AceAstro
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Considering you’ve mentioned this idea three times in this thread I feel like you’re pretty set on this idea...
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What to put in the northwestern end of the Magic Kingdom?
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spacemt354
Chili's
So I guess two launch coasters opening up in 2021 in Tomorrowland and Future World, when Disney already has a launch coaster... is Disney not wanting to duplicate other ride systems?
Who cares what the ride system is....it's the experience that counts...and the story/themes of Test Track and Radiator Springs are completely different.
I would be, except I don't want to spread the Mickey and friends presence in attractions too thin. One thing I thought of was to it something like a riverfront city in the early 20th century.
spacemt354
Chili's
Then do that.
If the experience is all that counts, they would have duplicated, say, the Indiana Jones system in another park besides the Animal Kingdom or another river rapids ride elsewhere besides just Epcot.
I don't know much about the launch coaster in Epcot (I'm guessing that's the GOTG thing replacing the Universe of Energy), but are you saying that they are both using the EXACT same technology?
But I don't want, say, the 1920s, which might be the theme of the riverfront area, to clash with 18th century New England. The transition from Liberty Square to Frontierland was carefully transitioned (although there was a thematic detour for Splash Mountain recently). If I do anything up there, the transition should not be so abrupt from one to the other.
TwilightZone
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If you're all for realism, it is realistic for disney to use the same ride system more than once. Not that disney doesn't make new ride technology, because they do, but they also really like to use ride systems that already exist as well for supporting rides, such as spinners and the like. Also the only reason I can think of as to why the dinosaur ride technology hasn't been cloned yet is because disney doesn't have any ideas on making any clones of it at the moment and because it is a major e-ticket.
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spacemt354
Chili's
You keep harping on Indiana Jones when not only are there rumors currently of Indiana Jones coming to Animal Kingdom, but there were always blue sky ideas of it coming to DHS. Just because it didn't does not mean that it was completely because of similar ride systems.
There are way too many examples to refute your claims.
Star Tours and Body Wars were the exact same system.
There were (at a time) 4 separate 3D shows, one at each park - using the exact same technology (now there are 3D shows at 3/4 parks)
As mentioned omnimovers were used throughout the parks -- Haunted Mansion, Buzz, Spaceship Earth.
Aladdin and Dumbo are both spinners
Radiator Springs does things (and has Audio-Animatronics) that Test Track does not have.
But you seem set in your ways so idk why I'm wasting my time.
AceAstro
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To be fair however, this ride system has barely been replicated at all. It’s for dinosaur in Animal Kingdom and an Indiana Jones ride in Tokyo and that’s it. So to have it in MK feels fine to me.
I've heard some people complain about duplicating things across the board, like it's lazy and unoriginal. That's what I am trying to avoid. If you put too many of the same kind of thing in any one park, I'm not sure people will be motivated to go to other parks. Then the parks will be seen as competing.
AceAstro
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That’s not entirely true. I’d say around half of Epcot attractions are a boat ride or an omnimover and they don’t compete with each other. Even though a ride system adds to an attraction, people care more about the experience.
That’s why there can be 2 (or 3? It’s been a while) Circle vision theatres in the World Showcase alone.
New question: if I went with the early 20th century for a theme here, how can it transition to the 17th/18th century represented by Liberty Square? I don't want to be disruptive in terms of being thematic. There's an article in Passport 2 Dreams that objected to putting Splash Mountain where it is in Florida. This is off-topic, I know, but the objection is disruption of flow, because it "makes mince of the careful architectural and conceptual progression of Magic Kingdom's river district, the true heart and most accomplished area of the park". Here's how the river district is described by the author:
"Liberty Square sweeps from upper New England (The Haunted Mansion) down through Philadelphia and Virginia (The Hall of Presidents) before heading west and transitioning to Frontierland at St. Louis (The Diamond Horseshoe). It then proceeds through the frontier territories, perhaps Kansas and Colorado, before arriving at cowboy vernacular architecture (Pecos Bill Cafe), then heading direct for the great Southwest pueblo architecture and monument valley (Big Thunder Mountain). This means that Splash Mountain's "deep south" is inserted directly into the section of the progression which once had a unified southwest and desert rock look. Lots of trees and an orange-red color help ease the intrusion, but an intrusion it indeed is."
I guess I could theme my riverfront land to something like New York, but even so, it would be a detour from the "upper New England" area of Liberty Square represented by the Haunted Mansion, especially since it's intrusive time-wise (20th century vs. 17th/18th century).
"Liberty Square sweeps from upper New England (The Haunted Mansion) down through Philadelphia and Virginia (The Hall of Presidents) before heading west and transitioning to Frontierland at St. Louis (The Diamond Horseshoe). It then proceeds through the frontier territories, perhaps Kansas and Colorado, before arriving at cowboy vernacular architecture (Pecos Bill Cafe), then heading direct for the great Southwest pueblo architecture and monument valley (Big Thunder Mountain). This means that Splash Mountain's "deep south" is inserted directly into the section of the progression which once had a unified southwest and desert rock look. Lots of trees and an orange-red color help ease the intrusion, but an intrusion it indeed is."
I guess I could theme my riverfront land to something like New York, but even so, it would be a detour from the "upper New England" area of Liberty Square represented by the Haunted Mansion, especially since it's intrusive time-wise (20th century vs. 17th/18th century).
The90skid
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Just make Indy have an archaeological dig in the Old West!
It's not going to be an extension of Frontierland. If it was, it would be connected by a real footpath past Big Thunder. The real footpath is from Liberty Square.
I don't want to just replicate New Orleans Square, especially since its two main attractions are not even in that area of the park in Florida. According to this article on the Florida Pirates ride from Passport 2 Dreams, it explains why:
"It is commonly repeated that WED wanted something more exotic than a New Orleans setting for the East Coast version of Pirates of the Caribbean and as such did not repeat the Big Easy themeing. This may be true but I think there is a more pragmatic answer. Although it's not as if New Orleans is closer to California than it is to Florida, San Juan (where the fortress that would provide a model for Florida's facade stood) and the real Caribbean are a lot closer to Central Florida than New Orleans is, and if Disney had felt it were worth repeating the New Orleans Square they most likely would have considered it. The reason New Orleans Square was out is because so much of it's essential makeup had already been repeated in the Magic Kingdom park in Liberty Square. There was, of course, the Haunted Mansion, but even many of the New Orleans shops had been faithfully inserted in Florida. The One-of-a-Kind Shop became Old World Antiques, Le Gourmet became the Yankee Trader, and even the Silver shop was included. So it wasn't simply a matter of not wanting to replicate a New Orleans setting for the Florida Pirate ride due to regional tastes; any New Orleans area anchoring the ride would require a total reimagining from the ground up anyway due to what Disney had already installed in the park they were working with."
So I think the New Orleans setting, for several reasons, won't cut it here. In addition to the arguments mentioned above, I would also like to add that there is the Port Orleans Resorts on property, too, which also has a New Orleans theme.
Another idea I had was something like the American Waterfront, but rethemed to something like the Pacific rather than the Atlantic, maybe like San Francisco/Seattle, as a "counter" of sorts to New York/Cape Cod. Maybe the Steamboat Willie ride can go in there somehow. The main challenge there is doing it so it won't clash with the architecture there.
AceAstro
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It wouldn't be a replicate. That's why I said a "version" of it. I even mentioned Tiana in there. But you still seem very focused on a Steamboat Willie attraction.
Well, Steamboat Willie and the Princess and the Frog ride are all I can think of right now, and I think there needs to be more to do than that. And besides, the New Orleans theme already exists to a degree at the Port Orleans resorts, as I said (or at least the French Quarter section).
Also, I don't believe my question was really answered: can a Toontown-like area exist in the park even though there is a circus-like area already with a few ties to Toontown (i.e., the Goofy roller coaster)?
Twilight_Roxas
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Well there's always a IP from 20th Century Fox not counting The Simpsons in Universal, and Avatar in Animal Kingdom.
I'd rather not think about that, please.