Why no webcams

[rkelly42]

You need to sign up for Eyesonears, great site. Many disney lovers will stream from their rooms or do mobile feeds and stream from inside the parks on either rides, walkarounds or firework shows such as illuminations and wishes. There is a calender that you can look at for upcoming streams, also there usually is the Blue Heron cam that is live view looking over DtD and epcot. Once again sign up to be able to see the live video.

 

[All Disney All The Time]

This one from the Blue Heron Resort is always live . . . http://71.43.203.4/view/viewer_index.shtml?id=3207
Also, Eyesonears usually has one or two up. We've actually streamed ourselves from BLT a few times while staying there on Eyesonears. The Weatherbug cam that was up on the Contemporary was only up for a few months and then disappeared.

Love your sig line. We too have had to explain many times why we choose WDW year after year.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

On my Recent trip I decided to make a few Atmospheric videos for my own use...Mostly of places I really like. I'd find a section where there is a speaker so I can get the area's loop so it is hearable whilst watching...The one's I made are..
Epcot Front Gate
Fountainview/Fountain of Nations
Electric Umbrella
Futurworld West
Imagination At Night
Imagination Leaping fountain garden
Splash Mountain que area
Downtown Disney West Side
Downtown Disney Lake View area

 

[magicwand]

This has probably been posted elsewhere but also check out WDWvirtualvisit. It is just like walking around and being there. Love it!

 

[Epicpilot]

Ok, just to give everyone an in-depth reason for no webcams. The sad truth is that Wdw IS a terrorism target. After 9/11 the webcams were disconnected because this gives any potential terrorist 24/7 surveillance on the parks. Though this does not seem like a big deal to the general public, to a trained terrorist this is a HUGE source of intelligence. They can find though web cams when security is at its least, when the max crowds, where to plant an explosive device, and many other things. The simple reason why is that a terrorist can plant an explosive device where a streaming camera is, and than another person can watch the stream with a remote detonator and wait until there is lots of people passing close to the device. Though to us this seems like an annoyance to us this was a key part of making WDW more secure post-9/11.

 

[Florida_is_hot]

Ok, just to give everyone an in-depth reason for no webcams. The sad truth is that Wdw IS a terrorism target. After 9/11 the webcams were disconnected because this gives any potential terrorist 24/7 surveillance on the parks. Though this does not seem like a big deal to the general public, to a trained terrorist this is a HUGE source of intelligence. They can find though web cams when security is at its least, when the max crowds, where to plant an explosive device, and many other things. The simple reason why is that a terrorist can plant an explosive device where a streaming camera is, and than another person can watch the stream with a remote detonator and wait until there is lots of people passing close to the device. Though to us this seems like an annoyance to us this was a key part of making WDW more secure post-9/11.

What a pile of brainwashed .... Junk.

1) What makes you .... and it is YOU assume Walt Disney World is high on the terrorist targets.
2) Second all the parks are the most photographed places in the world you think "They can get all the information" they want and need.

Plant explosive devices ...... what a joke.
All they need to do is open or closing .... during the final fireworks. They do not need cams for max impact.

I am sick of the doomsday attitude so many have.

 

[Epicpilot]

What a pile of brainwashed .... Junk.

1) What makes you .... and it is YOU assume Walt Disney World is high on the terrorist targets.
2) Second all the parks are the most photographed places in the world you think "They can get all the information" they want and need.

Plant explosive devices ...... what a joke.
All they need to do is open or closing .... during the final fireworks. They do not need cams for max impact.

I am sick of the doomsday attitude so many have.

1. What makes me assume WDW is a terrorist target? Thousands of people of people in a park and is for many a place of happiness. These are places terrorists target.
2. I know parks are photographed, but how can you tell when the most people are in one area? Webcams.

Also, the government and WDW security need to think in this doomsday attitude, pre 9/11 no one thought and this attitude and what happened? Thousands of innocent people lost their lives. And brainwashed? Seriously? Just because Im ex-FBI and and all of my family work for government that means Im brainwashed? I have a sibling who is currently in New York serving with the FBI anti-terrorism unit and this is where I am getting this from... It's people like you with your attitude that were serving in government pre 9/11 that caused those two towers to go down. So please, stop thinking there is not a terrorist threat to the WDW. Thank you

 

[GenerationX]

There aren't any official webcams broadcasting from WDW because Disney's webcams are so old they can't find the right driver to download.

 

[englanddg]

@Epicpilot...

Whilst I maintain respect for your passion for the subject, and you and your family's honorable service to our nation, I disagree with some of your assertions.

1. What makes me assume WDW is a terrorist target? Thousands of people of people in a park and is for many a place of happiness. These are places terrorists target.

I agree. Is WDW a potential target? Yes. That is undeniable. However, there is nothing amazing or unique about this statement.

Any location where there is a large concentration of people are potential targets, and not just for terrorists. This includes places where we have already seen tragic attacks and attempted attacks around the world. Government buildings, churches, Times Square (thwarted by the ignorance of the attacker himself), schools, airplanes (shoe bomber restrained and stopped by fellow passengers), races / public gatherings (not stopped), public transportation (not stopped)...the list goes on, and many on the list include attempted attacks which were stopped due to valiant work by those in Law Enforcement and National Security (such as the attempted Capital bombing in Feb).

However, figuring out these potential targets does not take a malfeasant genius to figure out.

2. I know parks are photographed, but how can you tell when the most people are in one area? Webcams.

Funny, this didn't stop Disney from doing a webcam on their 24 hour event a few months ago. Also, there are plenty of sources outside of a webcam to figure these things out. I won't get into to much detail, but just imagine trying to plan a Disney trip around crowds, and what crowd size and traffic shaping tips and resources are available to you for free, online.

I also find it amusing, since your underlying contention is that webcams increase the security risk dramatically, that the US Capital has it's own public webcam, as does the White House (with multiple interior and exterior views), as does the National Park Service...and many other government agencies, all pointed at higher priority political and national targets than WDW.

Does that make them less safe? I don't think so. Our national defense / intelligence communities are working tirelessly to keep them safe (and kudos to them). A webcam isn't going to sidestep their mission nor aid a potential threat.

Also, the government and WDW security need to think in this doomsday attitude, pre 9/11 no one thought and this attitude and what happened? Thousands of innocent people lost their lives.

I somewhat agree. A "doomsday attitude" is required for any honest threat assessment, as it's a constant game of "what if" and "how". However...

I disagree that there were no threat assessments pre-9/11 (which is your assertion), nor do I agree with your implication that they were not taken seriously. In addition, your allegation casts aspersion on the military / law enforcement / intelligence personnel that worked pre-9/11 to keep our country safe. First, that's just not fair. Second, many of those same people worked post-9/11, and many of them, I would suspect, are still in service today, or recently retired.

There is, however, a fine line between reasonable precaution and overzealous enforcement. Especially when the enforcement itself becomes "security theater", and provides little to no real security at all, outside of the show. Or, more importantly, when the enforcement out-steps the bounds of legal / social contract authority, regardless of the legal machinations used to justify the behavior.

Just because Im ex-FBI and and all of my family work for government that means Im brainwashed? I have a sibling who is currently in New York serving with the FBI anti-terrorism unit and this is where I am getting this from...

Once again, I want to thank you and your family for their honorable service to keep our country safe from criminals and other risks.

It's people like you with your attitude that were serving in government pre 9/11 that caused those two towers to go down.

I mentioned earlier in this post commenting about threat assessments. Again, you make the assertion. But, the reason I quote this particular statement is in bold (oh wait...that's the whole statement).

Please, Let's not forget, it wasn't ignorance, poor attention or poor professionalism on the part of our National Security and Law Enforcement officers which "caused" 9/11 and the tragedy. It was, like any act of terror, an act of a group of cowardly and probably criminally insane people who were intent on causing the most pain and confusion they could with the least amount of expenditure, while hiding behind a shallow excuse of political and/or social reasons.

All of this taken into account, I fail to see how webcams at Disney are a major security threat, any more so than wifi, which they are actively rolling out and will enable facetime and ad-hoc skype (which can easily function as a "webcam" will cause them any threat beyond the vaguely potential one with may exist.

I hope you take my commentary with the respect and candor I feel as I write them. I wish you a good day, Sir.

 

[Epicpilot]

@Epicpilot...

Whilst I maintain respect for your passion for the subject, and you and your family's honorable service to our nation, I disagree with some of your assertions.



I agree. Is WDW a potential target? Yes. That is undeniable. However, there is nothing amazing or unique about this statement.

Any location where there is a large concentration of people are potential targets, and not just for terrorists. This includes places where we have already seen tragic attacks and attempted attacks around the world. Government buildings, churches, Times Square (thwarted by the ignorance of the attacker himself), schools, airplanes (shoe bomber restrained and stopped by fellow passengers), races / public gatherings (not stopped), public transportation (not stopped)...the list goes on, and many on the list include attempted attacks which were stopped due to valiant work by those in Law Enforcement and National Security (such as the attempted Capital bombing in Feb).

However, figuring out these potential targets does not take a malfeasant genius to figure out.



Funny, this didn't stop Disney from doing a webcam on their 24 hour event a few months ago. Also, there are plenty of sources outside of a webcam to figure these things out. I won't get into to much detail, but just imagine trying to plan a Disney trip around crowds, and what crowd size and traffic shaping tips and resources are available to you for free, online.

I also find it amusing, since your underlying contention is that webcams increase the security risk dramatically, that the US Capital has it's own public webcam, as does the White House (with multiple interior and exterior views), as does the National Park Service...and many other government agencies, all pointed at higher priority political and national targets than WDW.

Does that make them less safe? I don't think so. Our national defense / intelligence communities are working tirelessly to keep them safe (and kudos to them). A webcam isn't going to sidestep their mission nor aid a potential threat.



I somewhat agree. A "doomsday attitude" is required for any honest threat assessment, as it's a constant game of "what if" and "how". However...

I disagree that there were no threat assessments pre-9/11 (which is your assertion), nor do I agree with your implication that they were not taken seriously. In addition, your allegation casts aspersion on the military / law enforcement / intelligence personnel that worked pre-9/11 to keep our country safe. First, that's just not fair. Second, many of those same people worked post-9/11, and many of them, I would suspect, are still in service today, or recently retired.

There is, however, a fine line between reasonable precaution and overzealous enforcement. Especially when the enforcement itself becomes "security theater", and provides little to no real security at all, outside of the show. Or, more importantly, when the enforcement out-steps the bounds of legal / social contract authority, regardless of the legal machinations used to justify the behavior.



Once again, I want to thank you and your family for their honorable service to keep our country safe from criminals and other risks.



I mentioned earlier in this post commenting about threat assessments. Again, you make the assertion. But, the reason I quote this particular statement is in bold (oh wait...that's the whole statement).

Please, Let's not forget, it wasn't ignorance, poor attention or poor professionalism on the part of our National Security and Law Enforcement officers which "caused" 9/11 and the tragedy. It was, like any act of terror, an act of a group of cowardly and probably criminally insane people who were intent on causing the most pain and confusion they could with the least amount of expenditure, while hiding behind a shallow excuse of political and/or social reasons.

All of this taken into account, I fail to see how webcams at Disney are a major security threat, any more so than wifi, which they are actively rolling out and will enable facetime and ad-hoc skype (which can easily function as a "webcam" will cause them any threat beyond the vaguely potential one with may exist.

I hope you take my commentary with the respect and candor I feel as I write them. I wish you a good day, Sir.

I see your point here, now that I look back at what I was saying, I admit that I can't think why I made the webcams look like such a big threat I now basically have to say that webcams are better to be turned off for some security reasons and because it is a simple thing to do. As for 9/11 Yes it was the fault of the terrorists (there's a reason why were in there) part of the problem was so many threats from terrorist groups were dismissed or threats that were reviewed were not shared between agency's.