What needs to be done to fix Tomorrowland??

[barnum42]

Originally posted by Lee
Ummmmm..
A clone?

Not even close. Merely another Vekoma coaster with inversions. No other similarities at all.

A clone is an exact (or close) copy of an existing attraction.

Bristish humour does not always travel abroad. I am aware of the exact meaning of clone. What I was trying to get across is that Rock and Roll is a coaster with a few loops / corkscrews and a sound system. So is Disneyland Paris coaster. By replacing WDE Space Mountain with a the Paris version they would end up with two similar rides in the park.

But that has not stopped them doing it in paris. Or stopped them giving us variations on the Dumbo ride.

 

[Sherm00]

I think they should shoot for more of a sci fi theme for tomorrowland. the speedway must go, Buzz and stitch fit well, space mountian is good and COP should be redone and moved into innovations in epcot. then do a Horizons type ride where COP is now, then do something with TRON or the black hole etc or other disney sci fi movies and put it where the speedway is. if they want to keep the speedway they should make it smaller move the entrance toward toon town and make it into a kiddy ride.

 

[BwanaBob]

Look at it this way...Attendance & repeat ride-"ability". Doesn't it seem Disney "kills" the less riden attractions after their appeal wears off? If it wasn't for Walt, COP probably would have been long gone by now...
I still remember as a kid waiting time after time to finally be tall enough to drive my own car w/out my dad next to me! It may seem lame, but the rush you felt to finally actually drive a car without it being some carnie bumper-car rig was something I looked forward to at MK. My kids are feeling this now...and as much as I can't stand standing in that miserable 40 min wait, I love (used to love now that they changed it) hearing "Please slow down...and do NOT strike the car ahead" from when I would SLAM into my dad!
Definately put in Fast-Pass!

 

[BwanaBob]

Originally posted by Sherm00
I think they should shoot for more of a sci fi theme for tomorrowland. the speedway must go, Buzz and stitch fit well, space mountian is good and COP should be redone and moved into innovations in epcot. then do a Horizons type ride where COP is now, then do something with TRON or the black hole etc or other disney sci fi movies and put it where the speedway is. if they want to keep the speedway they should make it smaller move the entrance toward toon town and make it into a kiddy ride.

$$$$$$$$???

I already had to sit through one "renovation" of Tomorrowland...leave it be. There's plenty of room on the property for sci-fi. I heard of another park that is "movie" related that seems to have some land avail for lease.

 

[he-guy]

Originally posted by matt88mph
I'd just like to say, now that we're talking about the Tomorrowland Indy Speedway, I think it might be better if they add FASTPASS. I've gone to Magic Kingdom once every year for about 8 years now and I've NEVER been on the Tomorrowland Indy Speedway because of the LOOOOOOOOOOOONG lines.

Originally posted by mikeb_86
Add a FP to the Speedway but first close the ride down and redo the track and new cars and maybe make a new name this can be a 05 or 06 thing then reopen with FP!!!

mikeb_86

Originally posted by BwanaBob
Look at it this way...Attendance & repeat ride-"ability". Doesn't it seem Disney "kills" the less riden attractions after their appeal wears off? If it wasn't for Walt, COP probably would have been long gone by now...
I still remember as a kid waiting time after time to finally be tall enough to drive my own car w/out my dad next to me! It may seem lame, but the rush you felt to finally actually drive a car without it being some carnie bumper-car rig was something I looked forward to at MK. My kids are feeling this now...and as much as I can't stand standing in that miserable 40 min wait, I love (used to love now that they changed it) hearing "Please slow down...and do NOT strike the car ahead" from when I would SLAM into my dad!
Definately put in Fast-Pass!

Sorry to everyone who thinks that Fastpass would fix Indy Speedway, its just not feasible. Every other attraction or show with FP has something the Speedway doesn't - a certain amount of time to get through. With Speedway, you never know how long it will take, its all based on the people ahead of and around you. This info comes straight from a CM in TL. :brick:

 

[PeeplMoovr]

This is idealistic, but I'd like to see them get rid of the Speedway and re-build Horizons where the Speedway is. Then I could just go back and forth between CoP and Horizons in a sort of sequel-prequel thing.
Since that's very unlikely to happen, I'd get rid of the Speedway and build another dark ride where it is. And I'd keep Timekeeper and CoP open all year round.
Lastly, I'd have them re-rename the TTA back to Wedway Peoplemover.

 

[disneyfreak62]

I voted for a new Space Mountain, at least a new ride system, maybe like DLP. BUT WDW's Tomorrowland is a showplace compared to DL's which needs major help.

 

[attisb]

I have two ideas that could replace speedway. They are availabe here to read:

Ride 1: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28833

Ride 2: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28834

Post your comments on those rides in there threads.

 

[UncleJeet]

We don't need "thrill rides" - we need "thrilling rides." These are two entirely different things. You can ride a thrill ride at any local amusement park that does nothing more than haul you up in the air and drop you. It's a thrill, but it's pretty mundane. At Disney, however, you can ride something that does the same thing, but with theming and with style. It then becomes thrilling.

The biggest trend we're likely to see, either from Universal or Disney, is the blending of traditional dark ride techniques with standard carny thrills. Imagine a combination roller coaster / dark ride, where the coaster tells a story. Basically something like any simulation ride, only the movement is real. When you narrowly dodge the asteroid, you actually narrowly dodge the asteroid with all of the appropriate sensations.

Apart from this, technology is once again going to play a crucial role in developing new theme park content. Universal's Spider-Man ride is a prime example of this. This is a very thrilling ride that doesn't involve any aspect of a traditional thrill ride. The story and the technology that brings it to life is what makes the ride exciting.

The Magic Kingdom does not need thrill rides, it needs to take the traditional dark ride concept and infuse it with current high technology to create rides that are just as magic today as Pirates was so many years ago. (Although, to me, the magic of the old AA dark rides will never die.)

 

[attisb]

Originally posted by UncleJeet
We don't need "thrill rides" - we need "thrilling rides." These are two entirely different things. You can ride a thrill ride at any local amusement park that does nothing more than haul you up in the air and drop you. It's a thrill, but it's pretty mundane. At Disney, however, you can ride something that does the same thing, but with theming and with style. It then becomes thrilling.

The biggest trend we're likely to see, either from Universal or Disney, is the blending of traditional dark ride techniques with standard carny thrills. Imagine a combination roller coaster / dark ride, where the coaster tells a story. Basically something like any simulation ride, only the movement is real. When you narrowly dodge the asteroid, you actually narrowly dodge the asteroid with all of the appropriate sensations.

Apart from this, technology is once again going to play a crucial role in developing new theme park content. Universal's Spider-Man ride is a prime example of this. This is a very thrilling ride that doesn't involve any aspect of a traditional thrill ride. The story and the technology that brings it to life is what makes the ride exciting.

The Magic Kingdom does not need thrill rides, it needs to take the traditional dark ride concept and infuse it with current high technology to create rides that are just as magic today as Pirates was so many years ago. (Although, to me, the magic of the old AA dark rides will never die.)

Ride 2 sort of fits your description, it takesa dark ride concept but adds a twist at the end of it being a roller coaster. The roller coaster is done in the dark with things that pop out (think RnRC), but the ride begins with a AA type ride with characters and such.

 

[MartyMouse]

The CEO just called

Ok lets say Mike calls me into his office and says “Marty, tell me what you think of Tomorrowland.” I would turn to him and say, “It stinks.”

You see when I was a kid we would always want to go to Tomorrowland first (and never get to) – it had a cool future look (well we thought it was in the 70s & 80s) – it had the coolest rides - it had great shops (only place to get Tron stuff and knock off Transformers) and outside of Pinocchio’s it had the coolest restaurant the Tomorrowland Terrace.

What’s there now??? No true theme – cool rides that are never open (and as cool as Buzz Light-year is – it’s still the same “If You Had Wings” track) and just large empty areas.

When they re-themed the land back in the 90s I though cool this new X-S Tech concept will be the back story of the land – nope. It looks as if they started to re-work the place and stopped half way. Tomorrowland was cooler before they “fixed” it. Having been to Disneyland and Disneyland Paris our Tomorrowland looks like the poor cousin - not the #1 theme park in the world.

“So Martin, what would you?” That’s what Mike would say next.

Well let us start at the beginning, pick a theme and go with it, Disney has made a bunch
of Science Fiction films to base the land on or go with a Discoveryland idea whatever -
just pick something and go with it.

1.Change the main entrance to reflect a new theme but make it big and impressive so that you can’t see into Tomorrowland - keep it a mystery.

2.You got the Stitch ride - can’t do anything about it now so tie the entire entrance way into that - keep the design constant across the walk way to the Time Keeper – that needs an over haul. Shoot 4 or 5 different circle vision films with different segment that could be cut together to make dozens of films so you never get the same movie twice. Let’s face it they need to do something - circle visions day is almost up.

3.The area where the Tomorrowland stage is needs to go – place a 3-D Sci-Fi movie theater there make like a Tron 2.0 3-D movie based on the video game.

4.Overhaul the Carousel of Progress, new song all new scenes but keep the same concept and message (it’s very import to get that message out and also it keeps a tie to the past). Don’t just change the end overhaul the entire thing.

5.Where the skyway once was open The Tomorrowland Historic society have interactive displays on different concepts of the future from the past (like Horizons had) and have some exhibits on past rides from Tomorrowland kind of a walk through thing.

6.TTA needs a slight over hall re-theme the track design make it more fun to look at – also place more exhibits for people to see from the ride. Oh and change the VO to inform people about the technology that is at work making them move. I always found how the ride works fascinating.

7.Space Mountain is a classic the ride works it shouldn’t be taken out, but re-theme the exterior to reflect the new Tomorrowland theme like they did in Disneyland.

8.Now for the Speedway it’s got to go. Replace it with an indoor attraction that would feature a VR speedway - the driver sits in enclosed mo-sim cars with video screens that are all tied to a central computer that can have 20 races on the same track at once. 7 station going at the same time 140 people at once (every 3.5 min). The tracks could be chosen randomly so again never the same ride twice. That would free up land for future development.

And that’s what I have to say about that.

Naturally the budget for this would be too high and Mike would kick me out of his office.

But let me know what you think – any good ideas???

 

[Testtrack321]

I think that a re-hab of Space Mtn is needed. Not to add inversions and such, but to just make it safer, more reliable, and just more modern. Also, adding a sound track like the DL one would be good.

Also, something needs to be done about the Tomorrowland temporary amplatheater (that really crappy thing infront of the Skyway) and the Tomorrowland Theater, the one next to Cop & Buzz. JUST REMOVE THE TEMPORARY ONE, it's just AWFUL, ugly, and NEVER USED. Also, can't they just do some tieding up of the Theater and make it a meet-n-greet, instead of having it in the middle of a walkway?

As for CoP, They need to paint it and update it to look like the rest of Tomorrowland. Also a new sign would be nice.

I think that the TTA cars need a BIG rehab and a general re-tooling to look nicer.

REPLACE THE MISSING PLANETS IN THE ASTRO ORBITER!!!

Tomorrowland Speedway, well, you know what needs to happen there.

Except for a few cleaning issues, everything else I'll keep as is.

 

[beast]

Replacement of the Speedway by another attraction

The Speedway is such a major waste of space. Use the area
for one great ride or two medium rides.

 

[BwanaBob]

Originally posted by Testtrack321


REPLACE THE MISSING PLANETS IN THE ASTRO ORBITER!!!

Forgive me if this was in an earlier post, but why did they stop the planets from turning in the Orbiter?

 

[Swagger]

I have to agree with the renovation of Space Mtn. to something more like DLP's. It would simply be beautiful. The Space building is already bigger then DLP's so imagine what could be put in there. Uphill launch, inversions, MUSIC! *dreams* I know it's a classic but I would sacrafice it for something even similar to DLP's beautiful ride.
DLP got our RnRC so I say we get their Space. They're in two completely dif. parks anyways.

 

[cymbaldiva]

Hmm....

Well, first I'd give CoP the TLC it really deserves... amazing what a good cleaning can do for an amazing yet highly underated attraction!

After that, I'd close Buzz down for a rehab - apparently it's here to stay, so let's put the $$ into it to make it memorable.

Finally, I'd kill the whole "Stitch as an attraction" idea - I find it troubling that an attraction like AE that offered such original characters has been shot down for yet another kiddie ride with a gift shop.

Whup Stitch - Long Live Skippy!

 

[Cuseorng1]

I think all are right in sayin that the Speedway has to go. They should also make Buzz Lightyear a longer ride, and they should give a cookie for ur score. The higher the score the bigger the cookie

 

[disneyfreak62]

I think that a re-hab of Space Mtn is needed...adding a sound track like the DL one would be good.

In case you haven't heard, DL's SM is currently under a 2+year renovation which will reportedly give it new cars, new queue, new effects, and music. It also appears that it might be going back to it's original white extrior color. The plan is to open it as part of the 50th.

 

[BwanaBob]

Anyone (CM's) know about the whole planets-not-spinning-on the A-orbiter? I asked a CM a while back, but they didn't know. I know there was enough clearance between the spinning spheres and the rockets to keep guests from actually touching them... but every time I ask, I get the "they just stopped turning one day" line.:veryconfu

 

[SNS]

Originally posted by MartyMouse
4.Overhaul the Carousel of Progress, new song all new scenes but keep the same concept and message (it’s very import to get that message out and also it keeps a tie to the past). Don’t just change the end overhaul the entire thing.

If they changed the whole thing, then what would be the point of keeping it? The main reason why it's important to keep it is because it's a classic made by Walt.