What if…Magic Kingdom was built today?

AidenRodriguez731

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Let's start with Main Street, which would now be Mickey Avenue, as in Shanghai Disneyland. This land would be themed to Mickey and friends, of course, and it would add more IPs. The place where you can meet Mickey is now home to all of the Sensational Six. Don't worry, the railroad's still here. It's just that this land doesn't have a turn-of-the-century theme anymore.
Onto Adventureland, which has seen some changes. The Swiss Family Treehouse is swapped out for the Adventureland Treehouse from Disneyland, and the carpets would still exist. But unfortunately, the Tiki Room wouldn't exist. Instead, a new show themed to Moana (retelling the movie) would replace it. The Jungle Cruise would still exist (Disney's not that evil) but with more ties to SEA and random Disney character cameos. Pirates would still exist, except that it would be entirely based on the movies (and it uses the Shanghai ride system).
Frontierland isn't really unrecognizable, but in a way it is. First of all, Tom Sawyer Island wouldn't exist, it (and the Rivers of America as a whole) would be replaced by the Cars themed experience that they're adding in our world. Tiana's Bayou Adventure would be built, and Big Thunder Mountain wouldn't be built. It would be replaced by a coaster themed to Toy Story that only vaguely fits “Frontierland” (it would be themed to Woody's Roundup and have a design more suited for Fantasyland. The shooting gallery obviously wouldn't exist, and neither would the Country Bears (sadly). The latter would be replaced by a show featuring Mickey Mouse and friends (and possibly Toy Story characters too)

See what other changes are made in the next part.
I feel like I cannot possibly roll my eyes at this more if I tried. This is hardly an actual thought experiment and just Disney Rant #4310.

I was genuinekly interested in seeing what people would think got built now so its a little disappoitning.
 

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Splash Mountain would be Tiana-themed. Oh, wait! Damn right I'm salty. Like a day old Mickey pretzel. Turn a beloved attraction into a straight up turd. They should teach classes about this in Imagineering. Let it be a teaching moment.
 

Miru

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I'm glad we can still get the gem of name calling like "Tiana's Toilet Adventure". If we're going to be hypercritical over this, atleast pick a funny name or smth.
Who knows? If enough people keep voting Republican we could eventually get Splash Mountain back as Splash Mountain With Br’er Rabbit (like JII with Figment), complete with a Tiana Moon singing Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah!
 
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Miru

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Unfortunately for us, Disney would rather turn Frontierland into Front Tire Land than admit their mistake.

They got real geniuses working for them now. Somehow the section is going to be about Modern Cars and New Orleans in 1927. Do any of these modern "Supposed" Imagineers have anymore bad ideas? How about more screen rides and rollercoasters, so they can be even more like Universal and take away all the specialness of a Disney park.
Meanwhile Universal actually improves. Eventually, Disney admits defeat and turns into becoming more like Six Flags instead of Universal.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Unfortunately for us, Disney would rather turn Frontierland into Front Tire Land than admit their mistake.

They got real geniuses working for them now. Somehow the section is going to be about Modern Cars and New Orleans in 1927. Do any of these modern "Supposed" Imagineers have anymore bad ideas? How about more screen rides and rollercoasters, so they can be even more like Universal and take away all the specialness of a Disney park.

It's interesting that the Bears and Splash got a pass for not existing in the same timeline or location but Tiana's get constantly dunked on for it... I wonder what the difference is...

For example... we KNOW for a FACT that Country Bear Jamboree (the OG one) takes place after the year 1928 and the building is styled like a Tennesse building.

Song of the South takes place in Georgia, and as the story is literally named the SOUTH. It is a story passed through the Southern US+ the Carribean. Which part of that is the American frontier. Let's not even mention when/where Tom Sawyer would take place because I fear you could not handle the idea that all of the attractions of Frontierland are based on different regions of explored America.

But Tiana gets the hate?
 

AidenRodriguez731

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The Frontier officially ended in America in 1890. So country life in Georgia in the late 1800's fits the Frontier theming way more. Princess and the Frog meanwhile is more of a city centric story, because many scenes take place in New Orleans in the 1920's.

And when it comes to Country Bears, it's music style says it all. Country Western. Whereas Princess and the Frog is more Jazz based, which again happened in the city.
Luckily the ride takes place in the bayou and not New Orleans! Also Country Bear Jamboree takes place confirmed in 1928 or later as it’s established that the founder passed away in 1927. The hall itself is established to be built in the 1898 so by your logic, the original owner must have retired 2 years after building this and everyone just acts like he died even though he’s clearly dead as there is a memorial picture of him hung in the room.

Plus of course, big thunder mountains railroad was built in the later 1890s, however that’s not when you ride the actual ride. Ton Sawyer takes place in 1840 in Missouri. I would love to hear your take on how 1840s Missouri is the American frontier in addition to 1928s Tennessee while 1927 Louisiana is out of the question?
 

Miru

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Luckily the ride takes place in the bayou and not New Orleans! Also Country Bear Jamboree takes place confirmed in 1928 or later as it’s established that the founder passed away in 1927. The hall itself is established to be built in the 1898 so by your logic, the original owner must have retired 2 years after building this and everyone just acts like he died even though he’s clearly dead as there is a memorial picture of him hung in the room.

Plus of course, big thunder mountains railroad was built in the later 1890s, however that’s not when you ride the actual ride. Ton Sawyer takes place in 1840 in Missouri. I would love to hear your take on how 1840s Missouri is the American frontier in addition to 1928s Tennessee while 1927 Louisiana is out of the question?
Still, it’s in a bayou; and the original movie is largely set in an effing city! It’s almost as out of place as Cars is. I’d argue it is just as misplaced as Cars if we discuss the tone of the land. What’s next, Marvel? You would not be defending the ride if Tiana was a Marvel character.
 
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AidenRodriguez731

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Still, it’s in a bayou; and the original movie is largely set in an effing city! It’s almost as out of place as Cars is. I’d argue it is just as misplaced as Cars if we discuss the tone of the land. What’s next, Marvel? You would not be defending the ride if Tiana was a Marvel character.
I would if she was a Marvel character from the same time frame established throughout the rest of the land (1840ds-1930s)

Where the original film is set doesn't matter since Georgia is also not the Frontier. Unless you want to argue that Georgia (one of the original colonies) is the American frontier?
 

Miru

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I would if she was a Marvel character from the same time frame established throughout the rest of the land (1840ds-1930s)

Where the original film is set doesn't matter since Georgia is also not the Frontier. Unless you want to argue that Georgia (one of the original colonies) is the American frontier?
Are you arguing Splash belongs in Liberty Square? Tone wise, Liberty Square is one of the most serious and gritty lands Disney has ever made.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Are you arguing Splash belongs in Liberty Square? Tone wise, Liberty Square is one of the most serious and gritty lands Disney has ever made.
If you're arguing that Tiana's doesn't fit in Frontierland, I'm arguing that Tom Sawyer, Country Bears, and Splash all didn't fit either. Simple as that. None of those attractions take place both in the Frontier geographically or timeline wise. The only attraction that CAN even take place during that time is BTMRR but even that one is easily explained to take place in the 1900s instead.
 

Miru

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If you're arguing that Tiana's doesn't fit in Frontierland, I'm arguing that Tom Sawyer, Country Bears, and Splash all didn't fit either. Simple as that. None of those attractions take place both in the Frontier geographically or timeline wise. The only attraction that CAN even take place during that time is BTMRR but even that one is easily explained to take place in the 1900s instead.
Ya know what, Tiana’s works great in Galaxy’s Edge.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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We have already proven our points.

You can just look at Tiana's and see it doesn't fit. Not only was the movie set in a city it is set in a swamp. Which doesn't fit aesthetically next to an orange rocky mountain, set in a desert and a western town.

... Furthermore there are no mountains in Louisiana. 49% of the state is below sea level.
TBA is not a mountain and neither was Splash. The name of the location was Chickapin Hill. Louisiana also does have a mountain which you can easily look up and multiple hills. Besides the point that TBA takes place in a salt mine anyways.

I will partially concede that the colors do clash however, I see it as similar to something like Adventureland in different regions of the American frontier being represented, especially when cars is in. TSI for its credit was also quite green and lush but obviously not as much.

I see Frontierland becoming a little more southern and kinda mixing more with Adventureland into Liberty Square with LS clearly depicting the northern states
 

Miru

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It's called Splash Mountain and even if it was just a Splash Hill. It's still bigger than any hill in Louisiana.

The Salt Mines storylines is way more inappropriate for the theming than Song of the South ever was. Giving the fact that enslaved people were forced to work it.

"A variety of salt works in northeast Texas and Louisiana helped to supply the Confederacy with the needed commodity. To produce the large quantities needed for regions that could not be reached by imports because of the blockade, slave labor was often used."
The only way the salt mines would have worked is as a significantly darker, almost “Temple of the Forbidden Eye”-esque attraction that would have actually dealt with the ramifications of the salt mines in an operation to quell the trauma that emerged from them. Possibly even a villain using the salt mines for their own gain (such as a hideout). My idea of the ride being about Charlotte being turned into a frog would have worked, with the cure possibly lying in those old salt mines.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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It's called Splash Mountain and even if it was just a Splash Hill. It's still bigger than any hill in Louisiana.

The Salt Mines storylines is way more inappropriate for the theming than Song of the South ever was. Giving the fact that enslaved people were forced to work it.

"A variety of salt works in northeast Texas and Louisiana helped to supply the Confederacy with the needed commodity. To produce the large quantities needed for regions that could not be reached by imports because of the blockade, slave labor was often used."
Hey so buddy that was a name. It's not an actual mountain and that again is not true unless Splash is suddenly 500 ft tall (the tallest mountain in Louisiana)

Coming from a Black American (me), the Salt mine storyline is a retaking of a bad thing and turning into your thing. A popular thing in the culture as its almost "making fun" of something that put you/your ancestors down and reusing it to help build the community up. Simple as that. It's a cultural thing that sometimes helps people deal with the scars of the past :)

Maybe that's a higher level concept than necessary for a theme park ride but it does imo add an extra narrative in a way. She turned a place of horribleness into a large community project that helps both her community and others. The storyline is not about the actual slavery and if we are removing places that people were enslaved at, the Disneyland Haunted Mansion is quite literally a plantation house. (I see no problem with that either as its just a facet of the area and I know its not included for that reason obviously)
 

AidenRodriguez731

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The only way the salt mines would have worked is as a significantly darker, almost “Temple of the Forbidden Eye”-esque attraction that would have actually dealt with the ramifications of the salt mines in an operation to quell the trauma that emerged from them. Possibly even a villain using the salt mines for their own gain (such as a hideout). My idea of the ride being about Charlotte being turned into a frog would have worked, with the cure possibly lying in those old salt mines.
I fully agree that the storyline could have been better if it followed something more similar to the OG movie, I do overall like the narrative that Tiana found her success but I think it still could have been betrayed in a storyline similar to what you said.
 

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