Why is Indiana Jones' intensity so inconsistent?

Rich T

Well-Known Member
Might have been a fluke; in the dozens of rides I've taken on Indy, the intensity's always been about the same. I've never had a ride that I'd call "slow FL dark ride" style. The main variation I've experienced is caused by seating; The middle seats are the tamest, while the front and back (and especially the corner seats) get the greatest arcs of movement.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Indiana Jones is an abosultely great attraction, but what always bugs me is how inconsistent the intensity of the ride is. I have been on it sometimes where the ride is going high speed and rocking back and forth like crazy, swaying a lot during the turns, etc. I have also been on the ride when it is has the same intensity of a slow Fantasyland Dark Ride (in which case the ride just becomes a fun house and loses its appeal). I have also seen everything in between.

Does the ride have settings that allow it to be less or more intense? Do they tone things down if the ride is in need of maintenance soon? Why is this ride so inconsistent? The reason it bothers me is because when the ride is high intensity it is easily my favorite ride in the park, however this seems to be rare.

The intensity of the attraction is intentionally randomized. There are a huge number of ride profiles-allegedly, many many more than any of the TOTs/GOTGs ever had, more also than Star Tours has alternate scenes too-and that can result in a vastly different experience when it comes to intensity. This was reportedly done to make the ride exciting for the large number of repeat visitors that DLR gets and make it more repeatable, as many of the attractions seen as too static and unchanging-Country Bears, America Sings, etc.-ultimately had low guest counts and were removed. That is also why the ride also has the changing door/Mara effect at the beginning of the ride.
 

shortstop

Well-Known Member
I've only ridden it once and I'm not sure if this is part of what you mean by "intensity" but it must have been the loudest theme park attraction I've ever been on. It was so loud it made me uncomfortable and actually hurt my ability to enjoy it.
I find Dinosaur as well as basically every ride at Uni to be much, much louder.
 

Rich T

Well-Known Member
The intensity of the attraction is intentionally randomized. There are a huge number of ride profiles-allegedly, many many more than any of the TOTs/GOTGs ever had, more also than Star Tours has alternate scenes too-and that can result in a vastly different experience when it comes to intensity. This was reportedly done to make the ride exciting for the large number of repeat visitors that DLR gets and make it more repeatable, as many of the attractions seen as too static and unchanging-Country Bears, America Sings, etc.-ultimately had low guest counts and were removed. That is also why the ride also has the changing door/Mara effect at the beginning of the ride.
The variations were a noble experiment, but I think they've learned that most guests (like 999 out of a thousand) simply don't notice any difference. The ride is so chaotic and fast-paced that some guests don't even notice the giant freaking cobra lunging at the vehicle or the ghost that appears overhead in the skull room, let alone the more subtle differences from one trip through to the next. Most guests will ride Indy once or twice a year, and most couldn't even name the order of scenes if you offered them a million dollars.
 

shambolicdefending

Well-Known Member
The variations were a noble experiment, but I think they've learned that most guests (like 999 out of a thousand) simply don't notice any difference.

It doesn't make a ton of difference for the average rider, but it was probably the best they could do with early 90s technology.

On a related note, I think I read somewhere (maybe on this forum) that Indiana Jones is still using the same operating software that it had on opening day. Basically a Windows 95 equivalent, and supposedly that has caused more stability problems over time.
 

DrAlice

Well-Known Member
I've only ridden it once and I'm not sure if this is part of what you mean by "intensity" but it must have been the loudest theme park attraction I've ever been on. It was so loud it made me uncomfortable and actually hurt my ability to enjoy it.

I hear you (pun intended ;))! My daughter (who is quite sound sensitive) HATES this ride for this reason. Even with ear protection on, she had her hands over her ears the entire time. The loading zone was even too much.

I'm not as sensitive as she is, but due to the "wall of sound" of the ride, once per trip is enough for me.
 

SuddenStorm

Well-Known Member
It's my understanding that when it opened, the vehicles would cycle through different randomizations creating a unique ride experience each time you ride. It's also my understanding that it was WAY more intense back in '95.

People still like to talk about how it's "random", but honestly, every time I've ridden it for the last few years it's been exactly the same.... and honestly a bit tame. I'm guessing they have it locked into a single ride profile, and tamed it down to make it easier on guests.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
Indiana Jones is an abosultely great attraction, but what always bugs me is how inconsistent the intensity of the ride is. I have been on it sometimes where the ride is going high speed and rocking back and forth like crazy, swaying a lot during the turns, etc. I have also been on the ride when it is has the same intensity of a slow Fantasyland Dark Ride (in which case the ride just becomes a fun house and loses its appeal). I have also seen everything in between.

Does the ride have settings that allow it to be less or more intense? Do they tone things down if the ride is in need of maintenance soon? Why is this ride so inconsistent? The reason it bothers me is because when the ride is high intensity it is easily my favorite ride in the park, however this seems to be rare.

The ride sequence, i have been told, was toned down dramatically compared to what it was like the first year or two it was open.
Used to be a lot wilder and 'rougher'...and Guests complained it was too much, so steps were taken to take a little of that roughness off.

However, depending on where you sit in the vehicle can effect how intense a experience you have.
Seating is EVERYTHING on many rides as you probably know.
IJA is no different.

'Choose wisely'....to quote a famous statement from the 3rd Indiana Jones film.

The two corner seats on either end of the back row of each Transport will give you the most thrilling ride every time.
I LOVE to be in the back, extreme right seat.
This is where the Imagineer who programmed the movements for the Transports sat to 'animate' the vehicles as they traversed the ride path.
You feel it !
:)

Front row, or center seats tend to be a little bit tamer in comparison, at least in my experiences.
Front row, behind the steering wheel or the extreme right seat in the front row are great for getting a excellent clear view of all the Show elements and sets.

You can request these specitifc seats from the CM at Load and they will place you in the right spot.
Single Riders however typcially have to take whatever they get....

Have a great expedition!
:)

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Disney Irish

Premium Member
On a related note, I think I read somewhere (maybe on this forum) that Indiana Jones is still using the same operating software that it had on opening day. Basically a Windows 95 equivalent, and supposedly that has caused more stability problems over time.

I think this is an urban myth. I highly doubt Disney would use any Consumer OS to run their attractions. They likely use PLCs in the attraction with custom software made by the PLC manufacturer (such as Siemens) to coordinate everything.
 

Frontierland's Finest

Active Member
I think this is an urban myth. I highly doubt Disney would use any Consumer OS to run their attractions. They likely use PLCs in the attraction with custom software made by the PLC manufacturer (such as Siemens) to coordinate everything.
Splash Mountain and BTMRR use Windows Vista on some of their ride computers, but I also doubt IJA would have computers stuck on IJA. That would be a security hazard.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Splash Mountain and BTMRR use Windows Vista on some of their ride computers, but I also doubt IJA would have computers stuck on IJA. That would be a security hazard.
It's actually the embedded versions of windows 7 or even 10. It's different from your home and professional versions. There is also a end of life cycle for those meaning Microsoft no longer supports them with their corporate user agreements after a certain date. Disney would have to upgrade to keep support.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It's actually the embedded versions of windows 7 or even 10. It's different from your home and professional versions. There is also a end of life cycle for those meaning Microsoft no longer supports them with their corporate user agreements after a certain date. Disney would have to upgrade to keep support.

Exactly, they would use Windows Embedded which would be customized for their use, and likely required by the PLC vendor. Its similar to what some ATMs use. And how some DVR systems using a custom Windows CE.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Even the front gates and fast pass machines use a customized version of windows embedded. You can even run windows embedded on a Raspberry PI computer. It doesn't have a full featured traditional desktop but does have all the other IT tools. They are probably running custom hardware and other CPUs too. It's not what you use at home.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Even the front gates and fast pass machines use a customized version of windows embedded. You can even run windows embedded on a Raspberry PI computer. It doesn't have a full featured traditional desktop but does have all the other IT tools. They are probably running custom hardware and other CPUs too. It's not what you use at home.

Yep, I've had the joy (or misfortune) to work on some systems with Windows Embedded install on it, such a pain.
 

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