What was the 1971 version of Peter Pan's Flight like?

[WondersOfLife]

Weren't the busts always projections? Were they once animatronics?

I believe they were always projections.. But not always digital projections.. Which makes the faces appear clearer.

 

[marni1971]

Weren't the busts always projections? Were they once animatronics?

As said always projections. Originally 16mm film.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Not only have the busts/Leota heads always been projections, but they've always impressed me more than pretty much all other facial projections. I've been surprised and disappointed in how most newer facial projections somehow look so much worse, Buzz Lightyear for a good example. It's amazing how much better even the original pre-digital versions of HM's faces looked than most modern examples of face projections.

I've said before on these forums, but I think it's due to a mixture of precise lighting and properly sculpted bone structure. Obviously lighting is immensely important for projected elements, scenes have to be very dark or else the effect is ruined. But even when the projectors are switched off on the busts or Leota's head, the underlying facial dimensions are physically sculpted. Including protruding noses, eye sockets, properly structured cheekbones, foreheads etc-

This seems to really make a world of difference in giving the figures a truly 3-dimensional appearance. And it seems to be an important element lacking in a lot of other face projection. Even within the same ride, the current version of the bride has a very flat looking face. It doesn't look right even viewed straight-on, but it's very bad at different angles. I'm going to guess they didn't actually sculpt facial features on the mannequin because of the quite apparent flatness of her face. It's hard to find decent pictures with the projector off and the lights on, but this seems to be the case-

The Dwarfs in 7DMT are the only NEW examples of facial projections I can think of that seem to have decent underlying physical features.

 

[brb1006]

What about Pinnochio? Just curious. I vaguely remember at least one Pinnochio AA at the very beginning.. Was he always in the ride?

Did Figaro show up in the ride?

 

[WondersOfLife]

Did Figaro show up in the ride?

I honestly can't remember..... But if he didn't.. ARE WE FIGARO!?

 

[Prog]

Not only have the busts/Leota heads always been projections, but they've always impressed me more than pretty much all other facial projections. I've been surprised and disappointed in how most newer facial projections somehow look so much worse, Buzz Lightyear for a good example. It's amazing how much better even the original pre-digital versions of HM's faces looked than most modern examples of face projections.

I've said before on these forums, but I think it's due to a mixture of precise lighting and properly sculpted bone structure. Obviously lighting is immensely important for projected elements, scenes have to be very dark or else the effect is ruined. But even when the projectors are switched off on the busts or Leota's head, the underlying facial dimensions are physically sculpted. Including protruding noses, eye sockets, properly structured cheekbones, foreheads etc-

This seems to really make a world of difference in giving the figures a truly 3-dimensional appearance. And it seems to be an important element lacking in a lot of other face projection. Even within the same ride, the current version of the bride has a very flat looking face. It doesn't look right even viewed straight-on, but it's very bad at different angles. I'm going to guess they didn't actually sculpt facial features on the mannequin because of the quite apparent flatness of her face. It's hard to find decent pictures with the projector off and the lights on, but this seems to be the case-

The Dwarfs in 7DMT are the only NEW examples of facial projections I can think of that seem to have decent underlying physical features.

The lack of attention to bone structure is what I always hated about Constance. Her chin is all wrong, and it's not convincing at all. I didn't visit WDW until 2000 and didn't go between the ages of 10 and 16, so I'm not sure if I ever saw the busts as they were on film (did they use laserdisc for a time?). The digital protection does offer the benefit of proper synchronization which seems to be lacking in old recordings of the mansion.

 

[Prog]

Hey does Tokyo have the spider webs on the Escher Stair scene and the man in the spider web screaming?

Yes and no. It appears to be a refurbished version of the eighties mansion, with a Japanese Ghost Host. Hopefully it stays that way.

 

[Prog]

From what I've seen on YouTube, yes. No man getting eaten alive though.

 

[englanddg]

Darn it. When did the man appear in the Orlando Mansion? And when did the spiders leave the Orlando Mansion?

Here's a rundown from Long Forgotten, with pictures! (which, I'll note, is better than Doombuggies has going for it on their secrets page, which is surprising...)

http://longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com/2014_09_01_archive.html

 

[Prog]

The man was there briefly, if ever, in 1971, though I heard that his audio stuck around a bit longer. The spiders were generally poorly regarded and removed in the major 2007 refurb.

 

[Bairstow]

So there are big spider webs and big spiders?

See for yourself.
Go to 5:35.

The man was there briefly, if ever, in 1971, though I heard that his audio stuck around a bit longer. The spiders were generally poorly regarded and removed in the major 2007 refurb.

I'm unconvinced he had audio.
Why would he be screaming, anyway? He's a skeleton.

 

[Prog]

Pretty sure that death muted nobody else in that mansion...

 

[neverboy21]

Peter Pan's Flight is probably the least changed attraction in the Magic Kingdom, although it has had some minimal alterations:

1. The original mermaids in the Neverland scene looked nothing like their film counterparts (one even had purple hair). Also, their were visibly shown. Somewhere between the late '80s and early '90s, they replaced them with new mermaid figures that better resembled the ones from the film, including one that looks a lot like Ariel from "The Little Mermaid". (See photo comparison)

2. The entrance sign was originally a flat, ribbon shape with the title printed on it. In the early '90s, it was embellished with a portrait of the pirate ship flying over Neverland on top of it. For the park's 25th anniversary, the entrance sign was replaced with the cloud shaped sign we see today, complete with Big Ben and the character figures flying over it. Also, the façade went from a maroon/pink color scheme to light blue a few years ago.

3. The last "major" addition was the indoor queue through the Darling house, which was added after they shut down the restrooms that were located there.

 

[FettFan]

What major differences were in the Haunted Mansion between 1971 and 2003, aside from the attic?

The Spider Victim, which only lasted a week or so, then was removed.
As the doom buggy went past him, you were to hear a horrific scream and see the skeleton jerking around trying to free itself from the web.

Concept art by X. Atencio.




Much like the Dead Elephant In The Room (at DAK), someone complained that it was "too gruesome" for a Disney park, and the Spider Victim was removed and the scream was turned off. The webs still jerked around, but their only inhabitants were the spiders.

Eventually, they were removed completely and replaced with the Escher Stairwell.

https://longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com/2014/09/

 

[FettFan]

Peter Pan's Flight is probably the least changed attraction in the Magic Kingdom, although it has had some minimal alterations:

1. The original mermaids in the Neverland scene looked nothing like their film counterparts (one even had purple hair). Also, their ******* were visibly shown. Somewhere between the late '80s and early '90s, they replaced them with new mermaid figures that better resembled the ones from the film, including one that looks a lot like Ariel from "The Little Mermaid". (See photo comparison)

2. The entrance sign was originally a flat, ribbon shape with the title printed on it. In the early '90s, it was embellished with a portrait of the pirate ship flying over Neverland on top of it. For the park's 25th anniversary, the entrance sign was replaced with the cloud shaped sign we see today, complete with Big Ben and the character figures flying over it. Also, the façade went from a maroon/pink color scheme to light blue a few years ago.

3. The last "major" addition was the indoor queue through the Darling house, which was added after they shut down the restrooms that were located there.

Seems that the Disney company had a particular fascination with mermaids going au-naturel....

Original Submarine Voyage poster:

20,000 Leagues' original Mermaid scene:

 

[Raineman]

The Spider Victim, which only lasted a week or so, then was removed.
As the doom buggy went past him, you were to hear a horrific scream and see the skeleton jerking around trying to free itself from the web.

Concept art by X. Atencio.




Much like the Dead Elephant In The Room (at DAK), someone complained that it was "too gruesome" for a Disney park, and the Spider Victim was removed and the scream was turned off. The webs still jerked around, but their only inhabitants were the spiders.

Eventually, they were removed completely and replaced with the Escher Stairwell.

https://longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com/2014/09/

Were the HM spiders the same design as the spiders in the temple on JC? They look a lot alike. Given the tendencies to use the same AA sculpt in different attractions, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

In WDSP too, at ToT the on a Polynesian statuette have also been covered up at a later date.

What silly modern puritanism!

We should organise a naked walk through the Magic Kingdom in protest.


Edit: Et tu, WDWMagic? Asterixing out (oYo) and (.)(.) and （。 ㅅ 。） ?