishes are taken. To me this all shows that when you take away ones wishes/dreams you are left without a life of fulfillment. This is shown in one of Asha's friends where he is just a lump instead of having a life of excitement by becoming one of the palace guards.
Basically the whole morale of the story is to live out your wishes and dreams, don't wait on others to decide and dictate them for you.
Yeah, I find that concept rather insulting myself. I have a lot of things I'd like to be working on but I need to make sure I have a roof over my head, food on the table, etc., and obtaining those things tends to get in the way of just running off to follow my dreams. (If anything, given how people in Rosas live the life of Riley they really should have no problems having it both ways - they're only giving up one wish!) Not to mention a lot of stories are specifically about how people can have fulfilling lives for themselves and others by being a functioning part of their communities and appreciating the little things (It's a Wonderful Life, Soul, etc.) rather than just moping about the big things that Life often gets in the way of doing.
BuddyThomas
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And keep in mind Christmas with The Chosen is a Fathom Events limited-run program that has, at most, three screenings per day at each theater. There is generally an upcharge for Fathom Events IIRC, but then, there's an upcharge for 3D screenings of Wish (I presume it lost any remaining Dolby Cinema screens to Wonka).
I was surprised it was still playing on as many screens as it is, but get the sense, going by theaters in my area and a friend's note, that Wish's screen count has come by being demoted to smaller auditoriums in multiplexes, possibly sharing screens with other movies such as one-off reduced-price screenings of Christmas movies like Love Actually and Elf. Given next weekend brings in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (though to be honest, WB seems to have already given up on that one) and especially Migration, alongside the possibility that Wonka will have good legs, there will probably be a big loss in screens for Wish then.
I was surprised it was still playing on as many screens as it is, but get the sense, going by theaters in my area and a friend's note, that Wish's screen count has come by being demoted to smaller auditoriums in multiplexes, possibly sharing screens with other movies such as one-off reduced-price screenings of Christmas movies like Love Actually and Elf. Given next weekend brings in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (though to be honest, WB seems to have already given up on that one) and especially Migration, alongside the possibility that Wonka will have good legs, there will probably be a big loss in screens for Wish then.
David Poland's review for his The Hot Button newsletter really goes into this. He points out that Asha goes straight from learning this to effectively deciding that all of Rosas is built on a lie. And while Magnifico's humiliation of her and her family afterward is petty and mean, she is acting out of spite and self-interest in trying to steal her grandfather's willingly given wish back, endangering people she considers her friends and loved ones, and otherwise in the action that follows. She nearly ruins the realm all over lazy grandpa not getting a wish he could have easily obtained for himself years ago!
(In a related issue, if all the people of Rosas are stars and together are powerful enough to banish black magic and wish Magnifico into purgatory, why don't everyone's individual wishes instantly come true upon being returned to their newly empowered selves? And why does Asha get a wand? She'll just end up becoming like Magnifico...)
Phroobar
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I dare everyone to confront Asha with these facts during a meet and greet at Disneyland.
Well, it didn’t do me justice here in the United States, but hey, not bad Japan! Not bad!
brb1006
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Japan has a longtime for doing decent Japanese dubs and translations for Disney and Pixar Films. Been lessening to tons of Disney Films in Japanese on Disney+ recently which really makes me appreciate the art of foreign dubs.
TP2000
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Wish made it! In 3,100 theaters nationwide, and it beat that stupid old Christmas movie from a small indie studio.
TP2000
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How do you figure that? Wish is tracking to be a historic bomb globally, and is getting far less global box office than recent animated movies from Disney and its competition. Wish is only beating Strange World at the global box office.
Wish is going to lose at least $200 Million for Disney. That's $200 Million that wasn't spent on the parks. Currently, there are no new rides being built in any of Disney's American theme parks even though five of the six parks are woefully short of ride capacity (Disneyland needs more ride capacity, but not as badly as the other five parks), there is no night parade in any park in WDW or Disneyland Resort, and there is nothing announced to begin construction in Florida or California anytime soon.
And Wish just vaporized $200 Million in cash. There is no way to look at that and describe it as "doing well".
Disney Irish
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If the kid wants to look at it as doing well comparatively now that some of the larger international markets are starting to open for Wish, let him.
With Australia, Brazil, and a few other major markets left to open there is potential for more gains in the coming weeks. It likely won't bridge the gap, but it could make the sting not as bad.
The main issue is that Wonka has already opened in most of those markets and is doing well. And Wish has all those bad critical reviews - and the disaster of the U.S. run - preceding it, which can't be good for the hype train.