What Next At Walt Disney World?

tjkraz

Active Member
Not that I know anything, but I would guess that, IF DVC were to ever build Value accommodations, they could exclude people who buy into the Value accommodations from being able to exchange out into RCI. I mean, if they wanted to, they could create a whole nother timeshare program expressly for wings of moderate resorts and "value suites." Call it Disney Value Vacation Club or something. They could sell the points for less than the points for Deluxe Villas, AND make it possible for there to be exchanges between the new and old DVC, but put a premium on the DVC points over the DVVC points. 78 points gets a DVC member a week in an Old Key West Studio during Value Season, but if you're a DVVC member, it'll cost you 117m which would be 78 x 1.5. Likewise, if a week in a Value Suite costs a DVVC member 102 points, it'd only cost a DVC member who wanted to exchange 68 points which is 102 divided by 1.5. And DVVC members can't use their points to exchange anywhere but as part of the Disney Collection.

Certainly there are many thing that Disney CAN legally do, but I don't see any real signs that they are interested in building a "Value DVC" location.

The current product is very simple to explain. Even the RCI trading options--which are more troublesome than a salesperson will typically let on--have the same concept at their core (points = room.)

But when you start to introduce DVC Deluxe, DVC Value, different owners paying different rates for the same accommodations, some owners can trade and others cannot, potentially different booking windows...the entire program suffers due to the complexities. Some people would walk away simply because they cannot immediately grasp all of the except/but conditions involved with booking certain destinations.

A Value/Moderate DVC may allow them to attract new customers. But they would lose business via some buyers choosing to purchase the Value DVC rather than the Deluxe DVC. Disney wants to use DVC to up-sell people to Deluxe accommodations--not just to give them a cheaper way to maintain their current Value or Moderate habits.

From a marketing standpoint, it costs about the same to complete a sale regardless of whether the buyer purchases 160 points or 1000 points. In other words, selling 500 Deluxe contracts of 160 points each is FAR more profitable than selling 1000 Value contracts of 80 points each.

Additionally, in today's economy lending has come under greater scrutiny. DVC is requiring greater downpayments than they did a couple years ago, and in some cases they are even withholding incentives until buyers complete several months worth of payments (the recent AP incentive.)

With that in mind, to be blunt I don't see Disney going to great lengths to offer 10-year mortgages to people who can't even afford the $250 monthly payment required to buy 160 points at the current Deluxe locations.



I agree, the sleeper chair MUST be added throughout DVC, we were so disappointed that with the recent renovation at BWV, there was no sleeper chair added to the 1BR. It has been a problem for us over the years as we have 3 kids. They have added the chairs to AK Villas and they are in BLT but they need to be all over.

They don't have the space for the sleeper chair in most of the older villas. The rooms at Kidani, BLT and VGC were built wider than previous resorts. The sleeper chair fits between the queen sofabed and the TV/armoire.

Old Key West villas are more spacious and will be getting the sleeper chairs also. But the other resorts just don't have room. I had hoped perhaps they would add the fold-down Murphy Beds that have been included in the design at VGC, but the fact that BWV did not get them speaks for itself. Perhaps the walls are not reinforced enough to mount the Murphy Bed frame or the space is still too narrow for even that addition.

Those who bought into Old Key West when DVC was in its infancy will tell you that Disney initially positioned the program as being truly elite destinations. The One Bedroom villas were presented as being more suitable for just two occupants (given the presence of just one legitimate bed), while the sofabed was still available in a pinch. Two Bedroom villas were portrayed as being best-suited for 4-6 occupants.

The desire to grow the program and increase sales have driven DVC to expand that occupancy, particularly with the sleeper chair.

In most cases, even that is just a temporary solution for families. In theory, it sounds great to buy into DVC--book One Bedroom villas--and put the kids ages 4, 6 and 8 in the living room. Even in the older resorts, you put two on the sleeper sofa and a third in a sleeping bag or air bed. But good luck staying in that One Bedroom when those kids are ages 12, 14 and 16...especially if you only have one bathroom. :dazzle:
 

dizzney

Member
They don't have the space for the sleeper chair in most of the older villas. The rooms at Kidani, BLT and VGC were built wider than previous resorts. The sleeper chair fits between the queen sofabed and the TV/armoire.

Old Key West villas are more spacious and will be getting the sleeper chairs also. But the other resorts just don't have room. I had hoped perhaps they would add the fold-down Murphy Beds that have been included in the design at VGC, but the fact that BWV did not get them speaks for itself. Perhaps the walls are not reinforced enough to mount the Murphy Bed frame or the space is still too narrow for even that addition.

Those who bought into Old Key West when DVC was in its infancy will tell you that Disney initially positioned the program as being truly elite destinations. The One Bedroom villas were presented as being more suitable for just two occupants (given the presence of just one legitimate bed), while the sofabed was still available in a pinch. Two Bedroom villas were portrayed as being best-suited for 4-6 occupants.

The desire to grow the program and increase sales have driven DVC to expand that occupancy, particularly with the sleeper chair.

In most cases, even that is just a temporary solution for families. In theory, it sounds great to buy into DVC--book One Bedroom villas--and put the kids ages 4, 6 and 8 in the living room. Even in the older resorts, you put two on the sleeper sofa and a third in a sleeping bag or air bed. But good luck staying in that One Bedroom when those kids are ages 12, 14 and 16...especially if you only have one bathroom. :dazzle:


I didnt realize there wasnt enough room, In looking at the living room, I had thought if the right one was bought it would fit, Thats unfortuante.

It is certainly is more difficult now with three kids 18, 11 and 11 to sleep 5 in the one bedroom at BWV, We may end up with a two bedroom most of the time there now for both the beds and the bathroom, thank goodness we added on enough points to be able to do that.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
Certainly there are many thing that Disney CAN legally do, but I don't see any real signs that they are interested in building a "Value DVC" location.

The current product is very simple to explain. Even the RCI trading options--which are more troublesome than a salesperson will typically let on--have the same concept at their core (points = room.)

But when you start to introduce DVC Deluxe, DVC Value, different owners paying different rates for the same accommodations, some owners can trade and others cannot, potentially different booking windows...the entire program suffers due to the complexities. Some people would walk away simply because they cannot immediately grasp all of the except/but conditions involved with booking certain destinations.

A Value/Moderate DVC may allow them to attract new customers. But they would lose business via some buyers choosing to purchase the Value DVC rather than the Deluxe DVC. Disney wants to use DVC to up-sell people to Deluxe accommodations--not just to give them a cheaper way to maintain their current Value or Moderate habits.

From a marketing standpoint, it costs about the same to complete a sale regardless of whether the buyer purchases 160 points or 1000 points. In other words, selling 500 Deluxe contracts of 160 points each is FAR more profitable than selling 1000 Value contracts of 80 points each.

Additionally, in today's economy lending has come under greater scrutiny. DVC is requiring greater downpayments than they did a couple years ago, and in some cases they are even withholding incentives until buyers complete several months worth of payments (the recent AP incentive.)

With that in mind, to be blunt I don't see Disney going to great lengths to offer 10-year mortgages to people who can't even afford the $250 monthly payment required to buy 160 points at the current Deluxe locations.

Well, considering it's not happening, arguing it is a bit of a moot point, but aside from the possibility of "losing money" by allowing people to buy fewer points (assuming the cost of closing a deal is the same regardless of how many points they purchase), and the more stringent restrictions placed on people financing their buy-in into the DVC, I'm not sure the concept of a "Value" DVC is so difficult to grasp.

If you are a member of DVC as it stands, nothing changes, except that you now have options to stay at a few additional places where your points may afford you longer or more stays.

If there were a "Value DVC," sure, you'd have a different set of rules, but really, how difficult do you think it would be to understand those rules, even if you're the type of person who has no faith in humanity? Sales rep: "Well, I can understand that buying into the DVC is a considerable investment. Please let me tell you, there is now a "Value DVC" available. It does NOT give you all of the benefits of the DVC - you would not be able to use your points anywhere else but Walt Disney World, and if you wanted to stay anywhere but your home resort, your vacations would not be as long as they would be IN the Pop Century Villas - but the cost to buy in is much lower, and if you know you will be spending many vacations here with us at Walt Disney World, it will give you greater flexibility and affordability. Would you like to know more?" Doesn't seem like a brain strain to me.
 

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