What Happens to WDW / Disney Parks during a massive correction / recession?

Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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maemae74 said:
As a former government contractor I could tell you stories of "fraud, waste and abuse" with in the defense contracting world that would make you physically ill . Not to be out done by elected leaders from both parties when one of their interest doesn't receive a contract and they call for inquiry that cost a ton of time and money!
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And yet I need to first write a very detailed electronic prescription, then fill out two additional pieces of paper that contain the exact same bits of information so that my Medicare diabetes patients can get their testing supplies.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
For what it's worth, I've seen a lot more sale emails from SWA in the last week than I have in the previous months.
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Well they - as with all companies including the one WE TALK ABOUT here - are gonna play a game…

There gonna want to retain their reduced staff/reduced services while trying to entice you with promotions.

But the shareholders will not put up with that for long.

I personally feel we crossed the rubicon when the power brokers started using the Fed/Treasury to prevent recessions. And I have zero doubt that’s what’s going on.

We’ll see
 
Smiley/OCD

Smiley/OCD

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John park hopper said:
He was talking new boats and their inventory of used is low
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There was a feature story in our NJ paper this past weekend about a specialty yacht builder here in NJ…they are so busy since the pandemic and have so many orders they are 2 years out to filling them. Not only are they having supply chain issues, but they can’t find qualified employees…go figure…
 
John park hopper

John park hopper

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Smiley/OCD said:
There was a feature story in our NJ paper this past weekend about a specialty yacht builder here in NJ…they are so busy since the pandemic and have so many orders they are 2 years out to filling them. Not only are they having supply chain issues, but they can’t find qualified employees…go figure…
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Just my opinion but I think the high end yacht buyer is unaffected by recessions to the same extent the working stiff is.
 
LaughingGravy

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We went to Knoebels in PA yesterday. The place was pretty packed very similar to typical weekend packed due to BOGO for a few weekdays for all day ride passes including coasters.

Quite a few rides, food venues and even merchandise stores were down due to staffing issues which were not advertised as being closed on their website, and they have every venue/attraction on their website.
While the park was supposed to be open until 8pm, a lot of things were shut down by 7:30, not just starting to shut down, but fully buttoned up and closed.

Rides, I can see. You need people specifically trained and if you need a team of six to support the operation of a ride during a shift, that's clearly an issue if one is out for whatever reason and you don't have instant backup to be scheduled.
You wouldn't think it would be quite a struggle to fill positions for retail things where one person at a hat shop could likely run a register for the t-shirt shop, but again we were informed by employees that it was a staffing issue.

IMO, it's combination of covid as well as a wage issue. Like other industries,"front line" now means risking personal exposure including that of relatives by extension. There are a lot of online jobs people have taken or continue to take as gig workers without the exposure that offer greater reward(s), including NO commute, or a partial of only coming in some days a week. I think a lot of it is still the mindset that an hourly worker in an amusement park is only worth x, with x being a little above the minimum wage, which is a whole other topic.

One of our favorite things to do there is go to the General Store and get some "penny candy" favorites that aren't widely available they have historically had there only to be sorely disappointed on a few things for the first time in over 35 years.
We were informed a lot of things simply aren't made anymore (since covid and all related to it) by the likes of Brachs, etc, so obviously the amusement park is not getting them. At least they still have Dole Whip in lots of flavors and as floats with pineapple juice.
 
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maemae74

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Heppenheimer said:
And yet I need to first write a very detailed electronic prescription, then fill out two additional pieces of paper that contain the exact same bits of information so that my Medicare diabetes patients can get their testing supplies.
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While the powers to be receive the best health care our tax dollars can buy!
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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Vacationeer said:
When is the bottom coming? Next year or the one after? When will it rebound? WDW can use the deals they're holding back now to shorten their window of pain. They could tread water for a while, depends how abrupt and long the recession hits them.
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Without the government's "help" we should actually hit the bottom and bounce back up. Historically that is what has happened.

It makes sense, too. You reach a point where you think, "Hey, this (whatever) is so cheap I'd be a fool not to take a chance on it!"

Unfortunately, people get scared and government "helps" and that "help" makes the bottom last a decade or longer. You see this with the Great Depression. You see this with 2008. People believe, wrongly, that "it'd have been so much worse if the government hadn't helped!" when, in reality, their "help" slows the correction and makes the pain last longer.

Government is how we got the $30T in debt. In good times government spends more money than it has because, "look at all of this extra money!" In bad times they spend more than they have because, "We have to spend money to get us past this crisis!" <<< ALL THEY DO IS WASTE MONEY AND THEY ARE THE CRISIS! (before anyone gets their feathers ruffled: Dems and Reps alike)

Government is how it takes us 20 years and $Ts of dollars having the most advanced/capable military in the world which can't win a war. The only war we've won since WWII was Grenada. Just to add: To me that would be the scariest thing imaginable: Knowing that the USA was going to use it's military might against you and, if you paid attention to history, knowing that your side will eventually win, but they'll make the pain last decades (not because of soldiers but because of politics)... Any other country would come in, defeat you, and things are roughly back to normal, or some kind of normal, a year or so later.

You don't want their "help".

It's not Dems against Reps. It's US (citizens) against them (politicians/bureaucrats).

If you were to sit everyone down who's reading this at a table, black, white, gay, hispanic, etc. - You'd find that we all LARGELY agree on most topics. The topics that are left are things we quibble over. We're all on the same page for 95%+ of things. If anything, we have different ideas to solve the same problems but we should and can work together on those. We can differ on those solutions and still be friends.

We're only divided because they (politicians) actively work to divide us.
 
Karakasa

Karakasa

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Ooh, ah, certainly some, ah, interesting opinions being discussed in this thread...

From my memory having been to the parks during two of these recessions, while the parks were less staffed during these recessions... there were just a lot less people too. Especially outside of the summer. I'm not saying you should expect walk-ons in October or February, or anything, but, if it's anything like before, especially with the prices remaining nosebleed, it might not be a half bad idea to go during such previously slow periods if you were thinking about it and can afford it. Just be ready, as noted, to run into shutdowns of things you might want to do. So, don't book it planning to go to a specific restaurant or ride a specific ride. About the only thing that's ever guaranteed at WDW is the Magic Kingdom fireworks and even those can get rained out.

Edit: That being said, I doubt the recession coming will match anywhere near close to the lows of the previous two. And of course, there are more important things to worry about in such situations than theme parks, but, it's still interesting to talk about, I think.
 
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John park hopper

John park hopper

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Brad Bishop said:
Without the government's "help" we should actually hit the bottom and bounce back up. Historically that is what has happened.

It makes sense, too. You reach a point where you think, "Hey, this (whatever) is so cheap I'd be a fool not to take a chance on it!"

Unfortunately, people get scared and government "helps" and that "help" makes the bottom last a decade or longer. You see this with the Great Depression. You see this with 2008. People believe, wrongly, that "it'd have been so much worse if the government hadn't helped!" when, in reality, their "help" slows the correction and makes the pain last longer.

Government is how we got the $30T in debt. In good times government spends more money than it has because, "look at all of this extra money!" In bad times they spend more than they have because, "We have to spend money to get us past this crisis!" <<< ALL THEY DO IS WASTE MONEY AND THEY ARE THE CRISIS! (before anyone gets their feathers ruffled: Dems and Reps alike)

Government is how it takes us 20 years and $Ts of dollars having the most advanced/capable military in the world which can't win a war. The only war we've won since WWII was Grenada. Just to add: To me that would be the scariest thing imaginable: Knowing that the USA was going to use it's military might against you and, if you paid attention to history, knowing that your side will eventually win, but they'll make the pain last decades (not because of soldiers but because of politics)... Any other country would come in, defeat you, and things are roughly back to normal, or some kind of normal, a year or so later.

You don't want their "help".

It's not Dems against Reps. It's US (citizens) against them (politicians/bureaucrats).

If you were to sit everyone down who's reading this at a table, black, white, gay, hispanic, etc. - You'd find that we all LARGELY agree on most topics. The topics that are left are things we quibble over. We're all on the same page for 95%+ of things. If anything, we have different ideas to solve the same problems but we should and can work together on those. We can differ on those solutions and still be friends.

We're only divided because they (politicians) actively work to divide us.
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I agree with all you said but since WW II the politicians have run the wars and with their rules of engagement we the military were not allowed to win. Vietnam we never lost a battle, politicians lost the war This will more than likely be deleted
 
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