Why so expensive

Florida_is_hot

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I have air miles.
Thinking about a "Value" resort but these value?? resorts they want $160 a night.
Twice the about I paid in the past.

Think I will pass.
Why so expensive?
 

Violet

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There's a reason corporate Disney spends $2B annually in advertising. (Back in the "old" days, Disney's advertising budget was essentially $0.) When it comes to WDW, it's to create the impression families "have" to vacation at WDW as a rite of passage; it's to generate demand for a product that essentially hasn't changed in 15 years.

I'm not sure I fully get "whatever the market will bear" versus the concept of supply and demand. I guess what you're saying is that they would rather have less visitors paying more?

I totally agree that WDW marketing is going for the once-in-a-lifetime "rite of passage" versus keeping customers coming back again and again. IMO, they absolutely don't care about creating repeat customers.
 
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Violet

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We stayed at a beach house (2 bedroom, nothing fancy) about two blocks from the beach in Destin, 3 years ago this fall. Splitting the cost of that beach house, food, gas and site seeing we payed as much as we did for our trip the following year to Disney. Our Disney trip was beyond more fun.

I was going to say something similar. We used to go to the Jersey Shore (LBI) via renting and that was not cheap either and it wasn't anywhere near as fun (at least for us).
 
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Disneyhead'71

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If you aren't willing to pay it, then that should be enough of a decision making point to go elsewhere. I personally love Disney. We stayed at a beach house (2 bedroom, nothing fancy) about two blocks from the beach in Destin, 3 years ago this fall. Splitting the cost of that beach house, food, gas and site seeing we payed as much as we did for our trip the following year to Disney. Our Disney trip was beyond more fun. Life is too short to constantly complain about how the "man" is making a buck and you are getting cheated. Its called free enterprise. It is part of what makes our country great.
Everyone has the right to decide the "value" for their family. It's called "free enterprise". And I am not surprised that many are finding the meteoric rise in WDW's pricing to be a disincentive. We have found that for our family, there are far better options.

That said, I would never have expected Destin, FL to even come close to as "fun" as WDW. We have found that Cheeca Lodge in Islamorda to be MORE fun than WDW. But I also understand that things like open ocean snorkeling is far to exhilarating for most WDW guest's constitution.
 
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ParentsOf4

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Life is too short to constantly complain about how the "man" is making a buck and you are getting cheated. Its called free enterprise. It is part of what makes our country great.
And The Walt Disney Company with annual revenue of over $42 Billion and annual net income of over $6 Billion thank you very much for taking exactly that attitude. Hope you are looking forward to another 8% price increase this year.
 
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Master Yoda

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And The Walt Disney Company with annual revenue of over $42 Billion and annual net income of over $6 Billion thank you very much for taking exactly that attitude. Hope you are looking forward to another 8% price increase this year.
To which I reply...so? They are selling a luxury product. If they were selling a necessary commodity I would agree that there needs to be some restraint, but they are as far from a necessity as they could be. Ferrari prices could go up 500% next year and most of us could care less. Why should Disney be held to a different standard?
 
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DManRightHere

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It is the "butter zone" price. The right high price for walk in vacations, but apparently low enough (with discounts floating around) to keep the resorts at their supposed 80%. Our hotel is $170 a night at coronado.

There are plenty of very reasonable hotels near disney. Choose wisely.

I would stay off site but the lady will not have it. The buses and resort theming is are pretty nice though.
 
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xdan0920

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To which I reply...so? They are selling a luxury product. If they were selling a necessary commodity I would agree that there needs to be some restraint, but they are as far from a necessity as they could be. Ferrari prices could go up 500% next year and most of us could care less. Why should Disney be held to a different standard?

They might care on the Ferrarimagic dot com boards, or wherever the privileged few discuss their sleek bodies and 12 cylinder engines.

:D
 
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Jessica Meier

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Have gas prices not increased at least that much, food prices the same? Is Disney taking advantage of an influx of overseas visitors who can experience WDW for cheaper thanks to an underperforming dollar? Yes, yes I do. Do I fault them for trying to make money? No. Its called capitalism. What I have issue with is people (not necessarily original poster) who post on message boards meant for fans ranting about how expensive it is. Can I afford to go every year much less several times a year? No. I have to save every penny and each year it does get slightly harder because EVERYTHING costs more. But I do it because I enjoy the parks. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Positive energy encourages positive things.
 
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Master Yoda

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In its simplest terms, the law of supply and demand involves the relationship between the availability of a good or service and its price. Without getting into a drawn out discussion of microeconomics, when demand increases, then prices increase. When supply increases, then prices decrease. In the case of rooms at WDW, there are over 1 million more room nights available at WDW then when Iger took control. Yet, incrementally, less than 40% of these rooms are being occupied. Supply is up much more than demand. Consequently, prices should decline accordingly to traditional supply and demand thinking.

The phrase “whatever the market to bear” dates back centuries. The modern business idea behind charging “whatever the market to bear” is what is sometimes called price discrimination. In an ideal price discrimination system, a company selling something is able to charge each individual consumer the maximum they are willing to spend. The price of something has no bearing on its cost or what someone else is paying for it. It’s based solely on what that one person is willing to pay, regardless of supply or demand.

In a traditional demonized example, "whatever the market will bear" means charging someone thousands of dollars for a drug they need to survive, even though it costs only pennies to develop and manufacture that drug and the supply of that drug is plentiful.

Disney has been working towards price discrimination for some time and, with the information they intend to collect from MyMagic+, they are trying to create something called “perfect price discrimination”. In a nutshell, it means getting you to spend the absolute greatest amount possible for your WDW vacation even if the person next to you is paying significantly less for essentially the same vacation. To achieve perfect price discrimination, Disney needs as much information about you as possible. MagicBand is designed to allow Disney to collect sufficient information so they can crunch this data in a computer and determine what your threshold of pain is. Since perfect price discrimination is illegal, Disney will have to modify this to offer slightly different packages to groups of consumers so it could reasonably argue that two different groups aren’t paying substantially different prices for identical vacations. Looking at this simplistically, Disney is not going to offer you (for example) “Free Dining” if you are willing to book your vacation without it, even if every other person in the park is receiving “Free Dining”.

People who say “I love Disney so much that I’m willing to pay any price” are effectively telling Disney to charge them more even though their next door neighbor might be paying thousands less for a nearly identical vacation. “I go to WDW because it makes me happy and I don’t care how much it costs.” This is Disney’s ideal consumer.
Where do you get room capacity being at 40%? Room capacity dropped to the mid 60's after 9/11 and all hell broke loose. If Disney room occupancy was anywhere near 40% you would see shuttered resorts.
 
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Jessica Meier

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I guess I will never understand disliking a company so much that I would write such hateful things to discourage an audience that is so obviously pro Disney to dislike them too. To each their own I guess.
 
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Violet

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Disney has been working towards price discrimination for some time and, with the information they intend to collect from MyMagic+, they are trying to create something called “perfect price discrimination”. In a nutshell, it means getting you to spend the absolute greatest amount possible for your WDW vacation even if the person next to you is paying significantly less for essentially the same vacation. To achieve perfect price discrimination, Disney needs as much information about you as possible. MagicBand is designed to allow Disney to collect sufficient information so they can crunch this data in a computer and determine what your threshold of pain is. Since perfect price discrimination is illegal, Disney will have to modify this to offer slightly different packages to groups of consumers so it could reasonably argue that two different groups aren’t paying substantially different prices for identical vacations. Looking at this simplistically, Disney is not going to offer you (for example) “Free Dining” if you are willing to book your vacation without it, even if every other person in the park is receiving “Free Dining”.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation.

I always think of it as they are marketing a whole bunch of products for different people, but that the products are different (perfect example is the hotel groupings).

Honestly, all of the discounts and games drive me batty. It makes me feel like I am getting more ripped off than I already am. Example, I feel like canceling our vacation because of this current Free Dining promo. If the kids didn't know already, I think I would cancel. I don't begrudge anyone personally, but it makes me nuts that the day after we leave, a whole bunch of people will be getting free food in the same exact restaurants that we just ate in a few days before and paid OOP for. It is for sure going to make me switch a lot of those meals to QS. They can stick that in their MagicBand ;)
 
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Violet

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I guess I will never understand disliking a company so much that I would write such hateful things to discourage an audience that is so obviously pro Disney to dislike them too. To each their own I guess.

I think people are just talking, I know I am. I love WDW, but I just enjoy talking about their business practices, which I find fascinating.
 
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Jessica Meier

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I think people are just talking, I know I am. I love WDW, but I just enjoy talking about their business practices, which I find fascinating.
Maybe so. I think that most of us would be pretty shocked at business practices of most companies if we paid attention as closely as we do to Disney.
 
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Master Yoda

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I wrote:

"Yet, incrementally [emphasis added], less than 40% of these rooms are being occupied."

WDW has over 1M additional room nights available but occupancy is up less than 400K incrementally.

WDW's overall occupancy rate is down to 78%. As recently as 2008, it was 90%.
Break out the math. I fail to see what kind of legitimate calculation that can be put on a even 78% occupancy rate do bring it down to Disney only having 40% of their rooms sold on a yearly basis.
 
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