Why are you allowed to keep your bag between the bag check and the metal detector?

[Chef Mickey]

Airport security is not even in the same ballpark as “not perfect.” We’re talking about a system that fails more than 80% of its own testing. In any other field that isn’t even close to mediocre performance, much less perfect performance.

You're too focused on the airport piece. I'm talking about checking every person and every bag with machines and metal detectors.

It's not that I don't agree it's garbage, but one of the main items that can't be in WDW are guns. Every person walking through a metal detector and every bag being scanned are 2 ways to improve that. Today, that's not happening.

Airport security is poorly implemented. WDW can use the same equipment and implement it far better than a government agency.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Every guest not going through the detector is where the risk occurs - not the in between moment IF you are going through the metal detector.

But it's still security theater. Getting guns or explosives into the park, through security, is still easy.

Also unnecessary. If anyone wants to get guns or explosives into the park they have miles and miles of unpatrolled perimeter all around the property. It's not a military camp.

 

[Maeryk]

I'm always pulled out of line to go through the metal detector. Always! I'll be happy when we all have to go through because then I won't feel so embarrassed. And I never have a bag, either! But I'm transporting god knows what in my non-cargo shorts.

I kept getting pulled on my last trip, so I just started "not hearing" the guy and being fixated on something ahead.. not once did they chase me down and make me do it.

Course.. only Disney would hand out pins to guests that set off their own metal detectors.

 

[Maeryk]

If there was an attack it most likely would be outside a park like outside of the turnstyles of a park, hotel, or near transportion like on a bus or monorail.

And this is one of the reasons that security checks are being spread out, and are being redesigned to keep from having a massive throng of people lined up outside the park, where an attack, god forbid, would be more successful.

Disney has an amazing amount of behind the scenes security going on. You are on camera just about everywhere, there are live people watching you far more than you think, and there are other features as well that people don't even know about because they are completely passive and unobtrusive.

Their "security" starts from the moment you drive on property, and continues until you leave, and is not limited solely to the parks.

The current bag and security checks find things like weapons and torches, and drugs all the time. And that's what they are there for. Can someone with a pistol concealed on their person pass the bag check, manage not to get pulled for metal detector, and still get it in? Sure. Have there likely been thousands and thousands of pistols carried through Disney over the years without incident? yup.

Moving the checkpoints to where you board each means of transportation means they can be more thorough, and check each guest, rather than playing hit or miss.

Don't even get me started on the people who don't know how to set up a bag for inspection, or simply refuse to do so, or the wide variance in "security" guards.. we had one guy who just peeked into a full backpack and waved us in, and another who must have been having a bad day and decided to have the whole thing dumped out, and everything that opened, be opened. Like.. down to a compact and a sunglasses case.

And the jackarse at the International Gateway.. we went through the whole bloody pat down routine, bag check, everything, and he asked what was in the cup I was drinking... (it was a drink from Stormalong bay).. "Sorry, you can't bring a drink into the park". Sir.. I can buy one.. right there, in world showcase". "Rules are rules.. you should have just said soda." Really? The guy just advised us to LIE to security? So we walked to the benches right there, finished the drink, threw it away, went back to him.. and he made us do the whole bag check thing again.. it was completely infuriating.

 

[larryz]

I kept getting pulled on my last trip, so I just started "not hearing" the guy and being fixated on something ahead.. not once did they chase me down and make me do it.

Course.. only Disney would hand out pins to guests that set off their own metal detectors.

Conversely, on my latest trip, I was bagless and waltzed thru the "no bag" line at AK. Caught the eye of a security lady at the magnetometer and pointed at it... she just shook her head and waved me on in.

 

[LUVofDIS]

Just curious because I am not sure what the problem is with that. The bag has already been checked and unless you stand there in front of everybody and transfer stuff from your pockets to the bag before going through the detector, what is going to happen that is such a huge security risk? Wouldn't you have to hold the bag while your are going through the detector? If so, wouldn't that be a step up security setup? Besides it would be a miracle if there weren't a bunch of tourist looking people watching everyone between the two locations.

With all the commotion going on I could take something from my waistband or pockets and put it in my bag. After my camera bag gets checked, I usually go off to the side to close it up. I do this so that I don't hold up someone else. At this time I could easily transfer something to my bag.

With all that said, I agree with your later post that even if the entrances were totally secured, that there are points around the perimeter that could be accessed. I thought about that with the fences during our last trip, just throw something over to someone on the other side, or even breach the fence.

 

[drp4video]

Yes, Universal makes everyone go through a metal detector which seems like a stepped up security, but I have to say that in May, I went through Universal's metal detector and set it off as I have had my hips replaced. I told them I had them replaced, expecting to be wanded, but they just said, ok,, go ahead. So much for better security. (note this happened the one time I was selected to go through the metal detector at WDW as well).

 

[thomas998]

WDW will soon have full Airport security, which is a good thing.

Not a good thing a pain in the backside that will never stop someone that really wants to commit a terrorist act. In fact full airport style security will simply make an act of terrorism easier as the huge group of people waiting in line is a much better target than any place you might find in the park. Only area that might give you as many people would be in front of the castle during a show... But why would a terrorist bother with that if they can simply set off a bomb among hundreds of people stalled out in front of metal detectors.

 

[thomas998]

Yes, Universal makes everyone go through a metal detector which seems like a stepped up security, but I have to say that in May, I went through Universal's metal detector and set it off as I have had my hips replaced. I told them I had them replaced, expecting to be wanded, but they just said, ok,, go ahead. So much for better security. (note this happened the one time I was selected to go through the metal detector at WDW as well).

Be glad they aren't more diligent, the last time I did Six Flags they had detector set on maximum sensitivity and refused to simply use a wand, it was a continued okay what else can you take off, maybe its your belt... go through again... still sets it off... okay maybe its your ring... okay... sets off again... maybe its rivets on your jeans... 4 times of removing more things and it still continued to go off until they finally wand me, still can't find anything that is setting it off but eventually say the detector must be too sensitive... and at that time the lines are terribly long because everyone is setting them off... If they try to be diligent you'll end up waiting in line longer to get in the park than you do waiting for a ride on the mine train.

 

[mkt]

Yes, Universal makes everyone go through a metal detector which seems like a stepped up security, but I have to say that in May, I went through Universal's metal detector and set it off as I have had my hips replaced. I told them I had them replaced, expecting to be wanded, but they just said, ok,, go ahead. So much for better security. (note this happened the one time I was selected to go through the metal detector at WDW as well).

Because again, security theater. Although at Universal, by virtue of having only one main entrance for guests, it's a bit harder to sneak things in. I'm not sure if UO resort guests who use water transportation are screened though.