Why Walt Disney World Needs a 5th Theme Park By 2025

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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el_super said:
Same customers, just convincing them to increase their stay another day to see another park. I dont know what the average length of stay is for current WDW visitors, bit my guess is that would be a tough sell with additional Universal parks in the area. At some point you're going to hit a ceiling where people taking two weeks off aren't going to increase their stays any longer.
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That is exactly what DIDN’T happen after DAK...average length of stay don’t go up a day...a fraction of one.

That is why you’ve seen no shovels since.

It’s about time off and ever since - an increasingly smaller percentage of the monetary pie for the collapsed middle class that form the core of the mass numbers needed to support Disney parks.

This is the reality that we...eerrr...I mean “they” discovered after about $10,000,000,000 in total investment in the 90’s on the DAK area.

Without a large number of new bodies to attend and spend in parks...and justify the huge overhead and longterm labor losses...

It doesn’t happen
 
Rosanne

Rosanne

Active Member
WildernessLodge said:
They keep building more and more resorts in WDW and the parks are already overcrowded. Maybe it's not a question of getting people to extend their vacations but to keep coming back year after year. It's already almost impossible to see everything in one trip so if there was a 5th gate it would be one more (very big) reason to come back another time.
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A 5th park would disperse the crowds.
 
Rosanne

Rosanne

Active Member
danlb_2000 said:
Which is not good for Disney, because that would mean the new park is cannibalizing the business from the existing parks. This is what happened with Animal Kingdom early on.
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I think the other parks do well. They arent packed like MK. I guess thats good for customers but not Disney. Why do we have to be packed in like sardines? Money.
 
SourcererMark79

SourcererMark79

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
MisterPenguin said:
Disney only has until 2024 to finish adding twice the number of E-Tickets that the new Uni Gate will deliver!

Won't that be a contest then!!
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It would, but we both know it won't happen. Maybe by then the Bobs are out and we have leadership that realizes you can't keep raising prices to soften the blow of losing the attendence numbers.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
SourcererMark79 said:
It would, but we both know it won't happen. Maybe by then the Bobs are out and we have leadership that realizes you can't keep raising prices to soften the blow of losing the attendence numbers.
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The point being that from the time we all got wind that Uni was building a 3rd gate to the time in which they will be finished, WDW will have added as many attractions to its existing 4 gates as Uni will add in its new gate.

IOW, no contest. WDW will be just as far ahead in number of attractions by the time the Epic is open as it was a few years ago.
 
SourcererMark79

SourcererMark79

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
MisterPenguin said:
The point being that from the time we all got wind that Uni was building a 3rd gate to the time in which they will be finished, WDW will have added as many attractions to its existing 4 gates as Uni will add in its new gate.

IOW, no contest. WDW will be just as far ahead in number of attractions by the time the Epic is open as it was a few years ago.
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Ahh, I see now, thanks for clarifying!
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

Premium Member
WildernessLodge said:
Maybe if they capped it at a reasonable maximum so it's not uncomfortably crowded then it could be dispersed better and people would evenly visit the other parks. I don't know how all of that works but the parks are way too crowded and a 5th gate seems like it could help with that. People are still in WDW so their money is still going to the same place.
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But they have no good reason to do this. The crowd levels don't seem to be having a negative impact on the overall attendance numbers, so why limit access.
 
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HongKongFooy

Well-Known Member
WildernessLodge said:
And the fans are dying for a 5th gate
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They are?

Some most definitely are but collectively I highly doubt that is a paramount concern.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that WDW guests would not even place a 5th park in their top 5 concerns.

crowding, costs, attraction wait times, less IP/more IP and quality(or lackthereof) of product would supersede 5th gate concerns.
 
SourcererMark79

SourcererMark79

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
WildernessLodge said:
Yes. If you polled WDW fans if they'd like a 5th gate or not I'm willing to bet that more people would vote yes than no. There's constant talk about it.
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So a 5th gate magically solves all of the issues mentioned before?
Why so much IP? Why can I not get FP+ for anything in the new park? Why is there no shade in the new park? Why are the wait times so long? Why does everything cost so much? :banghead:
 

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