mickEblu
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What!? How did I not hear about this?
Yeah Willow really was the fantasy movie that started it all for me.
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Will Snow White's Enchanted Wish suffer same fate as Splash Mountain following Peter Dinklage's comments?
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What!? How did I not hear about this?
Yeah Willow really was the fantasy movie that started it all for me.
Phroobar
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WDWJoeG
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So she shouldn't earn her keep to live there?I have a friend that said she hated the Snow White story when she was a kid because she didn't think it was right that the dwarfs made her clean their house and cook for them when she was looking for help. She's kind-of not wrong.
They slave away in the mine all day doing back-breaking work with pick axes and she has a free roof over her head and all the food, dancing, and wildlife creature friends she could ever want.
As the old saying goes, nobody rides for free....
Phroobar
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She is 14 though. How many teenagers do you know that earn their keep?
TP2000
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Yeah, it was an utter failure and a box office disaster. West Side Story is now going down in the Box Office Bomb history books among the ranks of Ishtar or The Lone Ranger. It's going to be at least a $150 Million loss for the studio.
It was also banned in some overseas markets because of the Trans actress put in as the "tomboy" character from the 1961 original. But even in countries where it wasn't banned, it was a giant flop. Meanwhile, Spiderman had lines around the block and did a Billion dollars at the exact same time, so the studio can't blame Covid for it.
It's just all so pandering now. And I say that as a gay man. This kind of stuff can be clever if done correctly, but too often it's done so ham-handedly and panderingly that it comes off instantly as stupid and cringey.
Your last sentence is key. These choices are being made to please the HR department and the closed-minded Twitter mobs who follow the Woke celebs. Meanwhile, there are 330 Million Americans out there who just want to see a good movie for their hard earned entertainment dollar. They don't need to be lectured to or hit over the head with this stuff. And when you try to do that, the audience stays away in droves.
At some point, enough box office losses will pile up and the HR department gets overruled by the story writers.
WDWJoeG
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Should have lived in my house growing up - lots of dishes and chores, not so much dancing.
TP2000
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This was a good Visual Pop Quiz. I have no knowledge of the Willow movies. But I looked at that photo and my mind did not read that as "some hippie guys sitting around a picnic table with a disabled person".
Instead, my mind read that as "some hippie guys, and a far more clean cut looking dwarf, sitting around a picnic table".
Yes, I can belive that physiologically the dwarf may have medical challenges the others do not, owing to his compressed body structure and different physiology. But disabled? I just would never go to that word to describe that person. And these are real humans. Whereas...
The Seven Dwarves are cartoons. So they got drawn exagerratedly, as all cartoon humans are (the ladies here can attest to the impossibility of the Princess measurements).
But disabled? Nope, that's not how that clean cut man at the picnic table with some hippies reads to my brain at all.
TP2000
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Should have lived in my house growing up - lots of dishes and chores, not so much dancing.
I have a whole playlist for when I have to clean up the morning after a dinner party or sociable. It's heavy on Motown and surf music and a little Disco, it's very danceable and I often will Twist or do The Hustle a bit as I load the dishwasher or wrap up the china and crystal. It starts with this gem, which is the name of the playlist "Baby Workout".
If this doesn't put a spring in your cleaning step, you aren't human. You aren't even a magical creature!
WDWJoeG
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You've never seen me dance!
Mac Tonight
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Haha does it matter? But I think he plays one of the mice.
mickEblu
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Lol I was just wondering. The way things are going I figured it was one of the Evil Stepsisters.
DrAlice
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Ok, I'm going to stop being silly for a moment because IMO, the most important part of this whole topic is getting lost here:
The biggest thing wrong with Disney's new Snow White movie is the fact that they are MAKING A NEW SNOW WHITE MOVIE.
There is something fundamentally flawed with the decision makers at Disney that they would even consider touching Snow White as a remake. It's the movie that proved Disney could successfully make a feature length cartoon. How did this company go from one that understood the importance of the movie enough to recreate Carthay Circle theatre to one that is getting into social media arguments about the latest desecration of their own brand in such a few short years? They have truly lost their way.
The biggest thing wrong with Disney's new Snow White movie is the fact that they are MAKING A NEW SNOW WHITE MOVIE.
There is something fundamentally flawed with the decision makers at Disney that they would even consider touching Snow White as a remake. It's the movie that proved Disney could successfully make a feature length cartoon. How did this company go from one that understood the importance of the movie enough to recreate Carthay Circle theatre to one that is getting into social media arguments about the latest desecration of their own brand in such a few short years? They have truly lost their way.
TP2000
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Yes, I agree whole heartedly. It's alarmingly similar to their decision to remake West Side Story, which was a masterpiece in its own right in 1961. Which is why I mentioned it above.
The more I think about this news the more troubling it seems. I've been harping for the past few years that the theme park executives running Disneyland don't seem to understand or use their own product. That's a concept that seems to also be infecting the movie studio in Burbank.
And are they really that desperate for content that they have to remake a masterpiece? It's very concerning the throught process behind that decision.
Mac Tonight
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Considering most of the live-action remakes have been… less than stellar, this one is surely already off to a bad start. Maybe this will be the one that causes them to rethink this cash grab trend.
Disney Irish
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I'm reminded that Disney already took a cinematic classic and ruined it by going Woke like this. Audiences stayed away in droves, and it ended up costing the studio machine that made it at least one hundred million dollars. One hundred to one hundred and fifty Millions of dollars went up in smoke. Gone.
The 2022 remake of West Side Story is that example. As if West Side Story needed to be remade anyway?! It was perfect the first time, and beloved. But they went Woke, made a big deal about using a Trans actress (which got it banned by government censors in some overseas markets), and gave it all a modern take that left audiences staying home in droves. Critics and the HR Department officially raved about it, but the actual paying audiences voted with their wallet and stayed away in droves. And then waited in line to see Spiderman again instead.
From December 26th, when the film had been in theaters for weeks...
With just $36.6 million in ticket sales, âWest Side Storyâ is officially a box-office bomb
"West Side Story" is a box-office bomb, having only generated around $36 million in ticket sales on a $100 million production budget.www.cnbc.com
And on the exact same day, CNBC released this info about Spiderman's box office...
'Spider-Man: No Way Home' becomes first pandemic-era film to break $1 billion at global box office
"Spider-Man: No Way Home" reached $1.05 billion at the global box office over the Christmas weekend.
Just to be clear Disney had almost nothing to do with West Side Story, outside a little marketing. That project was a pure Steven Spielberg creation under Amblin and was a hold over from Disney's acquisition of 21st Century Fox. The project was pretty much done and ready to release by the time Disney was even involved. They requested no rewrites, reshoots, or anything else.
So any decisions about who was cast, changes made to the story, or anything else is 100% not on Disney but on Steven Spielberg himself.
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Wise choice. Watched it with friends recently. Too bad to even crack jokes at
Castle Cake Apologist
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Are you serious with this? He's literally a little person.
Oh, and what a shock, the usual group of pearl clutchers are offended by the opinion of a single individual. Even managed to bring up the much ado about nothing consent article!
CaptinEO
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What are the stereotypes in the first film? I've probably watched in a hundred times and there are no stereotypes I saw. She loves the dwarves and treats them with care.
CaptinEO
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It's very ironic when you think about it.
Walt had little to no resources and risked everything he had to make Snow White and it was a massive success that is loved to this day.
The 2022 Disney Company with all the resources and money in the world will make their Snow White film and it will be a box office bomb and critical failure.
All the bad / corny writing, all the pointless expedition, and forced woke messages about women empowerment and being a Latina in Germany, this film will be the perfect way to compare with the original to see how the Disney company went down the drain.