Will Disneyland USA suffer? ALL Of Disney's Theme Parks Now Closed - Reopening Dates Unknown

TP2000

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Work continues on Marvel Land at DCA, and Coronavirus doesn't seem to be slowing it down.

The new building behind Luigi's has been reported by several sources to be a new "administration building" for DCA management. It is still undergoing active construction and is now covered by a scrim, and I wonder if the scrim is what the eventual facade will look like behind Luigi's tire yard? If so, it will be an improvement over the row of rather ratty looking scrub pines they originally planted there.

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In this photo you can see the original green office buildings they built for DCA as it was being expanded in 2009.

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Is the new building meant to replace one or more of those three green buildings, to allow for a more complete Marvel Land expansion? As seen from the air, those three green buildings built in 2009 in the photo above are circled below in green.

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Nirya

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Ok, so I've been sitting on the idea of writing a post here, but I think I hit the point where I have to.

I recently read an interview with Bruce Aylward, who is in charge of the WHO's group that went to China to figure things out with Covid-19 (and I'll link it here for people who want to read it also). One of the big takeaways I got was that China was able to start lowering the amount of reported cases in the last few days in part because they took a whole lot of steps to try and contain the spread, and I thought about how that would compare to things in the United States. Some of the things, like the whole-city quarantining, would never fly here for obvious reasons, but limiting travel has definitely helped slow down the spread. The city of Wuhan seems set up to be hit particularly hard by any rapidly-transmittable disease, but such cities exist in other parts of the world as well, and as the disease spreads to other countries, getting any sort of data on how to slow it down is important. The interview talks a bit about why we haven't seen another city in China shut down like Wuhan, but it does clarify that WHO statement that you shouldn't cancel mass gatherings to "play it safe". Rather, shutting down public spaces is a natural step in pandemic containment, and in the early days when we did not know much about the disease, it was a necessary step. Other countries in the region doing so is understandable as they are in the general area, but I think it was a message to places like the US where there is not a huge saturation of cases yet.

But the interview does also point out the problem with one of the big talking points here, which is that the coronavirus is not a big deal. One of the big things China did was to actually treat this like a big pandemic, rather than isolated cases, and create an environment where people felt comfortable enough to come forward if they felt they had any of the symptoms. They went out of their way to teach the public about the disease, instead of pretending this is not a threat. That helped them track the disease and gather data that the WHO now has (and for what it's worth, the interviewee did not seem to believe China was hiding data from them), which can help them better fight the spread of the disease. There's talk about how China is now having to restart its economy after the methods they employed, but that those methods were ultimately successful, and China is seeing the drop now because they treated the coronavirus as a public health crisis and were willing to sacrifice economically to protect people.

This is where I will now say that anyone making comparisons to past disease outbreaks is just making bad-faith comparisons in an effort to brush aside the very-real potential of this disease. Bringing up the Hong Kong flu epidemic of 1968-1969 (just to use the most recent bad comparison) fails to consider just how advanced things are today. Medicine and our understanding of disease and how it is transmitted have advanced pretty far since that time. Technology and how we are able to travel and communicate have advanced pretty far since that time. Hell, for as bad as social media is, the fact that it gives people a faster way of communicating important information is something that was not even possible back then. Aylward brings up that humanity in 2020 is a fantastic surveillance system to help prevent the spread of disease just by having strong ways of informing the general public.

Comparing it to the common flu also isn't a great comparison. It's easy to quote the number of deaths each year and say "well why don't we talk about this ever?" but that leaves out this huge data point of how many people actually contract the flu each year. Just going off the CDC's numbers for this most recent flu season, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized. That's not even counting the estimated 29 million that the CDC believes have gotten the flu. THAT's why you never hear the news talk about it, because statistically the number of deaths compared to the number of cases is so small that it is negligible. Just going off those numbers, if you transmit the flu you're close to a 0.01% chance of ending up in the hospital or dying. I get that statistics are a dying art, but try to be a bit better.

And then here is something for the people treating this like the potential end of the world: it's not. There's enough reporting by now to say this is transmitted similarly to the more-common flu, but with the added bonus of sticking around in the system for much longer. The recent data on the disease that Aylward mentions is that it's down to a 1% mortality rate in China outside of the Hubei province, and even China's general 3.8% mortality rate for people with the disease is driven in part by the flurry of deaths in the early stages of the epidemic. Yes, the US health system is probably woefully unprepared should the disease hit here at the level it did in China, but the good news is that by the time it does get here, we will hopefully have had enough time to prepare, especially if we learn by what other countries are doing. And part of that is actually treating this like an actual public health crisis and not some grand media hoax.
 

Nirya

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Don’t mean to sound racist but could this have anything to do with people over there ripping off live bat and rat heads with their mouths and eating them?

Nope! While it is true that you can find similar COVID strains in bats (and this is one of the ways we have studied the virus in the past by looking at those strains), they are not 1-1 comparisons. SARS, which also was a strain of COVID, similarly had much in common with that found in bats, but the estimates are that the strains evolved differently between 25-65 years ago. Most likely, this was just a new mutation of a virus that was already in humans, similarly to how the flu mutates into something new each year.

Edit: to expand on this, SARS originated in bats, but it was actually cats which were the intermediate hosts of the disease, and the transmission came from human contact with infected cats. Similarly, MERS originated in bats but then went into camels, which then transmitted it into humans. I would not be surprised if this current strain went from bats to something else first, most likely farm animals that were infected. That would better explain the marketplace as a spot of origin.
 
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chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
In France, Italy, Japan, etc? The reaction is hyperventilating all over the world.
Huh? You're the one who said...
In 2009, the Swine Flu killed 12,500 Americans - can't remember a single person freaking out at a Disney park. We are in odd, hysterical times.
For which Lilofan directly replied...
I still had a flip phone in 2009 and social media seems like a foreign language. If social media was around in 2009 it would have been a different story.
Which I then directly replied to with the intent to further the discussion about the "Americans" point that YOU created. I know there aren't threads within threads here and I probably should have quoted your post along with Lilofan's so maybe my point wasn't as clear.

So, to make myself more clear, I meant here in the US. To further my point as to why this time around is different than in 2009, (which I originally omitted because we aren't supposed to get political on this board) I believe the U.S. news media (and others) are making a bigger deal of this and pushing the hysteria more than is currently needed because of political implications.
 

BubbaisSleep

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I find the hold on construction rumors interesting. Especially since Disney is the king of theme parks, but Universal or the OLC isn't using this unfortunately circumstance to cancel any of their 100000000 projects. But the Magic Kingdom has canceled announced projects before so you never know I guess.
 

Curious Constance

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Nope! While it is true that you can find similar COVID strains in bats (and this is one of the ways we have studied the virus in the past by looking at those strains), they are not 1-1 comparisons. SARS, which also was a strain of COVID, similarly had much in common with that found in bats, but the estimates are that the strains evolved differently between 25-65 years ago. Most likely, this was just a new mutation of a virus that was already in humans, similarly to how the flu mutates into something new each year.

Edit: to expand on this, SARS originated in bats, but it was actually cats which were the intermediate hosts of the disease, and the transmission came from human contact with infected cats. Similarly, MERS originated in bats but then went into camels, which then transmitted it into humans. I would not be surprised if this current strain went from bats to something else first, most likely farm animals that were infected. That would better explain the marketplace as a spot of origin.
I’ve read things that say it likely originated in bats or other animals. Not Facebook posts, but seemingly well informed articles. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but I don’t know if it’s all together dismissed as a possibility.
 

Curious Constance

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I find the hold on construction rumors interesting. Especially since Disney is the king of theme parks, but Universal or the OLC isn't using this unfortunately circumstance to cancel any of their 100000000 projects. But the Magic Kingdom has canceled announced projects before so you never know I guess.

Disney operates its theme parks on a “paycheck to paycheck” basis. I doubt they are looking at new movie projects to shelve or stopping production on new toys, etc due to the closures in China and Japan, but parks are basically living below the poverty line.
 

Nirya

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I’ve read things that say it likely originated in bats or other animals. Not Facebook posts, but seemingly well informed articles. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but I don’t know if it’s all together dismissed as a possibility.

Yeah, I think we can safely assume that the virus itself, at some point in its mutation cycle, originated with bats. That tends to be where most of the similar coronavirus strains begin, and this article from Science Magazine has a good breakdown. But the article does a good job of debunking the idea that the virus broke out because the Chinese were eating bats, just based on a basic understanding of how viruses work.
 

SuddenStorm

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I keep forgetting about Disneyland Paris. Four deaths in France so far due to Coronavirus, as of today. France has a population of 66 Million.

That's one death for every 16 Million Frenchmen. That's a much higher rate of deaths per capita than China had when they closed Shanghai Disneyland, and is roughly on par with Japan's death rate when they closed Tokyo Disneyland.

Is it possible that Disneyland Paris would close before WDW and Disneyland USA? The math would seem to point that way.

Things are starting to not look good for my Paris trip in two weeks. If Disneyland Paris closes this week like WDWPRO is saying it will, I'm gonna cancel my flights.
 
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DrAlice

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.... but the good news is that by the time it does get here, we will hopefully have had enough time to prepare, especially if we learn by what other countries are doing. And part of that is actually treating this like an actual public health crisis and not some grand media hoax.
Too late. It's here. We're already seeing numerous cases (or suspected cases) of community spread (looking at you, Seattle area). In my area of California, we now have several cases among health-care workers from a hospital where a Wuhan-traveler was treated with the virus. Let me say that last part again: health-care workers who are supposed to know how to protect themselves got infected on the job. Again, it's too late to prepare. It's here now and so far we aren't doing very well at containment.

I don't want to diminish your post, because your points are valid and worth discussion. People in health care and government health agencies should absolutely be treating this like a public health crisis. But for the rest of us, there really is no point to panic about it.

Here is what I'm doing instead of panicking: I'm washing my hands a ton. I'm avoiding my 70-something-year-old parents so that I don't inadvertently infect them (especially because I work with the public). I'm doing my best to educate said public to wash their hands, sneeze in their elbows, avoid touching their faces, and, for the love of Pete, to stay home if they are sick. That is really all any of us little people can do.

Keep Calm and Carry On Wash Your Hands.
 

RobWDW1971

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Huh? You're the one who said...

For which Lilofan directly replied...

Which I then directly replied to with the intent to further the discussion about the "Americans" point that YOU created. I know there aren't threads within threads here and I probably should have quoted your post along with Lilofan's so maybe my point wasn't as clear.

So, to make myself more clear, I meant here in the US. To further my point as to why this time around is different than in 2009, (which I originally omitted because we aren't supposed to get political on this board) I believe the U.S. news media (and others) are making a bigger deal of this and pushing the hysteria more than is currently needed because of political implications.
I fully understand your point. My point to him was you can't fully explain away America's hysteria by politics in an election year because we are seeing similar hysteria in other countries.
 
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TP2000

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Too late. It's here. ....

Keep Calm and Carry On Wash Your Hands.

May I just say doctor, that I really appreciate all your contributions to this current topic? In addition to your contributions to Disneyland topics, of course! :)

I usually wash my hands several times a day, particularly after coming home from running errands and before I make food in the kitchen. Doing my part in the Great American Freak Out over Coronavirus, I have upped my hand washing to about five times a day instead of two or three. But one of the things I really enjoy about that is using a wonderfully smelling hand soap, and then following up with a hand lotion.

For the other men out there, or for the ladies who have men in their lives and want them to wash their hands, I strongly recommend you try this Moroccan Amber scent from NEST. It's a bit pricey, but oh so worth it! I have this soap and lotion in my guest powder room, and I also have this at my kitchen sink and in my own bathroom. It's heaven! And smells masculine but very chic. Try it, you'll like it! And it's better than that horrible Purell smell.

 
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