Practical Pig
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I've read about 2800 per hour, which isn't shabby. If that's reasonably accurate, it's more than the omnimover in the Haunted Mansion can handle.
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Why doesn't the world's top theme park operator know how to operate theme parks?
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I've read about 2800 per hour, which isn't shabby. If that's reasonably accurate, it's more than the omnimover in the Haunted Mansion can handle.
mickEblu
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Yeah that's not too bad. I guess the question is how much more capacity could that area bring if they turned it into a TL or FL expansion.
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I'll never be convinced that FP is to blame entirely (not that you said it was). Taking away FP might help, but the only effective way to control crowding anywhere is to limit how many people are allowed admittance. It's mind boggling to think that each year twice as many people visit DL Park today compared to the early 80s. Let that settle in for a minute. Imagine how much more enjoyable a day at the park would be if half the people were there.
It's hardly a casual coincidence that a 60 year old theme park continues to draw enormous crowds daily almost year-round. Disney has intentionally created this situation, evidence that making guest well-being and comfort isn't a top priority.
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Practical Pig
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Precisely. Throw in the subs, which may average around 850 GPH, and of course are wrapped up in some of the same real estate as Autopia, and Disney could certainly make better capacity use of that acreage.
I'm torn about that idea, since I have very fond memories of riding with our youngest during our first visit after he hit the height requirement, how excited he was, and his beaming grin when I told him how proud I was of him for his careful driving.
But with the crowding crisis now, it's past time for that space to be redeveloped.
mickEblu
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I'm also torn on this. I feel like any big change such as this would most likely be a mixed bag. On the bright side we would gain some new attractions and much needed capacity but it would most likely be a net loss on the charm scale between losing the lagoon next to the Matterhorn and a lot of the trees and old school charm of Autopia.
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Is it really that charming though? Enough to forever forget reorganizing the area in way that might absorb more people and help relieve crowding?
mickEblu
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No that's why I would sign off if it were me
Practical Pig
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The other issue with that acreage of course is the Monorail looping through it. I suspect the reason we haven't seen Autopia pass into Yesterland yet is the need to unravel these three attractions all packaged together in that real estate. I'll commit a little Disney blasphemy here, and say I'm willing to let go of that wonderful retro-future icon entirely.
Darkbeer1
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Remember that if Disney redevelops the area, and increases guest capacity, then the Fire Marshall allowed in number goes up, and then Disney can just sell more tickets to match the new capacity.
How do you think Disney plans to get their investment back from Galaxy Edge, more guests will be allowed in once it opens, so expect the same level of crowds, just more people trying to go up and down Main Street each day....
How do you think Disney plans to get their investment back from Galaxy Edge, more guests will be allowed in once it opens, so expect the same level of crowds, just more people trying to go up and down Main Street each day....
mickEblu
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They could just re route the monorail no? I would miss the lagoon but if some sort of body of water could stay next to the Matterhorn that would be cool.
mickEblu
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But how often does the park hit capacity now? If I'm not mistaken it's rare so I don't see how more capacity would change anything. If the park hits capacity it's because the demand has gone up because of SWL not because Disney can sell more tickets.
Disney Analyst
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I understand the lack of Fireworks, I believe the only reason they can run it all summer long every day and during Christmas/Spring Break is because of them not running it during the week in "Off Season", but there is no reason Fantasmic can't run. Parks are still packed, they should have a full entertainment roster minus the Fireworks.
Practical Pig
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They could, but where would it go instead? They could just edit that area out of the route, but what would that leave? That intertwined in-park section is the interesting part of the route IMO. Otherwise we see a lot of unthemed walls, landscaping and Anaheim. But I suppose that would probably be enough to preserve the icon.
And yeah, I'd miss the lagoon a lot. If the acreage was given over to a Fantasyland expansion, the lagoon could go with a Moana attraction very well.
Darkbeer1
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Fantasmic! requires about 100 CM's to run the show (Performers and tech folks, not Crowd Control). Performers get a higher wage than most in-park CM's, and as said, trying to get them to work non-typical hours is difficult. And you just can't throw someone new into the show, they need rehearsal time.
Practical Pig
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With SW:GE, they are adding acreage. Would the Fire Marshall's maximum capacity really go up if Disney simply made more efficient use of existing acreage? Asking 'cause I don't know.
And that Main Street bottleneck is really going to become a much bigger nightmare than it already is when SW:GE opens. When it was first announced, I was hoping they would add a SW village shopping district leading to a new park exit, a postern gate as it were, to relieve the pressure on Main Street.
Darkbeer1
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As for getting your monies worth, if you live close to Knott's, for $230 a year (can be split into monthly payments), you get Theme Park admission, unlimited soft drinks and 2 meals a day (limited items, must wait 4 hours between meals. Does not including parking, but one person in the group can get it for $65. Less than a dollar a day, not bad if you can just drop off the kids for a few hours. Heck, after school, the kids could stop in for a meal and soda until the parents return home. And free Wi-Fi to boot. (every day except Christmas)
Magic Mountain is even better if you take advantage of their Labor Day weekend sale. For about $160, you get admission to BOTH MM and the water park, 2 meals and a snack from a much wider choice of food and unlimited sodas (once again time limits apply), plus free parking. A bit harder to get to (not too many homes within walking distance), but now we are under 50 cents a day. (Must pay in full when ordered).
So you can get both, add Soak City to make 4 parks for less than a Disneyland 2 park SoCal pass, which is JUST admission and half the year blocked out.
Amazing to see Knott's the few days before the Disney blockout dates (slow), and then the few days after (a lot busier), as some folks in the OC area get a Disney SoCal pass and a Knott's pass.
I thought about getting the Knott's food option, but the items are not that great IMHO, I do get the Soda option though.
My Six Flags pass is the one mentioned, and it is good chainwide, and I don't visit as often as Knott's. But when you can get freshly battered Fish and Chips, Chicken Wings, Chinese meals, and much more, well it pays for itself after about 4 visits.
Plus as a parent, since everything is pre-paid, you don't have to give the kids any extra money.
Magic Mountain is even better if you take advantage of their Labor Day weekend sale. For about $160, you get admission to BOTH MM and the water park, 2 meals and a snack from a much wider choice of food and unlimited sodas (once again time limits apply), plus free parking. A bit harder to get to (not too many homes within walking distance), but now we are under 50 cents a day. (Must pay in full when ordered).
So you can get both, add Soak City to make 4 parks for less than a Disneyland 2 park SoCal pass, which is JUST admission and half the year blocked out.
Amazing to see Knott's the few days before the Disney blockout dates (slow), and then the few days after (a lot busier), as some folks in the OC area get a Disney SoCal pass and a Knott's pass.
I thought about getting the Knott's food option, but the items are not that great IMHO, I do get the Soda option though.
My Six Flags pass is the one mentioned, and it is good chainwide, and I don't visit as often as Knott's. But when you can get freshly battered Fish and Chips, Chicken Wings, Chinese meals, and much more, well it pays for itself after about 4 visits.
Plus as a parent, since everything is pre-paid, you don't have to give the kids any extra money.
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It kind of depends on what they replaced it with no? Some of the inspiring WDI designs I’ve seen online at HKDL and SDL (not to mention SW:GE) gives me hope for Anaheim’s Disneyland TL to finally move beyond retro hokey charm and nostalgia. I have doubts TDA will ever give up the corn completely though because it sells tickets.
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Darkbeer1
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The fire marshal number changes daily, and is based on a lot of factors, the numbers went done when they had to close areas like Critter Country. Also, every ride has an operating capacity, so something like the Railroad took over 1,000 of the allowable number, since each train seat counts, since the space is not accessible if not running, plus the queues.
So yes, a larger park with everything open should add at least 5,000 to the maximum capacity 9right now, it is about 60,000 with everything open.
Fantasmic! has no real impact on allowed capacity, as no new area is opened, just a change of use.
This is why guests must go through the exit turnstiles when the park is open, to keep track of those inside the park. At the end of the day, then they will open the flood (fire) gates, as it doesn't matter anymore.
Daily attendance of busy days is higher than the allowed capacity, as some folks leave earlier, allowing others in. New Year's Eve is a problem, since most folks enter early and stay in the park all day, which lowers the daily count.
DL just needs to start building up. Add new layers. Become the parking garage of theme parks. Then you can have TomorrowFloor and Main Street Lobby and Sleeping Beauty Atrium. Fireworks on the rooftop.