mickEblu
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That’s because she only exists in our imagination. Hahah.
I think Fantasmic would be a better show if we all used our imagination and “day”dreamed while staring at the still waters of the ROA.
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That’s because she only exists in our imagination. Hahah.
I think Fantasmic would be a better show if we all used our imagination and “day”dreamed while staring at the still waters of the ROA.
mickEblu
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That sounds right. Still don’t understand why the lead creative guy is confused on the lackluster response though.
Stevek
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Probably convinced himself that folks were looking for that type of immersion. How is it at the Potter lands? I know the shop keepers, at least Ollivanders Wand Shop, do the immersive character thing. Maybe they figured SW fans would want the same thing?
mickEblu
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I visited Potter land in USH which from what I understand is the inferior one. It was also extremely hot that August day so it didn’t help the snowy rooftop/ Foggy “London” / Potter theme. With that said, it is whimsical and is a place I enjoyed walking around in.... once. I am not the biggest Potter fan (did a marathon of all the movies once) but I did enjoy most of them. I like the pub/ restaurant as that is some place I would definitely want to visit in real life. I can’t remember all the details but feel that it is much more “Disney” than the more visually Impressive yet drab and boring Galaxies Edge restaurant. The wand experience didn’t do anything for me. I think this next level of hyper real immersion cosplaying at theme parks isn’t really for me. I just want to be transported to a fun, pleasant, and/ or beautiful place that stimulates my senses. For me this can be done with the architecture, music, food, kinetic energy, landscaping and rides. These “bright suns” and wand experiences don’t do anything for me and in a way take away from the experience for me as they are overdone, forced, and are too difficult to pull off convincingly. Let the attractions be the portals into that level of immersion. At the land level it’s too complicated to execute right.
Overall, I enjoyed the theme and facades/ architecture of the Harry Potter land at USH yet the layout wasn’t very impressive to me. I didn’t have all that much fun and its not really a place I want to hang out in.
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SoCalMort
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And, to a certain degree, they are doing just that.....except it isn't a substitute for a trained actor interacting with guests.
BTW, I chuckled last year when, in one of the caverns on TSI: PL I encountered a cluster of DisneyBounding Jedis with glowing light sabers holding some sort of meeting talking in whispers.
mickEblu
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Got in once and never had the urge to go again. You either get to stand at a table as you spend money on your overly sweet watered down drinks or share a booth with strangers. Not the kind of experience I was looking for.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Reminds me of a Saturday night at a club....
mickEblu
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Yup And that’s why I was never into Clubs... especially in LA. Not really my scene. Can’t remember ever sharing a booth at a club in LA though. Now in Sicily on the beach or in the middle of these rolling hills overlooking a Greek temple lit up on another hill in the distance... those clubs I like.
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Then you weren't doing the booth experience at the right clubs then....
Gotta love the VIP booth experience....
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
Then you weren't doing the booth experience at the right clubs then....
Gotta love the VIP booth experience....
VIP booth with strangers? How is that VIP
EDIT: haha just got the joke. I don’t mind those strangers.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Have you never been invited or been the one inviting into a VIP booth? Its great, especially if you're the one inviting the various club goers that you want to interact with. Gotta love the bottle service....
mickEblu
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Ok never mind my last edit to my last post. I thought I got your joke but apparently not
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Hookup central my friend.....
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Now those other clubs VIP areas are good too, but that'll cost you extra....
Zorro
Active Member
Immersion seems to be the current buzz word, but I think there's something of a disconnect between what fans and imagineers conceive of when that word is used. Let me use Indiana Jones as an example for a moment. For IJA, we want to be in an adventure with Indy at the focus, but do we really want to be immersed in Indy's world? Remember, his adventures and encounters with the supernatural, commies, etc. would only constitute a small percentage of his day to day life. We also expect that Indy pays his taxes, teaches dry college classes, does laundry, gripes about politics (get a load of FDR trying to pack the Supreme Court), and listens to Ben Bernie on the radio (Yowsah Yowsah Yowsah). Is that what we want for IJA? To be truly immersed in a real life setting, that's what we should expect. In other words, mostly mundane and little adventure.
To bring this to SW, when fans say they want immersion, I don't think they want conformity to real life. They essentially want to be in a middle of a movie. They want the dramatic John Williams music underscoring their actions, wise-cracks from the colorful characters surrounding them, hot chicks in metal bikinis needing to be rescued, space explosions, over the top villains vowing eternal retribution, light sabers blaring, ewoks serving barbecue, and Diahann Carroll performing for appreciative wookies. They don't expect to be deposited in the middle of a depressing and desolate outpost on garbage pickup day. I think it was the height of futility for the Disney imagineers to attempt to present a so-called real life view of the SW universe because real life sensibilities don't apply to something that is a glorified comic book. Ironically, the type of immersion that would have been desired has already been provided. It's called Star Tours. In other words, something that we have had since the Reagan administration. ST provided all the SW experiences anyone really needs in a theme park excursion. If you want something more, go home and put the DVD in your machine. In my opinion, Galaxy's Edge is extraneous and should provide a lot of fodder for future imagineers of pit falls to be avoided.
To bring this to SW, when fans say they want immersion, I don't think they want conformity to real life. They essentially want to be in a middle of a movie. They want the dramatic John Williams music underscoring their actions, wise-cracks from the colorful characters surrounding them, hot chicks in metal bikinis needing to be rescued, space explosions, over the top villains vowing eternal retribution, light sabers blaring, ewoks serving barbecue, and Diahann Carroll performing for appreciative wookies. They don't expect to be deposited in the middle of a depressing and desolate outpost on garbage pickup day. I think it was the height of futility for the Disney imagineers to attempt to present a so-called real life view of the SW universe because real life sensibilities don't apply to something that is a glorified comic book. Ironically, the type of immersion that would have been desired has already been provided. It's called Star Tours. In other words, something that we have had since the Reagan administration. ST provided all the SW experiences anyone really needs in a theme park excursion. If you want something more, go home and put the DVD in your machine. In my opinion, Galaxy's Edge is extraneous and should provide a lot of fodder for future imagineers of pit falls to be avoided.
Figments Friend
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You forgot to mention that while standing at said table, people are typically squished together tightly per table with just enough room on the table in front of you for maybe two drink glasses.
Maybe two...
I visited WDW's version and while I am glad I did and enjoyed my fruit juice drink and crisp snack dish it was a bit .....uncomfortable table wise.
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Figments Friend
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I remember that.
Not 100% sure, but I think it was part of the presentation done during the big 'Galaxy's Edge' panel at the D23 Expo that year.
I remember the buzz it created here long ago....everyone was hypothesizing on how some of these elements would be done tech wise.
Lots of cool interactive things that were brought up in that video / presentation that never came to be.
Here are the ones I recall that had the fans really salivating over -
'Interactive' lightsaber effects and 'Force powers' that could be triggered around the land ( similar to Univeral's 'magic wand' effects in TWWoHP).
Bounty hunters, aliens, and citizens of Batuu ( CMs ) being able to ID you by name and comment on your recent adventures with 'insider' knowledge.
Your experience within the land being determined by how high you scored or how well you flew the Falcon.
Perform well, you are treated as a hero and reap the acclaim and rewards....or perform roughly and 'pay' the penalty or be sought by bounty hunters.
Aliens, creatures, and Droids in various interactive forms. ( live performers and remote controlled units ).
Personalized experiences.
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TP2000
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That's because they were trying to cram the capacity (and the per cap spending) of a large supper club into a small tavern.
It felt cramped and uncomfortable and slightly socially awkward, because it actually was all of those things. WDI is as much to blame for that as the Ops teams who were trying to meet sky high hourly sales goals.
Bob Chapek is ultimately responsible for that mess, but he honestly doesn't care.
Figments Friend
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Yep.
It was indeed 'awkward'.
Imagine a mature forty somethin' fine lady such as myself smushed between a group of erratic twenty something boys with gushing hormones along with their young equally tizzy girlfriends.
You had maybe the space of a pet carrier to turn around in, and no elbow room.
We all had to stand sideways to 'fit' comfortably.
Comfortably..?
Hmmm....not the right word.
'Tolerably' would be more appropriate.
I enjoyed the interior, the droid DJ ( a bit loud for this 'old lady' ), and my frosty Jabba Juice.
The 'Batuu Bits' crunchy snacks were surprisingly very tasty....they should sell those bagged in the Park!
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Phroobar
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I bet none of them have ever heard of Tony Baxter. Heathens....