Why is everyone so upset?!

[richiericher22]

There are many many many threads about how the ride refurbishments are bad. What's bad about them? Space Mountain looks better than ever, SSE is great- I still wish they kept the old finale along with the video, kind of make a combination with the two finale's, but I still love it. Stich's Great Escape is fun, and yes more, and more rides will be refurbished. Most people don't like them because they're accustomed to the old rides. The rides have to change to keep up with the generations. Also keep in mind, that the rides get new sponsors which is also a factor why the rides change.\

But it's been annoying me that people just don't seem too like the refurbishments.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Because we expect more out of the entertainment giant that is Disney.:wave:

 

[cdunbar]

This is one of those threads that won't end well....

 

[ChrisFL]

Most people don't like them because they're accustomed to the old rides. The rides have to change to keep up with the generations. Also keep in mind, that the rides get new sponsors which is also a factor why the rides change.

Ok, how do I say this lightly?

you're wrong.

Some of us have seen "the light"...we've seen what Disney can do when they're REALLY trying, and what we've seen at WDW lately, save for a few examples, is waaaaaay off the mark.

 

[Disney4Eva]

While I totally get your points (referring to the responses), I'm gonna have to say I agree with the OP. I don't think it's worth getting upset over. I loved the old stuff, and I know Disney can try harder, but my family & I still ride the new stuff and enjoy it on the whole. Especially since complaining and getting worked up isn't really gonna get anyone very far.

But this is a WDW discussion board, so if there's a place to mention something about the park that one disagrees with, then this is the place. So I certainly won't try to disrupt the flow. But I'm just letting the OP know I agree with them.

 

[rsoxguy]

Nothing good can come of this.

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

I can already tell this is going to become another Sweatshirtmom vs Fanboy thread.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

While I totally get your points (referring to the responses), I'm gonna have to say I agree with the OP. I don't think it's worth getting upset over. I loved the old stuff, and I know Disney can try harder, but my family & I still ride the new stuff and enjoy it on the whole. Especially since complaining and getting worked up isn't really gonna get anyone very far.

But this is a WDW discussion board, so if there's a place to mention something about the park that one disagrees with, then this is the place. So I certainly won't try to disrupt the flow. But I'm just letting the OP know I agree with them.

Trust me, if you think that this has anything to do with my "real" happiness or my outlook on life, it does not. In the slightest. This is for enjoyment, and though the WDC does do infuriatingly stupid things, it has no *real* tax on me or even my basic enjoyment of WDW.

 

[cdunbar]

Nothing good can come of this.

Yup...

 

[EpcotServo]

It's because people who like old things will never accept new things and people who like new things can't stand people who don't like new things, and the two parties overshadow the neutral party.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Just because the SSE refurb has nice new animatronics doesn't make it a successful refurb. They dumbed down the ride tremendously...

What was once a poetic, dramatic... epic narration and reading by Jeremy Irons is now a overly simplified, overly cheerful, and in some cases, stupid to the point of groan-inducing by Judi Dench (though its not her fault, they gave her a terrible script).

The musical score went from being a consistant one that progressed and grew as you progressed through time/the ride, reaching the "climax" at 180top, to the current one, which is just generic music related to each scene.

The previous ending, with the sweeping music and inspirational message that left me in teary-eyed every time, was removed (well, actually, covered with black curtains) so we can stare at a goofy, out of context flash cartoon THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE POST-SHOW ANYWAY, and doesn't even take advantage of the touch screen and questionairre. There are only like 4 endings and your input changes them very little.

El Rio Del Tiempo - became "Wheres Donald? Hey wheres Donald?? OH THERES DONALD LOL!" *end*

The Seas With Nemo and Friends - became "Wheres Nemo? Hey wheres Nemo? OH THERES NEMO LOL!" *end* (I admit this would be a decent ride for Fantasyland and it did bring attention to a dying pavillion, but its terribly out of place in Future World.)

TTA: I will compare a segment of the old narration with the new one:

old- "The centerpiece of Rockettower Plaza, is the League of Planets Astro Orbiter. This symbol of interplanetary fellowship and universal harmony provides all beings with an exhilerating spin around the planets."

new - "For a different high flying adventure, hop on board the Astro Orbiter! Take a spin around the planets!"
...

Not all refurbishments are bad. Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates, for example. Its when they take something that works and replace it with something that doesn't/caters to the lowest common denominator that we complain.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Just because the SSE refurb has nice new animatronics doesn't make it a successful refurb. They dumbed down the ride tremendously...

What was once a poetic, dramatic... epic narration and reading by Jeremy Irons is now a overly simplified, overly cheerful, and in some cases, stupid to the point of groan-inducing by Judi Dench (though its not her fault, they gave her a terrible script).

The musical score went from being a consistant one that progressed and grew as you progressed through time/the ride, reaching the "climax" at 180top, to the current one, which is just generic music related to each scene.

The previous ending, with the sweeping music and inspirational message that left me in teary-eyed every time, was removed (well, actually, covered with black curtains) so we can stare at a goofy, out of context flash cartoon THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE POST-SHOW ANYWAY, and doesn't even take advantage of the touch screen and questionairre. There are only like 4 endings and your input changes them very little.

El Rio Del Tiempo - became "Wheres Donald? Hey wheres Donald?? OH THERES DONALD LOL!" *end*

The Seas With Nemo and Friends - became "Wheres Nemo? Hey wheres Nemo? OH THERES NEMO LOL!" *end* (I admit this would be a decent ride for Fantasyland and it did bring attention to a dying pavillion, but its terribly out of place in Future World.)

TTA: I will compare a segment of the old narration with the new one:

old- "The centerpiece of Rockettower Plaza, is the League of Planets Astro Orbiter. This symbol of interplanetary fellowship and universal harmony provides all beings with an exhilerating spin around the planets."

new - "For a different high flying adventure, hop on board the Astro Orbiter! Take a spin around the planets!"
...

Not all refurbishments are bad. Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates, for example. Its when they take something that works and replace it with something that doesn't/caters to the lowest common denominator that we complain.

I agree 100000% with this post, though I don't hate SSE THAT much.:lookaroun:lol:


Nemo...however...

 

[cdunbar]

Nemo...however...

Poor fish Evan always has it out for him....:lookaroun

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

I know someone who would love this thread. Just to clear things they closed the ride for so long for what????. Just my opinion. It seems like disney does change something it isn't better and the progress is half Butt. Look at Epcot Center does that explain it.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Come again?

 

[Fantasmic]

Change is bad Mmmkay

 

[Figment632]

There are many many many threads about how the ride refurbishments are bad. What's bad about them? Space Mountain looks better than ever, SSE is great- I still wish they kept the old finale along with the video, kind of make a combination with the two finale's, but I still love it. Stich's Great Escape is fun, and yes more, and more rides will be refurbished. Most people don't like them because they're accustomed to the old rides. The rides have to change to keep up with the generations. Also keep in mind, that the rides get new sponsors which is also a factor why the rides change.\

But it's been annoying me that people just don't seem too like the refurbishments.

Don't worry about it it is all opinion but EE is right in some of the things you mentioned Disney is capable of being much better.

1. SSE is in no way awful and looks great. On the other side they along with Siemans are being cheap and didn't finish the ride.

2. SM whil it looks great they could have done better.

3. SGE on the other hand imo is the worst attraction ever produced by Disney. I would rather havecto do nothing but Sounds Dangerous and Narnia all day than do SGE once.

 

[chwilson88]

Change is bad Mmmkay

Love the South Park reference! :sohappy:

 

[chwilson88]

The previous ending, with the sweeping music and inspirational message that left me in teary-eyed every time, was removed (well, actually, covered with black curtains) so we can stare at a goofy, out of context flash cartoon THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE POST-SHOW ANYWAY, and doesn't even take advantage of the touch screen and questionairre. There are only like 4 endings and your input changes them very little.
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Agree, the drama is simply not there anymore..it is lost completely in the "america-is-dumb-enough-to-be-entertained-by-this - flash game"

TTA: I will compare a segment of the old narration with the new one:

old- "The centerpiece of Rockettower Plaza, is the League of Planets Astro Orbiter. This symbol of interplanetary fellowship and universal harmony provides all beings with an exhilerating spin around the planets."

new - "For a different high flying adventure, hop on board the Astro Orbiter! Take a spin around the planets!"
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Excellent comparison. This comparison you just made with TTA accurately depicts the "old disney" vs "new disney" comparison. It makes me mad to see the narration get so dumbed down and commercialized like that...

 

[Future Guy]

Some of it is that we remember a time before the Eisner-Pressler years when Disney was not afraid to be lofty and ambitious, and was not content simply to coast on its reputation. True, those two gentlemen (and by "gentlemen", I mean "Satan's Lambada partners") are gone, but I don't know if the damage they did will ever be undone.

However, some of the complaints I read on here remind me of some of the more fundamentalist Star Trek fans who hate the new J.J. Abrams movie with a passion. They'll go on forever about "canon violations" and arguments about how imaginary technology "really" works until it's blindingly obvious that these people compose such a tiny segment of the moviegoing public that it would never be remotely profitable to make a movie that caters to them. And even if someone did, they'd probably just angrily pick it apart, because they're the Star Trek Taliban and it's what they do.

The TTA is a good example. The folks who complain about the new audio track conveniently forget that prior to 1994 the WEDWay PeopleMover (as it was then known) had an audio track very similar to the one that's there now. If you look at the big picture, it's obvious that Disney didn't "ruin" it as much as return it to its pre-1994 form. "But no one complained about it in 1994!" you say. That's because the Internet was an embryo of its present self. If the Internet in its present form had existed back then, and everyone had access to it, there would have been no shortage of posts complaining of raped childhoods and accusing Michael Eisner of engaging in creatively deviant sexual practices.

I'll complain vociferously when Disney ignores maintenance and good show in favor of negligible financial savings, or when they change something that was perfectly good and popular just to create "synergy" with some new franchise they're trying to promote, but the mere fact that something has changed is not in itself a reason to complain. I'll at least try to experience the changed attraction for myself to see if I like it or not.