What and How much land sold to Four Seasons???

[Grizzly Hall 71]

I'm pretty sure the golf course is the existing one which is already there, and was simply sold to Four Seasons as part of the deal.

And really, the Four Seasons itself doesn't bother me nearly as much as other parts of the deal. It's the Golden Oaks neighborhood that came a long with it. The idea of selling off Disney property to become a neighborhood of matching McMansions doesn't sit well with me at all. It reads as over-commercial and completely against the lofty ideals Walt held for his property, and seems like the very kind of thing he came to Florida to escape in the first place.

And I definitely don't agree that Eisner was any better. If the 1980s/early 90s Eisner wouldn't have lept at this opportunity, the late 90s/2000s Eisner definitely would have.

Well at least we still have Osprey Ridge, Palm, Magnolia, Lake Buena Vista, and Oak Trail. Those are pretty nice.

 

[Master Yoda]

1st off we lose the golf course. The Golf course that was there had one of my favorite restrauntes. It was always empty and they made amazing sandwiches and the best fries in all of Disney world. It also had free wifi and was just a great place to sit and relax. They have already shut down the grill at the golf course to make preperations for the change over of the golf course.

We are not loosing the golf course it is merely changing ownership.

As for the resort. Sorry any number of disney resorts are higher as far as luxery and service. Heck the Pop centruay resorts beat the 4 seasons as far as service goes. You just can't match disney service.

:ROFLOL: Are you serious?! Sure Disney service is great but the level of luxury at a 4 seasons resort exceeds any resort currently at WDW by a considerable margin.

So instead of getting a nice themed disney resort we get a generic hotel not run by disney.

Thanks but no thanks. I dont' come to Disneyworld to stay at a genreric overpiced hotel. I come for the Disney experience. Making a quick buck by selling land that could be used for development later is bad idea.

You have obviously never seen a 4 seasons resort. If this is generic resort....

I would hate the think what you would describe this as.

 

[janoimagine]

Heck the Pop centruay resorts beat the 4 seasons as far as service goes.

:lol: :lol:

Take it from someone who travels a lot for a living, nationally and globally and has stayed at the Four Seasons, The W Hotels, The Standard, Tribeca Grand, Soho Grand, 60 Thompson, ect. Their is a huge difference between the Four Seasons and POP Century, on a number of levels, the least of which is customer service.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the land sale, however were only talking about a total of 450 developed acres, most of which has already been devloped in the existing golf course and Golden Oaks.

It is no conicedence that the co-owner of the Four Seasons Hotels is also a Majority Owner of Disneyland Paris. This is a buisness deal plain and simple, and at least the developer is accustomed to Disney standards and is as good as or in most cases exceeds their standards in terms of guest satisfaction.

 

[mp2bill]

30,000 acres bought, 23,000 still owned, and none!!

Wow, that's a huge chunk. Why would they sell off that much land? :veryconfu

 

[Mickey is King]

I'm not a huge fan of the land sales either but, to say Eisner did a bad job because of Celebration, is that really fair?

No person on earth is o.k. with 100% of what their friends/family/mate do, same with WDW, or your own place of work for that matter. True?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I dont know but the sun aint gonna shine anymore on that part of Disney

 

[janoimagine]

I am confused on one aspect of this deal (or patern?) Help me understand something....

Why did WDW sell the land instead of doing something like a land lease? A land lease preserves long term ownership, lowers the cost for a third party to establish a structure, and generally seems like a better model for this sort of thing than a direct sale. Even something like a 100 year Land Lease seems to make more sense to me....

I know what you mean, I wondered that myself, but I think it has a great deal to do with the buyer and there past/current relationships with Disney.

 

[Bluewaves]

The Golden Oaks development, the actual homes are more like a condo ownership than anything else, as far as I can tell there are tons of deed restrictions, such as the finishes on houses, approval of exterior changes, final design approval etc..

Disney is doing the Golden Oaks development themselves, as far as the Four Seasons, sometimes it makes sense to lure customers who do not think of the Disney Brand as a Premium Hotel brand but want to come to Disney and will look at the Four Seasons as a premium place to stay.