What's the deal with Ariel?

AdventureHasAName

AdventureHasAName

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On a scale of 1 to 10, if Disney's commitment to park maintenance in 1989 was a 10, it's commitment to park maintenance today is a 2 or a 3. That's all you really need to know to answer your question.

They get away with it today because a large portion of their guests (particularly at WDW) are first time visitors that never experienced the "Level 10" maintenance and therefore don't get angry over the degradation of standards.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WDWDad13 said:
I think most would be upset of them closing a ride due to 1 AA that stopped working (depending on the ride and the importance of that AA of course)

Keep in mind too the ride attendants don't always know of the problem during the day unless someone tells them
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Disney used to assume they had an audience of experts; today Disney assumes they have an audience of ignorant dolts.
 
AdventureHasAName

AdventureHasAName

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dxer07002 said:
Reading several of the posts on this site by the defenders of the mouse, Disney assumes right LOL...
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Essentially, this is the problem. Disney stopped chasing (and catering to) a huge portion of their former customer base and they've left a lot of us out in the cold. If you're not a 27 year old woman with a 6 year old daughter, Disney isn't really interested in what you think; that's who is willing to pay the most for the least return and that's what Disney wants.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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SunsetLament said:
On a scale of 1 to 10, if Disney's commitment to park maintenance in 1989 was a 10, it's commitment to park maintenance today is a 2 or a 3. That's all you really need to know to answer your question.

They get away with it today because a large portion of their guests (particularly at WDW) are first time visitors that never experienced the "Level 10" maintenance and therefore don't get angry over the degradation of standards.
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More importantly, first time visitors are not even aware of degraded standards. They don't know if something is supposed to be working or not. So that does beg the question. Do you stop the ride completely and deprive many of experiencing any of it or do you take note and fix it after the parks close? I think, in the category of public service, they should keep it going. Heck, I've been to WDW 43 times and I do not have recollection of what is supposed to be moving or not moving. I have a love of Disney, but, I don't clutter my brain with useless observations in a land of make-believe. I do remember things that are somewhat important to the overall experience, but not every detail like some seem to do.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Goofyernmost said:
Yea, but we "elders" have to accept (really) that now is not back in the day. The world (Disney and otherwise) is much different then back in the day. Or at least we perceive it to be, so 101's are not immediate anymore because people are much less vocal about an AA not working, especially if they have never seen it before, but go bats*** when the ride isn't working. You and I think a ride down for emergency repair is a good thing... they do not.:(
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more like people nowadays complain too much about dumb things and not of the important things.

like:
"I DIDNT GET MY FREE DISCOUNTS FOR BEING BADMOUTHED BY A CM AFTER I INSULTED HIM!!! I DEMAND A REFUND!"
instead of :
"The show isnt working properly, can they fix it ? or where do we complain?"
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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Lee said:
Exactly.
Any major AA going down should prompt an immediate 101.
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Especially if it's the main character of a ride. Her name is even in the ride title. Now if one of the drummer fish are down for a day that, IMO, doesn't warrant a shutdown, but main AA's no question the ride should go 101 until fixed.
 
rioriz

rioriz

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And IMHO Disney has gotten leaps and bounds better at refurbs and maintenance yearly than they were even 5 years ago. That said

this thread should be about done since it was documented the problem (s) have been fixed?

No need for it to get into another pi##ing match
 
luv

luv

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I don't notice a lot of broken stuff. It has to get really bad before I notice it..like Tomorrowland.

I do, of course, wish they'd attend to things before things get so bad that I notice. I know they did this once, so it can be done.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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George said:
Could you imagine a roller coaster with a gigantic AA of a monstrous beast that the whole ride experience revolved around, if the AA of the monstrous beast were to break? I bet they'd shut the ride down and fix it pronto!
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ha ha ha.. good jab there george XD
 
Captain Chaos

Captain Chaos

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SunsetLament said:
Essentially, this is the problem. Disney stopped chasing (and catering to) a huge portion of their former customer base and they've left a lot of us out in the cold. If you're not a 27 year old woman with a 6 year old daughter, Disney isn't really interested in what you think; that's who is willing to pay the most for the least return and that's what Disney wants.
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Sadly, you are right...
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
More importantly, first time visitors are not even aware of degraded standards. They don't know if something is supposed to be working or not. So that does beg the question. Do you stop the ride completely and deprive many of experiencing any of it or do you take note and fix it after the parks close? I think, in the category of public service, they should keep it going. Heck, I've been to WDW 43 times and I do not have recollection of what is supposed to be moving or not moving. I have a love of Disney, but, I don't clutter my brain with useless observations in a land of make-believe. I do remember things that are somewhat important to the overall experience, but not every detail like some seem to do.
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Disney's position was that people would subconsciously notice that the complete picture was off. It was part of a bigger philosophy that has crumbled. Why should Disney really bother with theme and detail when so many portray its key components as unnecessary excess?
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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lazyboy97o said:
Disney's position was that people would subconsciously notice that the complete picture was off. It was part of a bigger philosophy that has crumbled. Why should Disney really bother with theme and detail when so many portray its key components as unnecessary excess?
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That right there was the difference between Walt and every other person who attempted to make a carnival, amusement park, or any themed environment more immersive. The people (some here) that feel the "little details" arent that important in the big picture are the type of people that create mediocre crap that was/is no different than anything before. They place a dollar amount and attendance numbers over quality and execution. They get called apologists because they make excuses as to why its ok to let a few things remain broken or not repaired because the park still functions as a whole and the company still makes money. They assume the company will eventually fix it, but by the time the company gets around to it there are ten more problems to deal with. Theyre the type of people who claim their sports team is still the best, even if they have a horrible season. They would rather get upset about being called an apologist rather than take a moment to think about why someone would label them that way. Its ego and pride that get in the way of a rational thought.
 

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