Will Disney pass their new found wealth to the CM's ?

[wannabeBelle]

I dont think the "I deserve" mentality sits well with most people and anyone who understands business. It just blows my mind that anyone would find a 1000 dollar bonus insulting when you work in a position that rarely if ever gets bonuses.

This. Marie

 

[21stamps]

Meanwhile, the company I work for didn’t give Tax Bill bonuses.. but I’m jumping for joy over the changes to 529 plans.

Sometimes it’s ok to just be happy, especially when changes are a benefit to your life.
No matter how you look at it, an extra $1k can not be viewed as a negative.

 

[POLY LOVER]

first, you don't get a thousand dollars to keep after taxes, second, Disney writes off the bonus, third a bonus is nice but does not help you in the long term. The point is Disney can keep the money, build some attractions, buy back stock , give upper management big bonuses and raise tickets prices to their fans and not make any meaningful change in salarys that do change lives.
Unfortunately most Disney workers have no options to just move on. Disney set the local salarys since they are the largest employer in Orlando. These are 9.00 and 10.00 an hour employees, they are not greedy ceo's getting multi million dollar bonuses. I find it funny how there is outrage over a 10.00 an hour employee wanting a dollar more and defense for upper management salarys and the greed they exhibit. These people do their jobs and make your experience wonderful they deserve a small slice of the pie.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Unfortunately most Disney workers have no options to just move on. Disney set the local salarys since they are the largest employer in Orlando.

Lol. No.

How many McDonald's are there in Orlando? Burger Kings? Olive Gardens? Wendy's? Walmarts? Targets? Hotels? Literally thousands. If you make $10/hr. it's because you're doing a $10/hr. job with $10/hr. skills. That's true in Orlando, Albuquerque, Providence, and Cleveland.

To be clear, this is not a disparagement. I was once a $7.25/hr. worker. Now I'm not.

 

[jloucks]

I dont think the "I deserve" mentality sits well with most people and anyone who understands business. It just blows my mind that anyone would find a 1000 dollar bonus insulting when you work in a position that rarely if ever gets bonuses.

Maybe most people don't understand why it is insulting? Those that do, probably aren't working for near minimum wage. The degree of insult is directly related to how much you value yourself. Or, more specifically, knowing how much you are worth.


I think I can prove this point. Most of you, at some point, would find a bonus insulting. Where that point falls, varies, but it is there. Is is a 1% bonus? Is it a .05% bonus? a $10 bonus? Where is that point?

If you have no point of insult, I find that sad. You are worth more than that. You all are.

I am biased. I tip 20%-50% on a regular basis. I see right though 5% tips/bonus as the insult they are. But, hey, 5% is 5%. We are all worth at least that.

 

[jloucks]

Lol. No.

How many McDonald's are there in Orlando? Burger Kings? Olive Gardens? Wendy's? Walmarts? Targets? Hotels? Literally thousands. If you make $10/hr. it's because you're doing a $10/hr. job with $10/hr. skills. That's true in Orlando, Albuquerque, Providence, and Cleveland.

To be clear, this is not a disparagement. I was once a $7.25/hr. worker. Now I'm not.

You just outed your age whipper snapper. I started at $5. ... and it seemed like at lot coming from a $20 week allowance.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If you have no point of insult, I find that sad. You are worth more than that. You all are.

This is such a cancerous mentality. Economic worth and personal worth are not the same thing. Equating the two is extremely dangerous.

Economically, you're worth exactly as much as someone is willing to pay you. No more, no less.

 

[jloucks]

This is such a cancerous mentality. Economic worth and personal worth are not the same thing. Equating the two is extremely dangerous.

Economically, you're worth exactly as much as someone is willing to pay you. No more, no less.

But your worth dictates what people are willing to pay.

How does you logic fit into salary negotiations?

Or better yet, how do you define worth?

 

[21stamps]

first, you don't get a thousand dollars to keep after taxes, second, Disney writes off the bonus, third a bonus is nice but does not help you in the long term. The point is Disney can keep the money, build some attractions, buy back stock , give upper management big bonuses and raise tickets prices to their fans and not make any meaningful change in salarys that do change lives.
Unfortunately most Disney workers have no options to just move on. Disney set the local salarys since they are the largest employer in Orlando. These are 9.00 and 10.00 an hour employees, they are not greedy ceo's getting multi million dollar bonuses. I find it funny how there is outage over a 10.00 an hour employee wanting a dollar more and defense for upper management salarys and the greed they exhibit. These people do their jobs and make your experience wonderful they deserve a small slice of the pie.

The flaw in your statement is that you’re painting these people as victims. They chose their own life, their own position.

How many times do they have to put in long work weeks, without getting additional pay in the form of “overtime”?
How many times do they go spend a day out and can choose to not think about work?
How many vacations can they go on where they don’t have to bring their laptops, or worry about what’s going on at their workplace?
How much are they actually responsible for?

They do a job that they are told to do. They can leave their work at the job site.

There is a reason that low level employees get paid less than higher level employees. If the reasons why can’t be understood, then we’re at a standstill.

 

[21stamps]

Maybe most people don't understand why it is insulting? Those that do, probably aren't working for near minimum wage. The degree of insult is directly related to how much you value yourself. Or, more specifically, knowing how much you are worth.


I think I can prove this point. Most of you, at some point, would find a bonus insulting. Where that point falls, varies, but it is there. Is is a 1% bonus? Is it a .05% bonus? a $10 bonus? Where is that point?

If you have no point of insult, I find that sad. You are worth more than that. You all are.

I am biased. I tip 20%-50% on a regular basis. I see right though 5% tips/bonus as the insult they are. But, hey, 5% is 5%. We are all worth at least that.

People take entry level jobs for 2 main reasons.

1. To get a foot in the door and work their way up.
2. They don’t want the responsibility or investment of something higher.

If someone doesn’t think they’re worth $10 ph, then they are free to find a job that pays more. However, don’t take a position and then claim that the pay isn’t good enough. Especially when no one forced you to take said position in the first place.

 

[Dutch Inn '76]

But your worth dictates what people are willing to pay.

How does you logic fit into salary negotiations?

Or better yet, how do you define worth?

Once an employer has too much to do by himself, he hires an employee. The employee's pay is a mutually agreed upon transaction between the two parties. That agreement is what the employee is "worth" (if you want to look at it that way). If the pay is too low, the employee will not come to work; if it's too high, the employer will not hire him. This simple transaction is what makes the world go 'round.

People have tried to alter that transaction in many ways over the years. You can fudge it in small amounts with the minimum wage, unions and other artificial constructs. We've done that with some success here in America. You can also fudge it in large ways with things like slavery or communism. Those methods don't end well for anyone.

 

[jloucks]

People take entry level jobs for 2 main reasons.

1. To get a foot in the door and work their way up.
2. They don’t want the responsibility or investment of something higher.

If someone doesn’t think they’re worth $10 ph, then they are free to find a job that pays more. However, don’t take a position and then claim that the pay isn’t good enough. Especially when no one forced you to take said position in the first place.

3. They are not worth more
4. They are stigmatized (ex cons, crazy people, etc)

my point is, people prove themselves and become worth more. It happens all the time.

Trick is, is it true, or just a grandiose view of yourself?

 

[larandtra]

Maybe most people don't understand why it is insulting? Those that do, probably aren't working for near minimum wage. The degree of insult is directly related to how much you value yourself. Or, more specifically, knowing how much you are worth.


I think I can prove this point. Most of you, at some point, would find a bonus insulting. Where that point falls, varies, but it is there. Is is a 1% bonus? Is it a .05% bonus? a $10 bonus? Where is that point?

If you have no point of insult, I find that sad. You are worth more than that. You all are.

I am biased. I tip 20%-50% on a regular basis. I see right though 5% tips/bonus as the insult they are. But, hey, 5% is 5%. We are all worth at least that.

There are so many flaws in this logic. Self worth and worth as an employee are two absolutely separate things. If you base your self worth on your job, something is terribly wrong. The "greed" argument that people use is a complete mischaracterization. I started with a paper route, then to making 5$ an hour at the local burger joint. Ive worked my way up and as I gained education and experience, I made myself valuable and guessw what. Each time I did, I was able to get more money. But, with that money came longer hours, not leaving work at work. I work 24/7 whether I am at the office or not. But, I do not judge my self worth by my job. I measure it by my happiness. And work is part of it but not the main part. Family, friends, etc and how I feel about myself every day are my self worth. Noone made me get an education. Noone made me get more experience. Noone made me agree to the salary I agreed to. I Chose those things. So if you Choose to work in a job that was never meant to be a family sustaining lifelong career, then you cant complain at what the market dictates those positions are worth from a salary standpoint. The victim mentality doesnt wash with most people. Be happy with what you have or do something to improve your value. Its that simple.

 

[jloucks]

Once an employer has too much to do by himself, he hires an employee. The employee's pay is a mutually agreed upon transaction between the two parties. That agreement is what the employee is "worth" (if you want to look at it that way). If the pay is too low, the employee will not come to work; if it's too high, the employer will not hire him. This simple transaction is what makes the world go 'round.

People have tried to alter that transaction in many ways over the years. You can fudge it in small amounts with the minimum wage, unions and other artificial constructs. We've done that with some success here in America. You can also fudge it in large ways with things like slavery or communism. Those methods don't end well for anyone.

Not setting a compensation base results is extreme wealth distribution upwards.

 

[aw14]

first, you don't get a thousand dollars to keep after taxes, second, Disney writes off the bonus, third a bonus is nice but does not help you in the long term. The point is Disney can keep the money, build some attractions, buy back stock , give upper management big bonuses and raise tickets prices to their fans and not make any meaningful change in salarys that do change lives.
Unfortunately most Disney workers have no options to just move on. Disney set the local salarys since they are the largest employer in Orlando. These are 9.00 and 10.00 an hour employees, they are not greedy ceo's getting multi million dollar bonuses. I find it funny how there is outage over a 10.00 an hour employee wanting a dollar more and defense for upper management salarys and the greed they exhibit. These people do their jobs and make your experience wonderful they deserve a small slice of the pie.

again, the transaction is mutual. If they did not want to work for Disney and earn what they earn, why did they apply? In terms of a slice of the pie....why? Why does anyone deserve it? They get compensated to provide a service and can leave at any time .

This whole discussion is mind numbing

 

[aw14]

Maybe most people don't understand why it is insulting? Those that do, probably aren't working for near minimum wage. The degree of insult is directly related to how much you value yourself. Or, more specifically, knowing how much you are worth.


I think I can prove this point. Most of you, at some point, would find a bonus insulting. Where that point falls, varies, but it is there. Is is a 1% bonus? Is it a .05% bonus? a $10 bonus? Where is that point?

If you have no point of insult, I find that sad. You are worth more than that. You all are.

I am biased. I tip 20%-50% on a regular basis. I see right though 5% tips/bonus as the insult they are. But, hey, 5% is 5%. We are all worth at least that.

I work in the public sector and never get a bonus, regardless of the economy or any other factors. Heck, I should be really insulted.

 

[jloucks]

There are so many flaws in this logic. Self worth and worth as an employee are two absolutely separate things.

I was always referring only to worth as an employee.

 

[jloucks]

This whole discussion is mind numbing

I went to the doctor and said, "doc, I broke my arm in two places!"
He thought for a moment and responded, "stay out of those places"

Maybe you should stay out of here? For some of us, it is stimulating and thought provoking.

 

[aw14]

I went to the doctor and said, "doc, I broke my arm in two places!"
He thought for a moment and responded, "stay out of those places"

Maybe you should stay out of here? For some of us, it is stimulating and thought provoking.

first,

that is a funny joke...bravo

The fact that this thread has gone down the road of "poor worker" and "evil corporate scum" if what is mind numbing. I always find it sad when folks look at other people and try to remove all responsibility from them and their decisions. Sets a bad precedent.

 

[larandtra]

Not setting a compensation base results is extreme wealth distribution upwards

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And setting ridiculous levels results in a loss of jobs period. Keep in mind what is happening with fast food. As unskilled laborers demand more money or they will strike, McDonalds has started testing ordering Kiosks. Cheaper than an employee and guess what, they will pay a higher salary to kitchen employees now that they have rid themselves of counter employees. So you got your raise because you could cook, but, now are out of a job if you are just counting out change. Again, worth for a job. Value to the company. Noone is irreplacable and when a company has financial obligations to meet, one of the easiest ways is to cut the cost of labor. Not saying this would be a track WDW would take but just exemplifying that the whole compensation having a government forced controlled base, is not a good thing. The market sets the standards and I would argue if the market were free to be set, most companies would pay more because there would be more competition. So, while you can complain about those mean greedy execs...without the work they do, there isnt a WDW at all.