1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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When Disneyland reopens, it's going to have even more of a privilege problem - SF Gate
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Californian Elitist
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Oh, I agree. I’m not saying it like it’s a bad thing. I can afford to go to Disneyland. I’m most likely going to Jamaica this summer and I’ll be in Boston this June for a friend’s wedding. I will be paying for these trips with my own money. Those are privileges, yes, but I don’t feel bad about being able to do those things. I work to be able to do the things that I want to do and I don’t feel shame about that.
Since we’re at pre-K levels and can apparently only look at pretty pictures without doing any research for ourselves.Those cars don't have night vision radar that can take over control of the car's steering and braking from you to prevent an accident when a child steps out in front of you in the dark. Let alone sense what the car behind you is doing, and respond accordingly.
Those cheaper cars do have extra cost option packages that provide beeps and warning lights to help change lanes and alert the driver of stopped cars, or some have an automatic brake if they sense a large object ahead of you, but they don't have autonomous steering and driving controls that take over in an emergency. Or take over when you're just driving down to Ralph's.
The more money you spend on a new car, the more safety equipment you get. Privilege!
The more money you spend on entertainment, the better the theme park you visit is. Privilege!
Here’s the civic, with it's standard package containing exactly what you said it didn't.
The others are the same, no matter how confidently you say something it doesn't make it true.
I STILL FAIL TO SEE HOW THIS RELATES TO DISNEYLAND AT ALL.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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They are going to be the new AUTOPIA cars.
At least a good joke came out of this thread.
We all know autopia isn't getting touched any time soon lol.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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TP2000
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I think you are being taken in by the marketing and can't differentiate between blinky lights and bing-bong sounds and a car that actually takes over all driving, steering and braking for you if it detects a small problem ahead or behind. Or, if you just want to waft down the hill to Ralph's without doing much, it can do that for you too.
We are talking about privilege. Disneyland has a Privilege Problem because it's expensive, per this article and thread.
A year ago I bought a fancy car. It has vastly more safety technology and keeps me far safer than the average Honda Civic or Chevy Malibu. Thus, I am inherently safer driving down the road in my car than someone who can only afford to drive a Civic or Malibu. So does a person who can't afford an expensive car deserve that safety technology? Does a person who can only afford a ticket to Castle Park deserve to go to Disneyland? What defines privilege, and is privilege a problem?
Your reply would be appreciated.
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TP2000
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I agree with that! It's an incredible privilege. We should never lose sight of that, although I think the AP program of the last decade helped muddy that message to the point that many folks in SoCal thought they should always be able to get into Disneyland year-round for cheap.
We enjoy many, many privileges in 21st century America that several Billion other humans on the planet could never dream of. This is why so many people lie or cheat to get into this country, because they know it's the greatest in the world and offers many, many privileges.
The ability to save up some money and go to Disneyland is just one of many of those privileges.
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"can provide steering assistance"
"automatically applying brake pressure"
"adjust steering to keep in a lane"
All of that is not marketing BS, you would know this if you looked at the links I provide you, or even do a little research yourself. But like always you can't even bother to do that.
The NHTSA actually has standardized terms for all of this. "Assist" only is used when the vehicle actively changes something. "Warning" or "Detection" is only used when it alerts the driver of something.
I think you're jumping in, not knowing what you're talking about while trying to make some random point.
As a person who has driven with that exact system in that exact car, yes it will steer for you. I'd also like to point out, radar never assists with steering like you said in your first message. Radar is only for distance (and using math, speed), it can't differentiate lines on the road, that is all handled visually in current gen cars.
Is safety a privilege or a right? Is that what you are asking, or is this somehow about Disneyland still?
As said earlier, and you seemed to agree, that going to Disneyland is a privilege.
Driving a car is also a privilege, one that can be revoked by the state for a number of things.
I still don't understand your point though. You're trying to argue against...what?
Should Disney roll out an equity metric for tickets? Is that what you are asking? In a capitalist world, you can charge whatever you want for your service, only as limited by the Government. If you are asking "is having money a privilege" then yes?
You're creating a straw man, just like this article, to try and beat into the ground. Nothing can be politically free to you, then you will try and go "nu-uh you said it, I just implied it." The article had the word "privilege" in it exactly once as posted by Darkbeer. But as always you come in, pull out a single word and decide that's your target to promote. Standard operating procedure at this point.
Your response without diverting the question to some other random topic, or straw manning the argument I give would be appreciated.
TP2000
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Your response without diverting the question to some other random topic, or straw manning the argument I give would be appreciated.
My response is that my car is better and safer than a Honda Civic. Because my car is way more expensive than a Honda Civic.
Also, my car has a smellitizer in the glovebox that provides me with a custom scent, currently Fireside Mood.
Also, Disneyland is way better than Castle Park. Some people can't afford Disneyland. The leftist media (and many college kids) thinks privilege is bad. I don't think privilege is bad at all, I just think it's privilege. It's something to work and strive for!
Mhmm, no good response so you just reiterate random crap about your car, throw a random nugget in about Disney, then attack "the leftist media" for some reason, when your first reply had double the usage of the word "privilege" than the article and call it good.
TP2000
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Mhmm, no good response so you just reiterate random crap about your car, throw a random nugget in about Disney, then attack "the leftist media" for some reason, when your first reply had double the usage of the word "privilege" than the article and call it good.
Did you not read the article? Do you not see what this thread's title is called?
I'm at a loss here. And I'm even in a fabulous mood and enjoying a delicious Friday nightcap in the family beach house.
Disney Analyst
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As a clear outsider looking in, who loves Disneyland.
I have to agree.
And perhaps it’s because I dream of having a place like Disneyland in my backyard (Canada is so boring when it comes to theme parks, amusement parks etc.) but I often feel there is a certain
attitude from the locals.
“This is my park. It’s my right to come here everyday for as cheap as possible”.
I am not saying it’s all, but it’s the vibe I get. Disneyland is an amazing place, a historic monument. But it is a privilege, and first and foremost a business.
Disney wants to cater to people like myself, who are going to come in for several days, stay in a hotel, and buy 3-5 day park tickets, and they want the guests like me to have a better guest experience then what happens when the Friday night mall crowd shows up.
Honestly; you are all just lucky to be able to visit Disneyland throughout the year as you see fit. And there will be discount offers for locals again.
CaptinEO
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According to the CEO, people who went to the parks on a less crowded day spent more and increased their revenue. I think this will carry over with their future approaches to attendance.
There is a sweet spot where they can have a certain number of people and have high revenue.
There is a sweet spot where they can have a certain number of people and have high revenue.
TP2000
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Yeah. Previously those days were called "Block Out Saturdays".
But now they have a golden chance to make those days far more numerous and far more profitable.
Although, referring to a private business pricing it's product at a level the free market can bear as a "Privilege Problem" doesn't help.
There is no problem here at all, privileged or otherwise. Disneyland is merely a private company charging a price for its product that it feels the free market can bear, and will pay for. Hell, this product isn't even a requirement, nor is it an extra safety feature on a car that can help save lives.
Disneyland is nothing but decadent, luxurious waste and no one has a human right to access it. Yet the media now calls that concept "privilege".
Nirya
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Sadly, I do.
There are younger people in this forum that think not only does the federal government control the means of production for the US pharmaceutical industry and their Covid vaccines, but that the US President has the power to limit interstate travel and commerce.
In addition to apparently no longer teaching Civics in American high schools, they also apparently no longer teach basic economics and the principles of capitalism. I have no idea what they teach in high school now?! Rythmic dance? Pottery? Emotional Poetry?
I don't know why I'm choosing to do this, but here we go.
First, the federal government does have the power to regulate interstate commerce and travel if they deem necessary. It is a power specifically granted by the Constitution (Commerce clause), and has held up as case law as early as the John Marshall court. The federal government does not have the power to regulate intrastate travel and commerce, but anything between the states can be regulated by the federal government which, for those of you who failed your government class like so many of you apparently did, includes the President.
Second, the federal government does actually have the power to control the means of production through a few means. First, thanks to the National Emergencies Act, the President has vast, sweeping powers over various aspects related to said emergencies. The COVID-19 pandemic has qualified under this act thanks to President Trump, who officially declared it an emergency last March. Thanks to that declaration still being in effect, the federal government has a lot of leeway when it comes to using money to secure more vaccines and controlling their distribution.
To go even further, you have the Defense Production Act, which is the successor to the War Powers Act that existed during World War II. Thanks to this act, the President, essentially through executive action, can do a lot of things. I'm just going to quote this section from the Council of Foreign Relations to explain it:
To break it down for people who, again, clearly failed their government class, the president can force American companies to prioritize the United States, and can essentially dictate the terms on what these countries produce. For example, Trump used the DPA to order GM to produce ventilators in the early stages of the pandemic. Usually these companies work with the federal government to make sure these terms are something they can live with, but essentially these acts give the federal government the power to, as the kids say, seize the means of production.
What is funny though is that this isn't a new thing? These various acts, and how they allow the federal government to pump money into the economy and various businesses willing to play ball with them, are how the country has existed for a long time. Its these Acts that helped the United States win in World War II and build a strong economy (well, that and being the only major world economy not to see any fighting on their home soil, but that's another story). The idea that the United States has a pure market economy has always been a lie - we've had a mixed economy for generations that incorporates elements of capitalism along with socialism.
But again, those of you who totally didn't fail your government and economics classes would know all of this.
CaptinEO
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You are totally right about that. Block Out Saturdays were the only days I would visit, and they were always a pleasure to attend.Yeah. Previously those days were called "Block Out Saturdays".
But now they have a golden chance to make those days far more numerous and far more profitable.
Although, referring to a private business pricing it's product at a level the free market can bear as a "Privilege Problem" doesn't help.
There is no problem here at all, privileged or otherwise. Disneyland is merely a private company charging a price for its product that it feels the free market can bear, and will pay for. Hell, this product isn't even a requirement, nor is it an extra safety feature on a car that can help save lives.
Disneyland is nothing but decadent, luxurious waste and no one has a human right to access it. Yet the media now calls that concept "privilege".
EPCOTCenterLover
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A Disney theme park day or vacation is a luxury and not a right. Compare us to the Majority World, and it’s hard to argue otherwise.
TP2000
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Not only that, there are various levels of privilege within that Disneyland vacation.
Are you staying at the Motel 6, or are you staying at the Grand Californian in a 2 bedroom suite with club level access?
Are you waiting in Standby, or did you buy Maxpass? Are you trying to manage your Maxpass App, or did you pay for a private CM tour guide to whisk you in through the exit at any ride you want?
Did you smuggle in a sandwich in your backpack, or are you having a 4 course meal with wine pairings at Carthay Circle?
All of that is "privilege". The fact that "privilege" is considered by some to be a dirty word and something to be ashamed of is troubling to me. Privilege is not a problem, it is simply how a free market economy works and makes it efficient.