When did the practice of stopping rides for wheelchairs start?

TotallyBiased

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I'm trying to imagine how loading would work WITHOUT stopping... bob sled run style? Tuck & roll? Caber toss?

Figure as long as they're letting those with severe mobility disabilities ride, it'd REQUIRE a stop IMO. Were they barring those from riding before 1990? @Lady Liberty
 

tcool123

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Our first trip was 95 when DW got out of rehab from losing the use of her legs from MS. At that time she was in a w/c that I pushed. She could transfer out onto the ride cars with my help. They would stop the ride long enough for me to get her on and off the rides. Now she’s in a power chair from progressive weakness from MS and they stop for her loading on and off. It’s not a lengthy stoppage but she can enjoy the things the chair can load on and off with specially build ride cars to handle the chair with her still in it. Unfortunately there are few too many attractions on property with these cars for her to enjoy those things she could. Disney should provide more access on those rides w/c users could enjoy.
Every omnimover should have a wheelchair car similar to Mermaid and Nemo. There’s no excuse for rides like Buzz, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth and Figment to not have a roll in option. I’d imagine Peter Pan’s Flight could also manage it would just be tricky given the aerial track.

Honestly I’m shocked that Runaway Railway didn’t have a roll in cart upon opening, wheelcahirs have their own loading area why not a wheelchair specific car? I imagine Ratatouille is going to be a similar situation, but it truly cant be that hard for a roll in car to exist if rides like Toy Story Mania, Jungle Cruise, and Kilimanjaro Safaris so can all these others.

I'm trying to imagine how loading would work WITHOUT stopping... bob sled run style? Tuck & roll? Caber toss?

Figure as long as they're letting those with severe mobility disabilities ride, it'd REQUIRE a stop IMO. Were they barring those from riding before 1990? @Lady Liberty
Nemo is able to load without stopping the ride vehicle it sees cast members handling the wheelchair as they get the wheelchair onto a car. The car itself has a ramp that swings out onto the moving walkway allowing for a wheelchair to glide right in.

Not in the same vein but in Star Tours (Terminal B) they are able to detach the armrest on the left most chair allowing for guest to more easily slide into that seat if possible.
 

TotallyBiased

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Nemo is able to load without stopping the ride vehicle it sees cast members handling the wheelchair as they get the wheelchair onto a car. The car itself has a ramp that swings out onto the moving walkway allowing for a wheelchair to glide right in.

Not in the same vein but in Star Tours (Terminal B) they are able to detach the armrest on the left most chair allowing for guest to more easily slide into that seat if possible.

I'm not sure if I've ridden Nemo, though I do vaguely remember some people mover with lots of screens. I'll have to pay closer attention next time I'm down.

Yeah ST is stopped anyway, that doesn't pose much of a technical/timing issue as a moving queue.
 

Whippet Mom

Active Member
This is a question I've been wondering for a while. When did the practice of stopping rides for people in wheelchairs to take extra time to board them begin? Was there an incident that lead to this practice?
Nothing new, it has been like that for years and years. Yes, some disabled need help to get from their wheelchair to the ride car and back out at the end..
 

Whippet Mom

Active Member
Im actually shocked disney hasnt made special ride vehicles that are easier for people in emvs or wheel chairs (or just old and slower) to get into. While this might not be feasible for all rides, any of the new rides you would think could have 1 out of 10 vehicles have that ability for easier entry, or some kind of spot (such as flight of passage) where they can sit in their emv or wheelchair with 3d glasses and still enjoy the attraction. At this point most movie theaters and stadiums have special areas.
They're actually are many rides that are accessible by wheelchair and have special cars. I agree there should be more.
 

JIMINYCR

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Every omnimover should have a wheelchair car similar to Mermaid and Nemo. There’s no excuse for rides like Buzz, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth and Figment to not have a roll in option. I’d imagine Peter Pan’s Flight could also manage it would just be tricky given the aerial track.

Honestly I’m shocked that Runaway Railway didn’t have a roll in cart upon opening, wheelcahirs have their own loading area why not a wheelchair specific car? I imagine Ratatouille is going to be a similar situation, but it truly cant be that hard for a roll in car to exist if rides like Toy Story Mania, Jungle Cruise, and Kilimanjaro Safaris so can all these others.


Nemo is able to load without stopping the ride vehicle it sees cast members handling the wheelchair as they get the wheelchair onto a car. The car itself has a ramp that swings out onto the moving walkway allowing for a wheelchair to glide right in.

Not in the same vein but in Star Tours (Terminal B) they are able to detach the armrest on the left most chair allowing for guest to more easily slide into that seat if possible.
They're actually are many rides that are accessible by wheelchair and have special cars. I agree there should be more.
Yes... Exactly. There is no reason more attractions cant be fit with accessible features. Ever since DW and I started WDW trips Ive seen Disney get more and more disabled friendly.
 

Jon Good

Member
I use to work for WDW attractions and many of the rides were either slowed down or stopped to put wheelchair parties on. At Big Thunder Mountain we would drop the fifth train so we had more loading time in the station. At Spaceship Earth we could slow the ride to half speed or completely stop the ride to allow for extra loading time. All of the attractions have something like this.
 

JIMINYCR

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Yes... Exactly. There is no reason more attractions cant be fit with accessible features. Ever since DW and I started WDW trips Ive seen Disney get more and more disabled friendly.
Just wanted to add that DW's service dog also is able to ride in the accessible cars with her. Depending on the ride car set up, they have me pre load and bring the dog on until DW loads or they load her with the dog together. On the Safari ride truck they tether the dog on his collar with a second leash attached to the w/c tie downs.
 

muddyrivers

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Honestly I’m shocked that Runaway Railway didn’t have a roll in cart upon opening, wheelcahirs have their own loading area why not a wheelchair specific car? I imagine Ratatouille is going to be a similar situation, but it truly cant be that hard for a roll in car to exist if rides like Toy Story Mania, Jungle Cruise, and Kilimanjaro Safaris so can all these others.
I haven't been on RR so I may not be understanding what you are saying, but by not having a special roll in car and rather a separate load area, I would think it gives Disney more flexibility in handling wheelchair people as they do not need to wait for a specific car to load them into. Rather, they can have any car sent onto the side track to load in a wheelchair party thereby allowing multiple parties to be on the ride at once.

It may actually be more beneficial in terms of capacity to not have specific roll in cars. Does it make the experience better or more convenient for the guest though? I really don't know and couldn't even venture a guess as I haven't experienced it for myself.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I totally agree. If it is not technically feasible, I think Disney should build spaces for rides where those who cannot ride can at least enjoy the attraction experience via a video to get a relative feel of the ride experience. I believe Finding Nemos Subs in Disneyland allows "landlubbers" to watch footage without getting into the vehicle itself.

 

tcool123

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I haven't been on RR so I may not be understanding what you are saying, but by not having a special roll in car and rather a separate load area, I would think it gives Disney more flexibility in handling wheelchair people as they do not need to wait for a specific car to load them into. Rather, they can have any car sent onto the side track to load in a wheelchair party thereby allowing multiple parties to be on the ride at once.

It may actually be more beneficial in terms of capacity to not have specific roll in cars. Does it make the experience better or more convenient for the guest though? I really don't know and couldn't even venture a guess as I haven't experienced it for myself.
So for Runaway Railway after the preshow there’s a special side room for guests who may need more time to load onto the vehicle to exchange from their chair to the vehicle.

For the Runaway Railway carts the entry rows can be narrow, and I can only speak for my father but due to hai condition he cant really enter without turning sideways which is difficult as he doesnt really have balance. Then there is a step down to the row which is difficult as again no balance, but he cant bend his knee either without risking a hospital visit whcih makes stepping down and up difficult.

The last issue is due to his knee difficulties its hard to sit down properly. Luckily he can sit at an angle and have some room for his knee to not hurt.

With a roll in car most of the issues don’t really occur, and would only be needed if a guest can not transfer either at all or easily. It may increase the waits a bit for those who need it, but (speaking for myself) we’re no stranger to this. Every roll in car now requires an extra wait as there’s only one per ride, and in my mind if Toy Story Mania could accomplish this with its less than stellar capacity then I personally feel that many other rides could follow suit.
 

Rob562

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Every omnimover should have a wheelchair car similar to Mermaid and Nemo. There’s no excuse for rides like Buzz, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth and Figment to not have a roll in option. I’d imagine Peter Pan’s Flight could also manage it would just be tricky given the aerial track.

Honestly I’m shocked that Runaway Railway didn’t have a roll in cart upon opening, wheelcahirs have their own loading area why not a wheelchair specific car? I imagine Ratatouille is going to be a similar situation, but it truly cant be that hard for a roll in car to exist if rides like Toy Story Mania, Jungle Cruise, and Kilimanjaro Safaris so can all these others.


Nemo is able to load without stopping the ride vehicle it sees cast members handling the wheelchair as they get the wheelchair onto a car. The car itself has a ramp that swings out onto the moving walkway allowing for a wheelchair to glide right in.

Not in the same vein but in Star Tours (Terminal B) they are able to detach the armrest on the left most chair allowing for guest to more easily slide into that seat if possible.

Mermaid and Nemo have ride paths that are relatively flat, and with cars that stay relatively level. Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth have ride paths with wildly varying elevations. Unless the wheelchair were tied down to the base, there would be no way to safely have the guest stay in their chair. And it would take a major, major reworking of the mechanics of the ride system to single out the handicap vehicles to stay level while all other vehicles tip and tilt with the track.

-Rob
 

Goofyernmost

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I think the real uptick in ride stops for disabled people probably started in the summer of 1990 when President George H. W. Bush signed The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) into law on July 26, 1990.
That is indeed when the larger numbers arrived, however, not everyone waited for the government to tell them what to do or what they wanted to do, so there were still a few that ventured into the parks. In the early days they were accommodated mostly at the exit to the ride because many of the entrance line stanchions were not large enough to accommodate a wheelchair.
 

tcool123

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So for Runaway Railway after the preshow there’s a special side room for guests who may need more time to load onto the vehicle to exchange from their chair to the vehicle.

For the Runaway Railway carts the entry rows can be narrow, and I can only speak for my father but due to hai condition he cant really enter without turning sideways which is difficult as he doesnt really have balance. Then there is a step down to the row which is difficult as again no balance, but he cant bend his knee either without risking a hospital visit whcih makes stepping down and up difficult.

The last issue is due to his knee difficulties its hard to sit down properly. Luckily he can sit at an angle and have some room for his knee to not hurt.

With a roll in car most of the issues don’t really occur, and would only be needed if a guest can not transfer either at all or easily. It may increase the waits a bit for those who need it, but (speaking for myself) we’re no stranger to this. Every roll in car now requires an extra wait as there’s only one per ride, and in my mind if Toy Story Mania could accomplish this with its less than stellar capacity then I personally feel that many other rides could follow suit.
I thiught that too but Mermaid does vary in elevation as well as the ride goes down and up when you go under the sea and back to land. I’m not sure how it compares to Haunted Mansion but it’s def a lot less than Spaceship Earth. Bit hey if Spaceship Earth gets that long refurbishment cpuld be a nice surprise
 

Goofyernmost

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I'm trying to imagine how loading would work WITHOUT stopping... bob sled run style? Tuck & roll? Caber toss?

Figure as long as they're letting those with severe mobility disabilities ride, it'd REQUIRE a stop IMO. Were they barring those from riding before 1990? @Lady Liberty
I only saw one attraction that had the no stop system and that was Wheels or Motion. That one, however, did require a standard Wheelchair and a CM to carry off the loading to maintain some control. Tp the best of my recall they had to get a semi running start behind the lowered ramp, precision dropping into the cutout depressions for the the wheels to drop in and to raise the ramp. Then or course, the reverse at the end of the ride. Motorized vehicles would probably be to much of a risk so even if they have a car the can handle the extra space, with the variety of vehicles out there to day, they would have to stop things to get them situated in the proper place to keep it safe for everyone.
 

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