What's Next For DHS And AK??

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Agreed, being able to walk through the world created in both movies would be great.

I think a TRON sub-land or large scale attraction should be completely indoor. Especially as a sub-land it would be a good opportunity for rainy days and to have absolutely no natural light would intensify the feeling of being in an artificial world. The entrance could be the arcade.

 

[_Scar]

Was Tron enough of a success to be considered for its own land?

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Well the first was no success but it is a milestone, a classic and a cult movie. The second one was a financial success though no blockbuster.
Perhaps not enough for an entire sub-land (although I would like it!) but enough for an elaborate and large e-ticket attraction.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Well wasn't camp mickey always suppose to be a temporary solution? Part of what I was thinking of adding to this land was a chairlift that would have stops on the pathway in Asia, the middle of South America, and Planet Watch.

I know that the land directly south of Camp Minnie Mickey was intended to be Beastly Kingdom. I assume it would have also absorbed all of Camp Minnie Mickey as well. To use this land now, Festival of the Lion King would have to move or fit the new theme (or be somewhat out of place like Finding Nemo The Musical).

To access the area you proposed for South America would require quite the long pathway. It's almost more useful if they were to expand Kali River Rapids and build an Asian Safari on a smaller scope as Kilimanjaro Safaris (although there's room to do both of these on the other side of the access road as well). I think those two things are incredibly unlikely however which is why I keep suggesting using that for a nighttime show.

The best choice for a pathway to get to your proposed South America area would be to the left of the Maharajah Jungle Trek with the actual entrance to the path to the left of Flights of Wonder. The path would cross over a current access road and run alongside the train path. It would also be about as long as the path from Africa to Expedition Everest and there wouldn't be too much space for much of anything along the way. I suppose you could conceivably have this walking path talk you through long narrow animal exhibits but there really isn't a lot of room to work with.

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=28.3590737&lon=-81.5899175&z=18&l=0&m=b

 

[NoChesterHester]

I know that the land directly south of Camp Minnie Mickey was intended to be Beastly Kingdom. I assume it would have also absorbed all of Camp Minnie Mickey as well. To use this land now, Festival of the Lion King would have to move or fit the new theme (or be somewhat out of place like Finding Nemo The Musical).

To access the area you proposed for South America would require quite the long pathway. It's almost more useful if they were to expand Kali River Rapids and build an Asian Safari on a smaller scope as Kilimanjaro Safaris (although there's room to do both of these on the other side of the access road as well). I think those two things are incredibly unlikely however which is why I keep suggesting using that for a nighttime show.

The best choice for a pathway to get to your proposed South America area would be to the left of the Maharajah Jungle Trek with the actual entrance to the path to the left of Flights of Wonder. The path would cross over a current access road and run alongside the train path. It would also be about as long as the path from Africa to Expedition Everest and there wouldn't be too much space for much of anything along the way. I suppose you could conceivably have this walking path talk you through long narrow animal exhibits but there really isn't a lot of room to work with.

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=28.3590737&lon=-81.5899175&z=18&l=0&m=b

That's all fine and good, but I'm fairly stuck on an earlier posters point that AK doesn't really need an expansion, it needs attractions in the area it already has.

Upkeep costs for the 500 acre park already have to be enormous. More area yo take care of isn't what they need. More "beautiful" land without attractions isn't what AK needs.

 

[Mansion Butler]

Completely coincidentally, I spent a ton of time on the DI trails today. I love the view of the Asia-to-Africa path, and I love the nene geese. I want to know how an animal is that friendly. My brother (Hawaiian) says they're naturally gregarious like that.

Anyway, another animal that we didn't mention from that route: red kangaroos.

You know what else is damn cool about DAK? The Oasis. The multi-route options for entering a park is a nice table setter, but what's also great is having something to mill about and enjoy when leaving a park that isn't just stores.

 

[Mansion Butler]

Very nice, I like especially that you chose South America instead of the highly overrated Australia-theme for the expansion. South America is so much better.

Completely disagree that South America is better, but both would be great.

Australian animals and the Great Barrier Reef interest me more. Not by a lot, but they do.

If people are more interested in Australia than South America, then it's not overrated, because general preference is what matters. Same is true the other way around.

In any case, there can be both, as Australia's (barely but somewhat) discussed potential location is untouched by that expansion dream.

That's all fine and good, but I'm fairly stuck on an earlier posters point that AK doesn't really need an expansion, it needs attractions in the area it already has.

Expansion is just a nice day dream. Nothing wrong with day dreaming. But I think you're right, what it "needs" more is filling in what's already there, first.

 

[NoChesterHester]

Expansion is just a nice day dream. Nothing wrong with day dreaming. But I think you're right, what it "needs" more is filling in what's already there, first.

Well put. I agree.

I would love to explore a new expansion. I actually love AK despite my comments. I really hope they make the park better and soon.

 

[Mansion Butler]

Well put. I agree.

I would love to explore a new expansion. I actually love AK despite my comments. I really hope they make the park better and soon.

I love every park, DAK more than most. But I also would love to see expansion in every park. I think you can be happy and hopeful at the same time.

 

[RSoxNo1]

That's all fine and good, but I'm fairly stuck on an earlier posters point that AK doesn't really need an expansion, it needs attractions in the area it already has.

Upkeep costs for the 500 acre park already have to be enormous. More area yo take care of isn't what they need. More "beautiful" land without attractions isn't what AK needs.

Completely disagree that South America is better, but both would be great.

Australian animals and the Great Barrier Reef interest me more. Not by a lot, but they do.

If people are more interested in Australia than South America, then it's not overrated, because general preference is what matters. Same is true the other way around.

In any case, there can be both, as Australia's (barely but somewhat) discussed potential location is untouched by that expansion dream.


Expansion is just a nice day dream. Nothing wrong with day dreaming. But I think you're right, what it "needs" more is filling in what's already there, first.

I love every park, DAK more than most. But I also would love to see expansion in every park. I think you can be happy and hopeful at the same time.

Where do you propose you they put additional attractions? Aside from the Pocahontas Stage there aren't a lot of dormant areas of that park. The problem is that most of the outdoor attractions take up quite a bit of space. I already got torn apart for suggesting that Flik's Fun Fair replace some of the Discovery Island Trails.

 

[Mansion Butler]

Where do you propose you they put additional attractions? Aside from the Pocahontas Stage there aren't a lot of dormant areas of that park. The problem is that most of the outdoor attractions take up quite a bit of space. I already got torn apart for suggesting that Flik's Fun Fair replace some of the Discovery Island Trails.

I think Imagineers are better with space than we are. If there is no place for even the smallest of attractions to be fit in here and there, so be it. I just find that hard to believe, and if I could give you better than that I'd be in WDI.

 

[flavious27]

I think a TRON sub-land or large scale attraction should be completely indoor. Especially as a sub-land it would be a good opportunity for rainy days and to have absolutely no natural light would intensify the feeling of being in an artificial world. The entrance could be the arcade.

I can't see how it would be believable to have different elements with entrances outside, the only way to enter would be through flynn's, and it makes sense from a storytelling view. I do also see the exit being being used for guests that want to go to the end of line club and gift shop, kind of like what they do for star tours. This wouldn't be a problem as long as disney can make it believable.

 

[flavious27]

I know that the land directly south of Camp Minnie Mickey was intended to be Beastly Kingdom. I assume it would have also absorbed all of Camp Minnie Mickey as well. To use this land now, Festival of the Lion King would have to move or fit the new theme (or be somewhat out of place like Finding Nemo The Musical).

To access the area you proposed for South America would require quite the long pathway. It's almost more useful if they were to expand Kali River Rapids and build an Asian Safari on a smaller scope as Kilimanjaro Safaris (although there's room to do both of these on the other side of the access road as well). I think those two things are incredibly unlikely however which is why I keep suggesting using that for a nighttime show.

The best choice for a pathway to get to your proposed South America area would be to the left of the Maharajah Jungle Trek with the actual entrance to the path to the left of Flights of Wonder. The path would cross over a current access road and run alongside the train path. It would also be about as long as the path from Africa to Expedition Everest and there wouldn't be too much space for much of anything along the way. I suppose you could conceivably have this walking path talk you through long narrow animal exhibits but there really isn't a lot of room to work with.

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=28.3590737&lon=-81.5899175&z=18&l=0&m=b

Well didn't disney move some elements around in dhs to get sunset built? They can do the same thing.

With this expansion, I really never had pathways as the primary transportation mode into this land. One reason is that it would be akward and long. Another would be that the primary mode of transport would be a ride in itself and set the stage for the customers. From an ops point of view, this is naive but this is blue sky anyway. Also a long walkway into the land with it being jungly is basically just another Maharajah without being an attraction. The other option could be that they build a tunnel and have it themed for the horn of south america and lead it into the inside of the andes.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I think Imagineers are better with space than we are. If there is no place for even the smallest of attractions to be fit in here and there, so be it. I just find that hard to believe, and if I could give you better than that I'd be in WDI.

I've linked to Wikimapia several times on here - I suggest checking it out because it can really give you an idea of how much available space there is in this park.

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=28.3577095&lon=-81.5899229&z=17&l=0&m=b

There's room for smaller exhibits pretty much every where, but in terms of adding rides there isn't a lot of room in the existing space, with the exception of the pathway between Africa and Flights of Wonder. The problem is, that's the best way to access the large expansion pad so it would be short sighted to block that off.

Well didn't disney move some elements around in dhs to get sunset built? They can do the same thing.

With this expansion, I really never had pathways as the primary transportation mode into this land. One reason is that it would be akward and long. Another would be that the primary mode of transport would be a ride in itself and set the stage for the customers. From an ops point of view, this is naive but this is blue sky anyway. Also a long walkway into the land with it being jungly is basically just another Maharajah without being an attraction. The other option could be that they build a tunnel and have it themed for the horn of south america and lead it into the inside of the andes.

There needs to be more than just a mode of transport to get to this land. Perhaps the best approach is to expand the route of the Wildlife Express Train so that it travels around the perimeter of the expansion pad. With that, you could see some elevation changes in the loop that's south of the Harambe station that would allow guests to either walk under or over the train station (think Toontown in Disneyland). I'm also curious as to how big a problem that access road is. I would guess the road would stay and just have large themed doors along the path where guests would actually walk along the access road without really knowing it.

As you said, things have moved in the past, and they would have to move again for any significant changes to DAK.

 

[flavious27]

There needs to be more than just a mode of transport to get to this land. Perhaps the best approach is to expand the route of the Wildlife Express Train so that it travels around the perimeter of the expansion pad. With that, you could see some elevation changes in the loop that's south of the Harambe station that would allow guests to either walk under or over the train station (think Toontown in Disneyland). I'm also curious as to how big a problem that access road is. I would guess the road would stay and just have large themed doors along the path where guests would actually walk along the access road without really knowing it.

As you said, things have moved in the past, and they would have to move again for any significant changes to DAK.

Well that is an idea, expanding the train

 

[Scuttle]

Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

Ya and no. I do think australia could be incredible and I see the popularity and success of it. Most people never have a chance to visit Australia, I know I probably won't ever get a chance to visit. So in that aspect I am for Australia. On the other side though I see South America with amazing potential with the Amazon River, Andes mountain range, it's many mythical creatures and Inca ruins. I see the Amazon River playing a role in an E-ticket, but what about Australia? What in Australia could play as a E-ticket?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Ya and no. I do think australia could be incredible and I see the popularity and success of it. Most people never have a chance to visit Australia, I know I probably won't ever get a chance to visit. So in that aspect I am for Australia. On the other side though I see South America with amazing potential with the Amazon River, Andes mountain range, it's many mythical creatures and Inca ruins. I see the Amazon River playing a role in an E-ticket, but what about Australia? What in Australia could play as a E-ticket?

See I'm with you - I think Australia could/should ultimately be a smaller land that absorbs Finding Nemo the Musical adds a walking trail with Koalas, Kangaroos, Wallabies, Dingoes, and/or any other Australian animals. The landmarks that people know about in Australia are the Opera House and Ayer's Rock - I don't see the need to re-theme the exterior of Nemo to the Opera House, so that's probably out, but Ayer's Rock could be used as a thematic element in something.

Having said all that, this would require another bridge or the removal of the Discovery River Boats backstage area.

 

[RunnerEd]

Why did the Discovery River boats close? On a park as short on attractions as DAK, it seems like closing rides would/should be the last thing they would do; even bad or mediocre ones.

 

[The Duck]

Why did the Discovery River boats close? On a park as short on attractions as DAK, it seems like closing rides would/should be the last thing they would do; even bad or mediocre ones.

The boats closed due to excessive complaints from the guests. They were intended to be used mostly as transportation from one end of the park to the other while most guests were under the impression that it was a sort of "Jungle Cruise" type of attraction. The problem was that once you were on the boat, there wasn't a whole lot to see and guests got bored quickly.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

The boats closed due to excessive complaints from the guests. They were intended to be used mostly as transportation from one end of the park to the other while most guests were under the impression that it was a sort of "Jungle Cruise" type of attraction. The problem was that once you were on the boat, there wasn't a whole lot to see and guests got bored quickly.

Perhaps guests should start to complain about that "Wildlife Express Train" so they shut that down too. It's by far the most boring ride I ever experienced in a Disney park, the bus tours between the parks are more interesting and I would appreciate if it would be closed and they would open instead a normal path to get to Rafikis Planet Watch. Because it is the peak of bad imagineering to build a BORING train ride that is the only mean of transportation to an entire area or land that is MEDIOCRE at best.