What was planned to go into Adventureland instead of PotC? Lee? Corrus?

CaptainMichael

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peter11435 said:
Actually, my understanding was that BTMRR was supposed to be built on top of WRE.
I think that the best way to think about it is like Mt. Gushmore at Blizzard Beach. A large mountain containing more than one attraction. WRE would have been inside, a runaway minetrain ride on the outside/inside, and I think there was some kind of walking path.
 

marni1971

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Some of the WRE concept art does indeed show a minetrain attraction on it - not the WDWRR passing through - and I think in one of my books/articles it specifically mentions this `runaway train` attraction as a supplement to the big E Ride (the actual boat ride). Think of Thunder Messa (the mountain range themed building) as one of EPCOT Centers pavilions with several attractions inside. The story goes that as WRE disappeared, the train part was kept on hold until neeed (Tomorrowland was to be developed over the next 4 years - and take the lions share of funding too). Disneyland overtook the project with a need to replace the Rainbow Ridge mule cart which had closed in `73 and the very dated Rainbow Caverns Minetrain through Natures Wonderland, but still keeping the look and teme of Rainbow Ridge. Hence BTM was still being built in DLC when the original, though now standalone, WDW version was started.

If BTM was started in DLC in `77, it is possible it was spawned from WRE's never built version. However, WED / TWDC have publically stated WRE was to be an 'instead of' as opposed to an 'as well as' PotC attraction in Orlando.
 

napnet

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Wasnt it in 1973 that the park even went past Tropical Serenade? Like didnt it dead end and you went to frontierland via the passageway thats currently there with the restrooms? I thought it wasnt until like 1976 that you could use the current Adventurland <--> Frontierland passage anyways.
 

marni1971

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As far as I`m aware the pathway round to Frontierland (towards the old railroad station) opened as part of Caribbean Plaza in `73. Yes, prior to this, you couldn`t get much beyond the Tropical Serenade area. How I`d LOVE a photo of this!

BTW; the restroom passageway of this era had no roof on it - it was the main traffic route between Adventureland and Frontierland. Here is the only photo I have of pre `73 - note no PotC or Railroad Station. Or walkway! Just a service road.
 

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Lee

Adventurer
Off the top of my head, so bear with me if I screw it up...

WRE was completely scrapped as a potential attraction after PotC was built.
There was some talk at the time about the WRE project continuing, the land was already prepared, the art had been released, etc. But considering the size and cost of the project, the fact that the park didn't really need two such similar rides, and that the US was falling into an energy crisis, WRE as a whole was eventually put on the shelf.

However, most of the models and art for WRE were saved at WDI. After the financial woes of the energy and gas crisis had passed, Disney again looked to expand the MK. WRE was still around at the time, including the boat ride, walking path to the top of the mesa, and the runaway mine train. It was really a spectacular concept.

But, the thing that really excited the Disney brass, was the mine train. Guests had been asking for another thrill ride, and this had the potential to fit that bill. They had Tony Baxter, who had been assigned that portion of the project, come up with a concept for the mine train that would be a stand-alone attraction.

That became Big Thunder Mountain, a concept that was so good that Disneyland pounced on it as a replacement for the Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland. WDW liked it so much they jumped in and started building their own version...putting the nails in WRE's coffin.

That's sort of it in a nutshell, leaving out all the backstory about WRE involving Marc Davis and Tony Baxter, and the attempts to get WRE built somewhere...anywhere...

whew...tired...
 

marni1971

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I hope this dosn`t sound too condescending, but Lee`s description is spot on.

Now, about this plot of land in Adventureland circa 1971...
 

Lee

Adventurer
marni1971 said:
Now, about this plot of land in Adventureland circa 1971...

I'm trying...just not a lot of info available. People I've asked have pretty much all said "Hmmm...good question".:lol:
 

marni1971

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Lee said:
I'm trying...just not a lot of info available. People I've asked have pretty much all said "Hmmm...good question".:lol:

Same here. I WILL email Jim this evening once Michelle is settled down with the TV (and my Ellens Energy edit is rendering)

I`ve also just been in touch with 2 PotC CM's who are going to ask/look around.
 

Main Street Jim

New Member
Wow. That pic of "pre-'73" Mk got me to thinking, and I found my answer - and again, I came up with it on Widen Your World:

<table border="0" cellpadding="3" width="556"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="3" align="center" height="50" valign="bottom">
The Original
Frontierland
Railroad Station
1972 - 1990
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For the first eight months or so after the Magic Kingdom's opening, the Walt Disney World Railroad had only one station serving park guests. During that time, a "grand circle trip" was mandatory unless you jumped off the train when no one else was looking. Having parted with a D ticket to board, most guests preferred to stay put. As they rode through Frontierland they passed by a wooden shack and water tower that marked the future location of the line's next depot.
frlrs.jpg
Right around May 1972, the Frontierland Railroad Station opened a few feet northwest of the Pecos Bill Cafe. It marked the westernmost point of Frontierland for nearly nineteen years, stealthily weathering extensive development in the surrounding vicinity. It also provided the only alternate point for boarding or disembarking the trains until 1988, when a third station opened in what was then called Mickey's Birthdayland.
The old Frontierland station was a slight bit of architecture with a toy-like look - owing in part to the gingerbread molding on its rooflines. Most guests accessed the station by ascending steps that raised them about five feet above Frontierland street level. Wheelchair guests entered along a winding exit pathway connecting with the north end of the structure. The building's interior consisted of a single open-air room in which a short series of benches accommodated guests waiting for the next train. A set of posters on the walls perpetually denoted that the service was "on schedule." Plenty of hatchets and red water barrels marked "Fire Only" were on hand in the event of incendiary outbursts.

The loading platform extended south of the station toward Caribbean Plaza. The train approached the station from the tunnel built into the berm that segments the two Pirates of the Caribbean show buildings. That berm marked the true western end of the Kingdom's guest areas. Guests waiting for the train may have wondered what lurked beyond the climbing pines on the hill. The reality was probably not in keeping with anyone's suppositions, as the other side was the collection and incineration point for the park's vacuum-operated trash system (the AVAC).

</td> <td height="998" width="15">
</td> <td bordercolor="green" bordercolordark="green" bordercolorlight="green" background="wyw2.jpg" bgcolor="#fbe79f" height="998" valign="top" width="145">
Frontierland
Railroad Station
(Original)
Extinct WDW Attraction Component
Located in:
Frontierland,
Magic Kingdom
Opened: c. February 1972
Closed: November 1990

Omniluxe Award for:
Cutest place to
get off the train

Contributing
Disney Personnel:
Howard Brummitt,
Chuck Myall,
Walt Preston
Descendant of:
Disneyland's
New Orleans Square
Depot

Space later became:
Part of
Splash Mountain site

Remnants:
Water tower relocated to
new Frontierland station
Influences evident in:
Disneyland Paris'
Frontierland Depot

First photo courtesy
Robert Boyd.
Second photo copyright
The Walt Disney Company.
Text copyright 2000
Mike Lee

I would like to acknowledge the
thoughtful assistance of
Robert Boyd
with my research on
the Frontierland
Railroad Station

</td> </tr></tbody> </table>
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The grassy area just in front of the train station was the first setting for the Frontierland Stunt Mens' robbery and gunfight exposition. This brief show revolved around the Frontierland marshall's apprehension of Cactus Jack Slade and his thieving lackeys after they robbed the depot's safe. After some fist pounding, knife slashing and rifle blasting, the marshall triumphed over the bad guys and recovered the money. This summer season spectacle began in the mid-'80s. By the summer of 1988 the show had moved down the street, where it was staged in front of the Trading Post and Country Bear Jamboree. The move allowed for the execution of fight scenes on the rooftops. The final showdowns took place in 1994.
Just north of the railroad station was a vast expanse of grass sandwiched between the train tracks and the Rivers of America. This land, dotted with pine trees and a few totem poles, was for several years the intended location of the Western River Expedition. When plans for that attraction fell through, the northern part of the land became the site for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, which opened in 1980. The grassy plain between Thunder Mountain and the Frontierland station remained untouched for a seeming eternity. Its sole functioning occupant was the twisting roadway that allowed the Kingdom's parades an exit from the park.

When Mickey's Birthdayland opened in June 1988, the Frontierland station was decorated with banners, gifts and other nonsense in celebration of Mickey's 60th. The rest of the Walt Disney World Railroad received the same treatment. This tomfoolery lasted into the following year, then everything returned to near-normalcy. But in November 1990, one of the first steps on the way toward making room for Splash Mountain was the unceremonious and wholesale collapsing of the Frontierland station. The water tower that had preceded the station in 1971 also outlasted it by finding a home at Frontierland's new station, which was built as part of Splash Mountain and opened in December 1991.

That new station, incidentally, was built directly over the portion of grassland that contained the parade's old exit road. The
new parade exit route was relocated south, directly through the center of what used to be the old station. In all probability, that means absolutely nothing. More meaning could perhaps be found in the company's positioning of Splash Mountain itself, which is something of a southeastern U.S. red clay monster, between the Pecos Bill Cafe and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, both part of a once thematically unified vista depicting the southwestern U.S.
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I had always thought that the original Frontierland station had been there when the park opened, but according to this article, it didn't open until May 1972 - which means that that pic of the park from the air even predates the train station! You can see the water tower in Frontierland right there at the bottom center of that pic; and the land just to the north of the Mile Long Bar (which is now Pecos Bill's) has been cleared, apparently readying it for the "upcoming" Western River Expedition.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
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Yep, the Frontierland station was a late one. I can only guess originally it may have been part of WRE, and when that was cancelled they built a separate station. Tomorrowland was also due to receive a station BTW!
 

napnet

Active Member
Here is a map i found from 1972 that shows you entering Frontierland from the bathroom walkway...

<img src="http://www.wdwhistory.com/Share/Images/Image.Aspx?url=/App_Data/Maps/{09777D84-94AE-4133-901D-3E48E3B042FD}.jpg&size=160"/>

Link to larger image
 

RonAnnArbor

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By the way - many of the animatronics from the scrapped WRE which were already designed and finished ended up in Big Thunder Mountain -- billygoat and all...
 

napnet

Active Member
Here is the map from Frontierland/Liberty Square to Adventureland... notice again the path through what is currently the bathroom area next to the Tiki room.

<img src="http://www.wdwhistory.com/Share/Images/Image.Aspx?url=/App_Data/Maps/{E3A87484-0BE9-436B-A20F-8AD0B49B4655}.jpg&size=160">

Larger view of map
 

marni1971

Park History nut
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Nice find, napnet. Thanks! Now to find a photo of that wall infront of the Tropical Serenade...

I`ve sent shouts out to everyone I know, from PotC CM`s to guest relations. Still drawing a blank!
 

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