What does "Tomorrowland" mean to you?

Patricia Melton

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I'm thinking about all the rumors we're hearing about Tomorrowland at both WDW and DLR getting a big makeover. I'd like to know what "Tomorrowland" means to you and what it should mean, in terms of mission statement and guiding principles (two project management terms that are used in business to keep a project from going off the rails and losing its intended identity). I have a small business that I've run for over 30 years now and one year I worked with a brand manager to help me keep my focus and we create the whole mission statement/guiding principles and it was a fun process that really helped me. I think it could help TDO and TDA too.

For me, "Tomorrowland" currently has lost its way because it's a hodgepodge of things that don't really go well together. There's Star Wars, which I like at DLR with Star Tours...but then there's Buzz Lightyear and Stitch, which are also space characters but I just don't like them all that much. I don't think the architecture in Tomorrowland looks very "Tomorrow" at this point...and instead think it looks like old public transportation or airport buildings (reminds me a lot of LAX actually, which my niece and nephew always comment on when we fly to LA to go to DLR).

Adventureland is, to me, about going deep into jungles and exploring things that are exotic (and I think it does a good job of that). Frontierland is excellent of giving the feel of the old west. Fantasyland is very much fantastical and engages my family with enchanting fairy tales. But Tomorrowland as it exists right now is junky. I rarely, if ever, hear anyone say it is their favorite "Land".

How can TDO and TDA change that?

I think by starting with a new mission statement for Tomorrowland that would be something like:
Tomorrowland will be the part of the park that wows you with technology and robotic gizmos and gadgets that take into a world powered by electronic marvels that are an idealized version of an even more technologically advanced world than what we live in now.

I think some good guiding principles for Tomorrowland would be:

* Tomorrowland's buildings will look polished and sleek, cleaner and more elegant than buildings in the "real world".
* All of Tomorrowland's attractions will have at their core the idea that technology is like magic and can take people to places they never dreamed possible in the past
* Optimism should pervade Tomorrowland and it should feel like the most optimistic, cleanest, and most vibrant and pulsing area of the park
* Tomorrowland is the place where computers and technology make guests feel like anything is possible and inspire them to imagine what other new wonders the future will hold
* Tomorrowland's attraction will make real things we can only imagine today, like going to other planets, traveling through time, shrinking down to microscopic size, etc.

In my opinion, the Speedway and Autopia need to be eliminated because there is nothing less futuristic than fume-spewing gas powered Go-Karts. DHS and DCA could have new additions with Cars-themed Go-Karts for people who want their kids to feel like they are driving for the first time. The land reclaimed from the Go-Kart tracks would be used to create at least one new E-ticket ride in both MK and DL.

I'd love to see the following rides/attractions added to Tomorrowland, either in land reclaimed from the Go-Karts or from reconfiguring other spaces in both parks' Tomorrowlands:

* Alien Zoo Dark Ride -- using omnimovers, taking you through an alien zoo that shows you what life could look like on other planets

* Cruise Through the Solar System Restaurant -- a restaurant that is themed to be a starship that takes guests past the planets of our solar system and beyond. It would use the technology that Disney Cruise Ships use for the lounges that have views of other cities in the "windows"; guests would be able to look "outside" the ship and see the stars and planets as the "ship" cruises along during their meal. I envision this as a sit-down, table service restaurant that is nice but not terribly expensive though it could also be a counter service place

* Time Travel E-ticket -- rocket back through a few periods of Earth's history to see life at the beginning of time and through the dinosaur era, into Ice Age, and then into the distance future to show how Earth will look a million years from now

* Shrinking Ride -- an E-ticket that zaps you in size so that you buzz around like you are minuscule in size and takes you through insect life and then microscopic life

I know that Meet the Robinsons was not a big hit for Disney, but the characters from that movie are fun. I would not mind seeing them in Tomorrowland. Sitch could be a meet and greet character but I would like him to escape his Great Escape and have that ride repurposed. Buzz Lightyear should stick with Woody in a Pixar Land somewhere (though, I wouldn't really mind Buzz if he was a face character and not a furry...and would like Woody in Frontierland if he was a face character).

Currently, after we ride Space Mountain my family wants to get out of Tomorrowland as fast as possible because we think it looks junky and there's nothing we want to do besides Space Mountain (though I enjoy Carousel of Progress at MK, I think this attraction should somehow be part of Main Street for some reason as I think it fits better there).

I'd love a Tomorrowland that gets my family excited and has so many cool things that they don't want to leave Tomorrowland and go elsewhere. I'd also love it if going to Tomorrowland made my niece and nephew badger me with questions the rest of the day because they are so excited thinking about all the possibilities of tomorrow. Right now, they get deflated going to Tomorrowland in its current state and I'd like to see them pumped up with optimism and curiosity after leaving Tomorrowland instead.

What do YOU think Tomorrowland's mission should be and what guiding principles do you think Disney should adopt (think of them as "the rules that keep Tomorrowland on track") to make this a reality?
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Here is how I view Tomorrowland. I base it off the slogan on the poster that I see when I walk under the Main Street Station. It reads "The future that never was.. is finally here!" That's what I feel the true tomorrowland theme should focus on. The hypothetical, the imaginative, and the inventive future that people dream of. And I think for the most part, the current tomorrowland addresses a lot of these concepts, but some attractions do not. Stitch's Great Escape, Monster's Inc Laugh Floor are the two main examples I'm going to focus on. Alien Encounter with it's X-S technology and grasping the future was a much better fit in the Tomorrowland concept than Stitch's Escape is today.

Stitch to me is just a cop out for little kids, with no real relevance to the serious themes of Tomorrowland
Monster's Inc to me also is the same cop out, to a lesser extent because I actually think it's funny.

Tomorrowland Indy Speedway I know is a personal preference. Some want the land used for other attractions, and some want the nostalgia to stay. So I won't really focus on that persay because I already know I wouldn't want to take it down just because of what it means to me. Also I really admire the fact that they have an actual brick from the real Indy Speedway in Indianapolis embeded in the pavement of the track. To me that's awesome, but moving on.

Other than those two attractions, I feel the rest of Tomorrowland really fits into that theme of "the future that never was." The metal palm trees is a nice touch. Rockettower Plaza, a subtle reference to Rockefeller Plaza in NYC. And being from the NYC area I always appreciate that reference. The gift shop Merchant of Venus, a nice shoutout to William Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice. The Tom Morrow Character on the People Mover. The design of Walt's original Epcot that you also see on the people mover. The garbage can that talks. And much more little gems that truly make Tomorrowland "the future that never was"

And the attractions follow with that theme.
Carrousel of Progress - "There's a great big beautiful tomorrow" ..."Just a dream away!"
Buzz Lightyear - "To infinity and beyond"
Space Mountain - "Futuristic rocketship ride through space"
Peoplemover - Walt Disney's idea of future city transportation

So what would I do to make Tomorrowland even better?

1.) Remove Stitch's Great Escape. Please put back Alien Encounter. Please!
2.) Remove Monster's Inc Laugh Floor. If you want to stick with animation for that slot then do something with Wall-E instead.
3.) A Tron simulator ride where the Galaxy Palace Theater used to be. D or E Ticket, but prefer the later.

Anyway that is what think of Tomorrowland.
 

Patricia Melton

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Original Poster
So what would I do to make Tomorrowland even better?

1.) Remove Stitch's Great Escape. Please put back Alien Encounter. Please!
2.) Remove Monster's Inc Laugh Floor. If you want to stick with animation for that slot then do something with Wall-E instead.
3.) A Tron simulator ride where the Galaxy Palace Theater used to be. D or E Ticket, but prefer the later.

Anyway that is what think of Tomorrowland.

I always forget about Wall-E, but that movie would be a great one for Tomorrowland because it has robots, is set in the future, and there could be some great flying around sequences for a ride.
 

RSoxNo1

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The concept of an Interplanetary Convention Center appealed to me, but the execution wasn't as thorough as it could have been.
 

The Empress Lilly

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I think some good guiding principles for Tomorrowland would be:

* Tomorrowland's buildings will look polished and sleek, cleaner and more elegant than buildings in the "real world".
* All of Tomorrowland's attractions will have at their core the idea that technology is like magic and can take people to places they never dreamed possible in the past
* Optimism should pervade Tomorrowland and it should feel like the most optimistic, cleanest, and most vibrant and pulsing area of the park
* Tomorrowland is the place where computers and technology make guests feel like anything is possible and inspire them to imagine what other new wonders the future will hold
* Tomorrowland's attraction will make real things we can only imagine today, like going to other planets, traveling through time, shrinking down to microscopic size, etc.
I'd love to see the following rides/attractions added to Tomorrowland, either in land reclaimed from the Go-Karts or from reconfiguring other spaces in both parks' Tomorrowlands:

* Alien Zoo Dark Ride -- using omnimovers, taking you through an alien zoo that shows you what life could look like on other planets

* Cruise Through the Solar System Restaurant -- a restaurant that is themed to be a starship that takes guests past the planets of our solar system and beyond. It would use the technology that Disney Cruise Ships use for the lounges that have views of other cities in the "windows"; guests would be able to look "outside" the ship and see the stars and planets as the "ship" cruises along during their meal. I envision this as a sit-down, table service restaurant that is nice but not terribly expensive though it could also be a counter service place

* Time Travel E-ticket -- rocket back through a few periods of Earth's history to see life at the beginning of time and through the dinosaur era, into Ice Age, and then into the distance future to show how Earth will look a million years from now

* Shrinking Ride -- an E-ticket that zaps you in size so that you buzz around like you are minuscule in size and takes you through insect life and then microscopic life

I know that Meet the Robinsons was not a big hit for Disney, but the characters from that movie are fun. I would not mind seeing them in Tomorrowland. Sitch could be a meet and greet character but I would like him to escape his Great Escape and have that ride repurposed. Buzz Lightyear should stick with Woody in a Pixar Land somewhere (though, I wouldn't really mind Buzz if he was a face character and not a furry...and would like Woody in Frontierland if he was a face character).
Those guiding principles are great. I kinda dig your attraction line-up too!


I wish TL would look beautifully sleek and futuristic like this:

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Patricia Melton

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You know what else would kind of be fun for "Tomorrowland"?

What if they just permanently set the place as what people in the 1960s thought the future would look like -- like the Jetsons' world?

Or do it in a steampunk fashion and have it be what people in the Victorian era would have thought the future would have been like.

I guess one of my driving forces is to set Tomorrowland up so that it does not have to be drastically retimed in the near future. It can actually be a retro future land where it's not trying to keep pace with current advancements, but just run with the space exploration and wonders of technology angle.

Just like how Adventureland is supposed to be the 1930s and Frontierland is the late 1800s, Tomorrowland can just be set to the 1960s and be retro-cool and fun if themed right.
 

Beholder

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Arthur C. Clarke once famously said (I'm paraphrasing here) that at some point, technology will become so small as to be practically invisible, that to a less advanced culture, it would appear as magic. Let's follow that line of thinking and let WDI's imaginations run wild with truly out of the box thinking. Let's "see" just what this "magic" would look like in a culture of technology. Hope I didn't butcher ACC's quote too bad.


But I looove Steampunk! It just looks awesome. The visual style screams industrial-Victorian-adventure! I'd love to see this too.
 

Magenta Panther

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I wonder if it would help if Tomorrowland focused on robots, including robot clerks and hosts for the various shops, and also on hologram technology? I also agree with the idea of Tomorrowland looking like the "future that never was". There's this cool independent comic named "Zot!", in which an ordinary girl meets a boy from a dimension in which all of the optimistic expectations of the future as proposed by scientists in 1950's America actually came true. The world Zot (the boy from the other dimension) lived in looked like a cool-but-kitschy version of Tomorrowland. (And by the way, "Zot" would make a GREAT Disney or Pixar film!)
 

Patricia Melton

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Arthur C. Clark once famously said (I'm paraphrasing here) that at some point, technology will become so small as to be practically invisible, that to a less advanced culture, it would appear as magic. Let's follow that line of thinking and let WDI's imaginations run wild with truly out of the box thinking. Let's "see" just what this "magic" would look like in a culture of technology. Hope I didn't butcher ACC's quote too bad.


But I looove Steampunk! It just looks awesome. The visual style screams industrial-Victorian-adventure! I'd love to see this too.

I think a Steampunk Tomorrowland would be a lot of fun...could develop a lot of characters and fun things in that. it would definitely have a personality and soul to it, the way I feel Adventureland does.
 

Hakunamatata

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I always forget about Wall-E, but that movie would be a great one for Tomorrowland because it has robots, is set in the future, and there could be some great flying around sequences for a ride.
Something that would be better than a politically charged infomercial like wall-e would be Treasure Planet. Why Disney doesn't do more with that property I have no clue.
 

Patricia Melton

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I wonder if it would help if Tomorrowland focused on robots, including robot clerks and hosts for the various shops, and also on hologram technology? I also agree with the idea of Tomorrowland looking like the "future that never was". There's this cool independent comic named "Zot!", in which an ordinary girl meets a boy from a dimension in which all of the optimistic expectations of the future as proposed by scientists in 1950's America actually came true. The world Zot (the boy from the other dimension) lived in looked like a cool-but-kitschy version of Tomorrowland. (And by the way, "Zot" would make a GREAT Disney or Pixar film!)

I'm going to have to check that out. I love alternate universe things. Really makes me think about how things could have played out differently. Thanks for telling me about Zot!.
 

Patricia Melton

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Something that would be better than a politically charged infomercial like wall-e would be Treasure Planet. Why Disney doesn't do more with that property I have no clue.

This is a great idea.

Do you think they forget about it because it was not a super, giant box office hit? It sure fits Tomorrowland in terms of the theme though. Better than Stitch, that's for sure.
 

Ignohippo

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I'll tell you one way I DON"T see Tomorrowland, I don't see it as Stark Expo (which is where it sounds like the DL version is headed).

I don't mind Marvel at DHS or DCA, but leave it out of the castle parks unless it has it's own new and unique land.

Tomorrowland should be about the exploration of space and the great things we can accomplish in the future. I've always thought of Tommorowland as being about space (as opposed to FutureWorld, which is more about science in general). I'm not the biggest fan of movie properties in Tomorrowland – Buzz works well, I guess StarTours kinda makes sense, but MI Laugh Floor and Stitch don't fit the theme IMO.
 

Patricia Melton

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I'll tell you one way I DON"T see Tomorrowland, I don't see it as Stark Expo (which is where it sounds like the DL version is headed).

I don't mind Marvel at DHS or DCA, but leave it out of the castle parks unless it has it's own new and unique land.

Tomorrowland should be about the exploration of space and the great things we can accomplish in the future. I've always thought of Tommorowland as being about space (as opposed to FutureWorld, which is more about science in general). I'm not the biggest fan of movie properties in Tomorrowland – Buzz works well, I guess StarTours kinda makes sense, but MI Laugh Floor and Stitch don't fit the theme IMO.

I read on another site that the Marvel stuff is being reserved for a third park at DLR. I heard it was not coming to Tomorrowland.
 

ZaneB

Active Member
Tomorrowland, in my opinion, the future we all imagine in our heads. Obviously it won't ever look all shiny and sleek like we imagine but that should be the one place we can feel like it's going to happen in a matter of days.

I think the rides (except space mountain and astro blasters) should all be taken out and replaced with attractions that show off new technologies. WDW has epcot, so there is no need for exhibitions or pavillion type attractions like the original DL Tomorrowland.

I think a new 3d show using stuff never seen before could be good. Rebuild the original flying saucer ride since DL has flying tires. But use all the negatives from that (slow cars) and enhance it.
 

Vader2112

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Tommorrow land should represent the world of the future. Right now I beleive it is themed as a spaceport? What a Monster comedy club and a 40 year old go cart track have to do with either I do not know. Torrowland needs a drastic update would.
 

ParentsOf4

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This is a great idea.

Do you think they forget about it because it was not a super, giant box office hit? It sure fits Tomorrowland in terms of the theme though. Better than Stitch, that's for sure.
Treasure Planet was a huge disappointment at the box office; it lost money. Lilo & Stitch was a financial success, with a follow-up tv series. Lilo & Stitch was generally well-received by movie critics, Treasure Planet's reviews were weaker. On a more personal note, my children were of the target age group when both movies came out. They liked L&S but were bored by TP. TP's story was too complicated for small children with limited appeal to other age groups. (Shrek is an example of a movie with appeal across demographics.)

I've read (so this is unconfirmed) that Eisner was a big proponent of Stitch which is why we got so much of it, perhaps more than deserved by its box office performance.

I'm no Stitch fan but understand why Disney spent more money pushing Stitch than TP at the theme parks.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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The music speaks for itself....


Tommorow's Past is Today's Future..

With the return of retro merchandise and things people want to see like Carousel of Progress not being in Seasonal operation are a few examples..
 

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