What if…Magic Kingdom was built today?

MickeyMouse10

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Or the theming just changed to have small areas for different regions of American "biomes" The biomes of course being the deserts out in the back, the bayou down south, and the forested areas of national parks. Almost like an adventure through America.

LOL, do you work for Disney?

Because that sounds like something they'd say. To try and convince people that their unrelated attractions and themes match. What's next Tomorrowland with cavemen? The World Showcase with Star Wars planets? Toy Story Land with Marvel characters?

"Well Andy played with a Captain America action figure!"
 

AidenRodriguez731

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LOL, do you work for Disney?

Because that sounds like something they'd say. To try and convince people that their unrelated attractions and themes match. What's next Tomorrowland with cavemen? The World Showcase with Star Wars planets? Toy Story Land with Marvel characters?

"Well Andy played with a Captain America action figure!"
Honestly Toy Story land with Marvel characters wouldnt be the worst thing if it was clearly toys.

I mean I gave a clearly defined example of what a new Frontierland looks like in the Disney eyes. It's about exploring the American wilderness + pioneering their path (literally said by Disney)

If you want to argue that you don't like that, sure that's fine. But don't for a second tell me that Georgia, Missouri, and Tennessee (all Frontierland attractions 3/4 of them even) are more "Wild West" than Louisiana. Absolutely insane take especially when the land already has an attraction that establishes it in the 1920s or later.
 

Miru

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Honestly Toy Story land with Marvel characters wouldnt be the worst thing if it was clearly toys.

I mean I gave a clearly defined example of what a new Frontierland looks like in the Disney eyes. It's about exploring the American wilderness + pioneering their path (literally said by Disney)

If you want to argue that you don't like that, sure that's fine. But don't for a second tell me that Georgia, Missouri, and Tennessee (all Frontierland attractions 3/4 of them even) are more "Wild West" than Louisiana. Absolutely insane take especially when the land already has an attraction that establishes it in the 1920s or later.
Again, why does “Splash Mountain With Br’er Rabbit” disgust you so much?
 

MickeyMouse10

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Honestly Toy Story land with Marvel characters wouldnt be the worst thing if it was clearly toys.

I mean I gave a clearly defined example of what a new Frontierland looks like in the Disney eyes. It's about exploring the American wilderness + pioneering their path (literally said by Disney)

If you want to argue that you don't like that, sure that's fine. But don't for a second tell me that Georgia, Missouri, and Tennessee (all Frontierland attractions 3/4 of them even) are more "Wild West" than Louisiana. Absolutely insane take especially when the land already has an attraction that establishes it in the 1920s or later.

The years on the building you referenced are just to show the progression of time from the 1700's in Liberty Square to the late 1800's in Frontierland. Where Country Bears sits is the Old West section of the Frontier. Which was about the mid-1860's to the late 1890's. The show seems to be done in a Grand Ole Opry style, which was established in 1925, but has the theming from the Old West.

It doesn't have to be Wild West themed though, just Frontier or Country themed. Tiana's neither though. The ride is suitable in Disneyland where they have a New Orleans section. But not in Florida.

It's just a way to save money. They did the same thing with Frozen and even with lands like Monstropolis. Rather than creating a new ride (in Fantasyland) and/or structure they are just reusing an existing one. They are also getting rid of a lot of animatronics, that they won't have to refurb. All they have now is a few real animatronics and a lot that move less than my granny.

As an added bonus Iger can act like he did something and get his fake pat on the back by the paid media. Who have made up and tried to gaslight people into believing that something was wrong with "Song of the South". A movie that earned James Baskett, the first Academy Award for a black man. That was about freed people in the South after the Civil War.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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The years on the building you referenced are just to show the progression of time from the 1700's in Liberty Square to the late 1800's in Frontierland. Where Country Bears sits is the Old West section of the Frontier. Which was about the mid-1860's to the late 1890's. The show seems to be done in a Grand Ole Opry style, which was established in 1925, but has the theming from the Old West.

It doesn't have to be Wild West themed though, just Frontier or Country themed. Tiana's neither though. The ride is suitable in Disneyland where they have a New Orleans section. But not in Florida.

It's just a way to save money. They did the same thing with Frozen and even with lands like Monstropolis. Rather than creating a new ride (in Fantasyland) and/or structure they are just reusing an existing one. They are also getting rid of a lot of animatronics, that they won't have to refurb. All they have now is a few real animatronics and a lot that move less than my granny.

As an added bonus Iger can act like he did something and get his fake pat on the back by the paid media. Who have made up and tried to gaslight people into believing that something was wrong with "Song of the South". A movie that earned James Baskett, the first Academy Award for a black man. That was about freed people in the South after the Civil War.
Louisiana is not Country themed? What are you even saying man? What defines a place being country enough for you?

Country Bears is CANONICALLY AND EXPLICTLY SET AFTER 1927 which follows the Opry style. Why are we going to ignore that to say "but it has theming to the 1860s"? And then putting it Medieval Europe fantasyland? I'm in awe of your lack of common sense. Song Of the South has problems. Full stop. Even when it was released, it was controversial and takes a very specific view on plantation life. I don't know how you went about this tirade without the very basics of American History behind you but the American South was NOT a good place for "freed people" after the Civil War. The movie actually explictly mentions "share-cropping"

Here is an interesting article about the problems with sharecropping. Share-cropping was a practice basically used to keep certain people (mostly Black people but also poor white people) under in a system where they always had to play "catch-up" to make do. It was a way to make people feel like they were doing something while never actually letting them own the land. The moment that better jobs for these people began sprouting up, the system was pretty much abandoned because it was NOT good for the sharecropper.


While it is an amazing feat to have James Baskett earn an academy award for his role, his victory is somewhat bittersweet as he plays a caricature in a movie that is not fully sensitive or knowledgable about the core issue. When paired with the source material being from a white guy who took African American stories, without credit, made up his own caricature of black people, and used his own interpretation on how he THOUGHT black people talked at the time.

And then of course you have things like the tar baby scene that really remind you what you're watching.

Simply put, something like this, is lost to the times. Disney is not a museum and an attraction from the 80s based on a movie that was starting to show its age then should not be memorialized as some untouchable relic.
here is a little history article on it.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Again, why does “Splash Mountain With Br’er Rabbit” disgust you so much?
Who said it disgusts me?

I actually mentioned many times on this forum liking the overall ride but understanding why it needed a replacement...

The source material does somewhat disgust me for the reasons listed above.
 

MickeyMouse10

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"It is here that we experience the story of our country's past -- the color, romance, and drama of frontier America as it developed from wilderness trails to roads, riverboats and civilization; a tribute to the faith, courage, and ingenuity of our hearty pioneers who blazed the trails and made this progress possible." -- Walt Disney


Weird!!! He didn't say anything about cartoon cars from the 21st century in his speech. I guess you'll say "He did mention roads."
 

AidenRodriguez731

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"It is here that we experience the story of our country's past -- the color, romance, and drama of frontier America as it developed from wilderness trails to roads, riverboats and civilization; a tribute to the faith, courage, and ingenuity of our hearty pioneers who blazed the trails and made this progress possible." -- Walt Disney


Weird!!! He didn't say anything about cartoon cars from the 21st century in his speech. I guess you'll say "He did mention roads."
Okay so we’re going to go by the definition for Disneyland then. The problem of course is that this doesn’t give a specific time, just “frontier America” which is surely not Georgia or Tennessee right? Now I don’t believe that Cars was the best fit for Frontierland at all. I would have preferred a different property but I know they wanted to kinda shoehorn cars somewhere in the parks and this was the place that kinda made the most sense financially. However, with a new definition of what Frontierland is, I can imagine it still working.
 

MickeyMouse10

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Okay so we’re going to go by the definition for Disneyland then. The problem of course is that this doesn’t give a specific time, just “frontier America” which is surely not Georgia or Tennessee right? Now I don’t believe that Cars was the best fit for Frontierland at all. I would have preferred a different property but I know they wanted to kinda shoehorn cars somewhere in the parks and this was the place that kinda made the most sense financially. However, with a new definition of what Frontierland is, I can imagine it still working.

I'm glad you at least admit that Cars doesn't belong. Honestly the only places that makes sense for it is either behind Big Thunder in it's own section or Hollywood Studios. Frontierland is possibly the worst place for it in Disney World.

Even Animal Kingdom or Epcot could make more sense. Mater timetraveling to the past and seeing Dinosaurs is more plausible.
 
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MickeyMouse10

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MickeyMouse10

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Yes and no. I think there’s is a major distinction between the Wild West and the 50s. Mostly that the Wild West has relatively fewer parts that would be seen as “safe” for a general modern family audience. The days of seeing Natives as an enemy and gun slinging bandits are not “cool” anymore and I can’t really blame anyone for thinking that because our real world is too similar. It used to be a goofy fantasy, now it’s a reminder. Nothing in Prime Time mentions the problems of the 50s while Frontierland does 100% have some depictions that can sour in the tastes of modern audiences. Look at what specifically was removed from Frontierland.

Frontierland Shooting Gallery - guns
Splash Mountain - unsavory black history
Rivers of America - Native American caricatures
Country Bear - Little Buford… and some other of the songs.
Tom Sawyer - Some of the stuff in it are definitely out of date especially some of the word choice.

It’s purposeful. There’s some other attractions I can see coming up that will change soon.

Fine, then let me give you more examples.

Roman times, the Hellenistic Period (Alexander the Great), Medieval Times and the American Revolution. Every time has had bad things happen in it. You can't pigeon hold an idea because of sensitive people who will cry about anything.
 

MickeyMouse10

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Think about it. How many Disney World parks would have been made in the 21st Century? With todays version of the Disney Company. It would probably be a stark contrast to what they did in the 20th Century. Because it's been 27 years since their last park (Animal Kingdom, 1998). And Weatherman Iger has never been the headdog for any of them.

Besides MK, they made 3 of them in the 80's (Epcot, MGM and Typhoon) and 2 of them in the 90's (Blizzard Beach and Animal Kingdom).
 
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Miru

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Think about it. How many Disney World parks would have made in the 21st Century? With todays version of the Disney Company. It would probably be a stark contrast to what they did in the 20th Century. Because it's been 27 years since their last park (Animal Kingdom, 1998). And Weatherman Iger has never been the headdog for any of them.

Besides MK, they made 3 of them in the 80's (Epcot, MGM and Typhoon) and 2 of them in the 90's (Blizzard Beach and Animal Kingdom).
One more in the 90s counting the late DisneyQuest.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Think about it. How many Disney World parks would have been made in the 21st Century? With todays version of the Disney Company. It would probably be a stark contrast to what they did in the 20th Century. Because it's been 27 years since their last park (Animal Kingdom, 1998). And Weatherman Iger has never been the headdog for any of them.

Besides MK, they made 3 of them in the 80's (Epcot, MGM and Typhoon) and 2 of them in the 90's (Blizzard Beach and Animal Kingdom).
I think all of them would be made except for something like Blizzard Beach or Animal Kingdom possibly.

Epcot would be an obvious choice to bring some of the nostalgia/Walt thing however, I think it would have been different in trying to emulate a city more.

AK would probably focus away from the animals due to the sometimes controversial nature of zoos but I could see a natural seeming park or something more like Islands of Adventure popping up.

HS is an obvious idea for a park but dropping the Studios theme because its pretty clear that overall, that theme doesn't do well with audiences. Something probably more like Epic Universe would take its place where you get direct distinct worlds/lands (similar to what they're doing with it now)
 

MickeyMouse10

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I think all of them would be made except for something like Blizzard Beach or Animal Kingdom possibly.

Epcot would be an obvious choice to bring some of the nostalgia/Walt thing however, I think it would have been different in trying to emulate a city more.

AK would probably focus away from the animals due to the sometimes controversial nature of zoos but I could see a natural seeming park or something more like Islands of Adventure popping up.

HS is an obvious idea for a park but dropping the Studios theme because its pretty clear that overall, that theme doesn't do well with audiences. Something probably more like Epic Universe would take its place where you get direct distinct worlds/lands (similar to what they're doing with it now)

I disagree, there's no way they'd have 5 parks.

Let's say for example, they instead made the Magic Kingdom in 2001 (instead of 71). Then did 1 park each decade after that, the most they would have park-wise right now is 3... and I doubt they would even have that many.

Plus the parks themings would be vastly different than it currently is. They'd be way more IP based and possibly based on more current movies. Sure you'd get some classic movies, but the lion share would be more modern. Especially if you take into account what the company has been like since Iger took over.

I'm sure we'd get a Magic Kingdom like park, but the rest could be anything thematically.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I disagree, there's no way they'd have 5 parks.

Let's say for example, they instead made the Magic Kingdom in 2001 (instead of 71). Then did 1 park each decade after that, the most they would have park-wise right now is 3... and I doubt they would even have that many.

Plus the parks theming would be vastly different than it currently is. They'd be way more IP based and possibly based on more current movies. Sure you'd get some classic movies, but the lion share would be more modern. Especially if you take into account what the company has been like since Iger took over.

I'm sure we'd get a Magic Kingdom like park, but the rest could be anything thematically.
IP is known to work so of course they're going to use it? It's a literal no brainer. The only people absolutely obsessed with new no-IP stuff is the people on these forums and obscure Disney fandom pages. Look around. People are praising the ground Universal walks on for their IP lands (and they have 2 parks just like the additions that Disney is trying to make that people are faulting them for). The ideas that others want to see for Disney rides are almost all IP based (they have a massive catalog of underutilized or never utilized IP) They could sell half their IP and still have enough IP for expansions for the next century if they wanted to.
 

MickeyMouse10

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IP is known to work so of course they're going to use it? It's a literal no brainer. The only people absolutely obsessed with new no-IP stuff is the people on these forums and obscure Disney fandom pages. Look around. People are praising the ground Universal walks on for their IP lands (and they have 2 parks just like the additions that Disney is trying to make that people are faulting them for). The ideas that others want to see for Disney rides are almost all IP based (they have a massive catalog of underutilized or never utilized IP) They could sell half their IP and still have enough IP for expansions for the next century if they wanted to.

I'm not saying IP's are bad, I just said there would be whole lands dedicated to them.

.... And they do need to be placed in the right spots. They haven't been doing that. They've just been tossing them whereever they want. Moana is from 2000 years ago, so she doesn't belong in Epcot. Adventureland would have been a prime location for anything Moana. There are a lot of other IP's that fit Epcot much better. Like Big Hero 6 and Wall-E.

As for the parks themings, you can't possibly think Epcot and Hollywood Studios would have been created today. They don't have the same types of people working at the company. Who knows if the parks would have themings at all. They might just be a bunch of lands thrown together with a very loose theming like Adventure and Wonder.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I'm not saying IP's are bad, just they need to be placed in the right spots. They haven't been doing that. They've just been tossing them whereever they want. Moana is from 2000 years ago, so she doesn't belong in Epcot. Adventureland would have been a prime location for anything Moana. There are a lot of other IP's that fit Epcot much better. Like Big Hero 6 and Wall-E.

As for the parks themings, you can't possibly think Epcot and Hollywood Studios would have been created today. They don't have the same types of people working at the company. Who knows if the parks would have themings at all. They might just be a bunch of lands thrown together with a very loose theming like Adventure and Wonder.
Spaceship Earth exists and you think Moana can’t fit at all because of the time period. It’s not even direct to Moana, it’s inspired by. It doesn’t have to take place in the same time period as she appears only in rock work teaching about the water cycle
 

MickeyMouse10

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Spaceship Earth exists and you think Moana can’t fit at all because of the time period. It’s not even direct to Moana, it’s inspired by. It doesn’t have to take place in the same time period as she appears only in rock work teaching about the water cycle

I don't get your point about Spaceship Earth, since you time travel and see your own future. Thus seeing a Community of Tomorrow.
 

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