What's with the wait times!? (hint.. they're low)

mickEblu

mickEblu

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nesboy43 said:
I remember saying on these boards that people want to see locations and characters from the films, things they are familiar with. Everyone was of the mindset that it is going to be packed no matter what.

People wanted a crazy immersive theme park experience that would not only compare to, but top Harry Potter. They did not get it.
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Not me. I questioned the rationale of creating a original IP land shortly after it was announced. With that said, I think if the execution had been better and/or they had one mind blowing attraction (which could happen later with ROTR) it wouldn’t have been as much of an issue.

I said it yesterday. I don’t think we ll see another “original” IP based land again in our lifetimes. Too much risk to spend a billion dollars on a land and not base it off a place from the movies. If you re going to be risqué then you have to go all in. Not cut out all the streetmosphere and entertainment. Chapek is a dummy.
 
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shambolicdefending

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mickEblu said:
I said it yesterday. I don’t think we ll see another “original” IP based land again in our lifetimes. Too much risk to spend a billion dollars on a land and not base it off a place from the movies.
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I agree, and also think this is probably for the best in the big picture.

Walt was a talent the likes of which the world will probably never see again. No 21st Century collection of imagineering skill will ever be able to do what he did, as well as he did it, and I'd just as soon not have them try. So, stick with whats already proven popular in other forums before its inserted into the park.
 
Phroobar

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shambolicdefending said:
I agree, and also think this is probably for the best in the big picture.

Walt was a talent the likes of which the world will probably never see again. No 21st Century collection of imagineering skill will ever be able to do what he did, as well as he did it, and I'd just as soon not have them try. So, stick with whats already proven popular in other forums before its inserted into the park.
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Even Walt had his failures too. However he learned from his mistakes and bet big on them and won. There is no way Walt's company would be viable in today's business environment. He would be taken over as soon as Snow White was declare a success and we would never see anything great from the man after that.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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shambolicdefending said:
I agree, and also think this is probably for the best in the big picture.

Walt was a talent the likes of which the world will probably never see again. No 21st Century collection of imagineering skill will ever be able to do what he did, as well as he did it, and I'd just as soon not have them try. So, stick with whats already proven popular in other forums before its inserted into the park.
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I agree mostly. I’d still like for them to try and create original lands and attractions though. It’s one thing to create an original attraction it’s another thing to create a 14 acre original land that has 40 years of people’s expectations attached to the IP. It just doesn’t make a ton of sense to make an original land based off the most popular IP of all time. With that said, I don’t think that’s the main reason it’s not hitting. It’s the execution.
 
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SirWillow

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It just occurred to me last night what those blaming Star Wars for low crowds are actually saying.

SWGE is somehow actively pushing people away from the parks- that if it wasn't there, then a lot more people would be coming. But just by merely being present people are telling themselves something like, "There's a Star Wars land at Disney, I don't want to go within 30 miles of it!" Which really, when you look at the logic of it, is absolutely ludicrous.

Logic would say that a new addition might not attract as many new visitors as was previously thought. This is a completely reasonable assumption. Even without new visitors, attendance should at least be similar to what it was before the new addition simply because everything else that draws people in is still there. They haven't taken anything away from visiting, they've added to it. So at the very least, then, there should be about the same numbers of people in the parks as there were before- and even if the land was a "failure", there should be a few more at least for the first several months as people come to check out what's new while everyone else still comes to enjoy all that they used to do, even if they ignored the new area.

Have you ever heard someone say, "they just opened up a new coaster at Knotts/ Six Flags. That's it, I'm done. Not going back." Or "Legoland just opened up a new area, how dare they. I'm not spending my money there again." Of course not. That doesn't happen.

So if attendance actually drops when a new addition to a park is opened, then something else happened. Something else changed those people's minds. It's not hate for Star Wars (even if that's all that some of you are seeing) because even if they hated Star Wars, they'll still go to enjoy the rest of Disney. So the real question isn't, "Is Star Wars a failure?" It's more, "What is actively driving people away from the Disney parks when they would have attended before? What changed?"

That's where your answers are going to lie as to what's going on with the attendance.
 
Phroobar

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SirWillow said:
It just occurred to me last night what those blaming Star Wars for low crowds are actually saying.

SWGE is somehow actively pushing people away from the parks- that if it wasn't there, then a lot more people would be coming. But just by merely being present people are telling themselves something like, "There's a Star Wars land at Disney, I don't want to go within 30 miles of it!" Which really, when you look at the logic of it, is absolutely ludicrous.

Logic would say that a new addition might not attract as many new visitors as was previously thought. This is a completely reasonable assumption. Even without new visitors, attendance should at least be similar to what it was before the new addition simply because everything else that draws people in is still there. They haven't taken anything away from visiting, they've added to it. So at the very least, then, there should be about the same numbers of people in the parks as there were before- and even if the land was a "failure", there should be a few more at least for the first several months as people come to check out what's new while everyone else still comes to enjoy all that they used to do, even if they ignored the new area.

Have you ever heard someone say, "they just opened up a new coaster at Knotts/ Six Flags. That's it, I'm done. Not going back." Or "Legoland just opened up a new area, how dare they. I'm not spending my money there again." Of course not. That doesn't happen.

So if attendance actually drops when a new addition to a park is opened, then something else happened. Something else changed those people's minds. It's not hate for Star Wars (even if that's all that some of you are seeing) because even if they hated Star Wars, they'll still go to enjoy the rest of Disney. So the real question isn't, "Is Star Wars a failure?" It's more, "What is actively driving people away from the Disney parks when they would have attended before? What changed?"

That's where your answers are going to lie as to what's going on with the attendance.
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I think the misconception of the parks being currently packed is driving people away. For years people have been told the place will be packed for the next couple of years so stay away. They listened but have no clue what the current status is. We see that every time some WDW person stumbles in here wanting to know how to handle the crowds.

The GP think it is packed so they went to Knotts and Universal this summer instead.
 
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drizgirl

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SirWillow said:
It just occurred to me last night what those blaming Star Wars for low crowds are actually saying.

SWGE is somehow actively pushing people away from the parks- that if it wasn't there, then a lot more people would be coming. But just by merely being present people are telling themselves something like, "There's a Star Wars land at Disney, I don't want to go within 30 miles of it!" Which really, when you look at the logic of it, is absolutely ludicrous.

Logic would say that a new addition might not attract as many new visitors as was previously thought. This is a completely reasonable assumption. Even without new visitors, attendance should at least be similar to what it was before the new addition simply because everything else that draws people in is still there. They haven't taken anything away from visiting, they've added to it. So at the very least, then, there should be about the same numbers of people in the parks as there were before- and even if the land was a "failure", there should be a few more at least for the first several months as people come to check out what's new while everyone else still comes to enjoy all that they used to do, even if they ignored the new area.

Have you ever heard someone say, "they just opened up a new coaster at Knotts/ Six Flags. That's it, I'm done. Not going back." Or "Legoland just opened up a new area, how dare they. I'm not spending my money there again." Of course not. That doesn't happen.

So if attendance actually drops when a new addition to a park is opened, then something else happened. Something else changed those people's minds. It's not hate for Star Wars (even if that's all that some of you are seeing) because even if they hated Star Wars, they'll still go to enjoy the rest of Disney. So the real question isn't, "Is Star Wars a failure?" It's more, "What is actively driving people away from the Disney parks when they would have attended before? What changed?"

That's where your answers are going to lie as to what's going on with the attendance.
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I know plenty of people who have delayed their trips to Disney because they expect it to be overrun with crowds from Star Wars land. It’s hard enough to get Value out of what one spends to go to Disney without having to fight massive crowds at the same time.
 
TP2000

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Was out running errands this morning and its much cooler today. Today is also the start of HalloweenTime, and only the SoCal Select AP's are blocked today. But wait times are very low here at Noon, will they pick up six or seven hours from now for the after-work Friday crowd?

Pirates, Jungle Cruise, Small World, Star Tours, Big Thunder, Submarines - 5 Minutes
Hyperspace Mt., Incredicoaster, Grizzly River Run - 10 Minutes
Millennium Falcon: Target Run - 20 Minutes
Radiator Springs Racers, Soarin', Guardians of the Galaxy, Matterhorn, Indiana Jones - 25 Minutes
Haunted Mansion Holiday (first day!), Splash Mountain - 30 Minutes

Everything else is 5 or 10 minutes in both parks.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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The first night of HalloweenTime brought a healthy bump of locals to see it all. Interestingly, the crowds seem to be favoring DCA and their new Halloween decorations instead of Star Wars Land.

At 8:15pm Pacific, with the AP's in full effect, here are the wait times:

Millennium Falcon: Target Run - 30 Minutes
Incredicoaster - 35 Minutes
Luigi's Honkin' Haul-O-Ween - 40 Minutes
Haunted Mansion Holiday - 50 Minutes
Guardians of the Galaxy: Monsters After Dark! - 80 Minutes
Radiator Springs Racers - 90 Minutes

Also, the heat wave broke today and it was much cooler. It's now a beautiful warm evening in OC. And I made some fresh White Man Guacamole with a lime off my tree and am having sirloin steak nachos for dinner with a chilled Pinot Grigio.

How are you kids doing? Did you have a good summer?
 
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Anjin

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As a SoCal local and a Well-Known Member of these forums, I'm well aware of the lack of crowds at Disneyland. I've have found myself several times thinking that my family of three should take advantage of this rare opportunity. Each and every time, the thing that stops me from turning to my loving bride and saying, "Let's go to Disneyland," is the cost. I cannot imagine dropping $450 (+ parking + food + whatever else my daughter decides she can't live without) on a single day at the park.

I love Disneyland. But even with ideal conditions, I can't afford it. I can't help but wonder how many others are making the same calculation.
 
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mickEblu

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TP2000 said:
The first night of HalloweenTime brought a healthy bump of locals to see it all. Interestingly, the crowds seem to be favoring DCA and their new Halloween decorations instead of Star Wars Land.

At 8:15pm Pacific, with the AP's in full effect, here are the wait times:

Millennium Falcon: Target Run - 30 Minutes
Incredicoaster - 35 Minutes
Luigi's Honkin' Haul-O-Ween - 40 Minutes
Haunted Mansion Holiday - 50 Minutes
Guardians of the Galaxy: Monsters After Dark! - 80 Minutes
Radiator Springs Racers - 90 Minutes

Also, the heat wave broke today and it was much cooler. It's now a beautiful warm evening in OC. And I made some fresh White Man Guacamole with a lime off my tree and am having sirloin steak nachos for dinner with a chilled Pinot Grigio.

How are you kids doing? Did you have a good summer?
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What are the odds this gloriousness keeps on going until Sunday. I have some fam that want to go but my luck the crowds will come back in full force. It is the first weekend day that So Cal APs will be unblocked from DL since like early June.
 
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TP2000

TP2000

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mickEblu said:
What are the odds this gloriousness keeps on going until Sunday. I have some fam that want to go but my luck the crowds will come back in full force. It is the first weekend day that So Cal APs will be ubclocked from DL since like early June.
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If it was any other year, I'd say that Sunday will be slammed:

First day in months with no SoCal AP blockouts, HalloweenTime just started, Disneyland just opened its first new E Ticket in 24 years in its first all-new land in 27 years, there are 8,000 brand new parking spaces available for those AP's to park in, plus a forecast of sunny and 81 degrees on Sunday.

But since it's 2019, the Year Disneyland Was Cursed, I have no idea what Sunday will be like.
 
Travel Junkie

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TP2000 said:
The first night of HalloweenTime brought a healthy bump of locals to see it all. Interestingly, the crowds seem to be favoring DCA and their new Halloween decorations instead of Star Wars Land.

At 8:15pm Pacific, with the AP's in full effect, here are the wait times:

Millennium Falcon: Target Run - 30 Minutes
Incredicoaster - 35 Minutes
Luigi's Honkin' Haul-O-Ween - 40 Minutes
Haunted Mansion Holiday - 50 Minutes
Guardians of the Galaxy: Monsters After Dark! - 80 Minutes
Radiator Springs Racers - 90 Minutes

Also, the heat wave broke today and it was much cooler. It's now a beautiful warm evening in OC. And I made some fresh White Man Guacamole with a lime off my tree and am having sirloin steak nachos for dinner with a chilled Pinot Grigio.

How are you kids doing? Did you have a good summer?
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Mickey and Friends and Pixar Pals were both full and closed for a time last night. Main St. was wall to wall people all night. I'm going to say it again. Ride wait times are not the sole indication of crowds.
 

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