Tigger1988
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Pretty sure Eisner was still at the helm when Celebration was put up for sale.
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What and How much land sold to Four Seasons???
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Pretty sure Eisner was still at the helm when Celebration was put up for sale.
Grizzly Hall 71
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I say throughout the late 90's they were all ran well and then the Millenium celebration came and well.......
It started with the wand, and then the hat, and then well you know how this story ends.
devoy1701
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well atleast the land he annexed was farthest away from any resort guest development. While I don't agree with any selling of the land that Walt accumulated, I think his transaction will have less overall impact than this 4 Seasons and Golden Oaks development will.
EDIT: I should make it clear that i don't think that everything Eisner did was a wise decision. Swan and Dolphin have very long leases on Disney property and impact the sitelines of EPCOT rather significantly...although they don't look too bad along the lagoon at the Boardwalk area.
You are correct. As far as I can tell Celebration had little to no effect on WDW on a whole. The 4 season deal on the other hand will add an incredible 4 to 5 star resort that has the potential to attract whales to WDW like never before. Ergo, 4 seasons is a better deal.
devoy1701
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Tigger1988
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It's just amusing to me that people think that Eisner wouldn't have jumped at the chance of having a 4 -5 star resort on property. :ROFLOL:
Sorry to disappoint but I think the 4 season deal will benefit Disney. I really can not see how it can not end up positive. If they sold the land to Accor or IHG I would not feel the same but the simple fact is that the 4 seasons is building a resort on that piece of property that has a near 100% chance of blowing away every other Disney resort in terms of luxury and service and will be all but invisible to the average WDW guest.
Grizzly Hall 71
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He that with Walt's idea in mind though. They used that land to build a city which was Walt's dream. I can respect that. But this, naa.
He built a subdivision not a city. Lesser men have been doing the same thing for quite some time.
Tigger1988
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So...selling "Walt's dream" (which Celebration, despite what they wanted you to think, was FAR from what Walt ever wanted) is respectful? If he cared so much about Walt's "ideas" and "dream" Celebration would still be owned by Disney today. Alas, Celebration was a joke and not profitable in the long run, hence it being sold.
Eisner cared about $$$$ and how to best get that $$$$.
Grizzly Hall 71
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The Disney company ran into the same problems with the original Epcot plan. People are going to want voting rights and such. They can't be working 24/7. It's not possible. So they had to give it up.
Tigger1988
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Celebration was so far from the original Epcot plan it's not even funny. It's nothing like Walt envisioned and if it were even remotely profitable they would've kept it.
Again, Eisner would've jumped at the chance of this Four Seasons deal.
raven
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Disney actually was part of the design team for The Swan and Dolphin. They have a french inspired achitecture which blends in well with the France pavilion over which they are commonly seen from Epcot. Same can be said for the back side of Tower of Terror blending in with Morocco.
Grizzly Hall 71
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We don't know that. All we can do is speculate. Unless you want to go ask him?
Tigger1988
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Funny, how certain you are that he wouldn't be "foolish" enough to do it. But when someone says otherwise we "don't know" and are only "speculating". Funny.
Considering Eisner sold "Walt's" land before, chances are he would've done it again.
Grizzly Hall 71
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Ok.
crazynakedguy
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1st off we lose the golf course. The Golf course that was there had one of my favorite restrauntes. It was always empty and they made amazing sandwiches and the best fries in all of Disney world. It also had free wifi and was just a great place to sit and relax. They have already shut down the grill at the golf course to make preperations for the change over of the golf course.
As for the resort. Sorry any number of disney resorts are higher as far as luxery and service. Heck the Pop centruay resorts beat the 4 seasons as far as service goes. You just can't match disney service.
So instead of getting a nice themed disney resort we get a generic hotel not run by disney.
Thanks but no thanks. I dont' come to Disneyworld to stay at a genreric overpiced hotel. I come for the Disney experience. Making a quick buck by selling land that could be used for development later is bad idea.
Grizzly Hall 71
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Is the new golf course going to be ownded by Disney or no?
MarkTwain
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I'm pretty sure the golf course is the existing one which is already there, and was simply sold to Four Seasons as part of the deal.
And really, the Four Seasons itself doesn't bother me nearly as much as other parts of the deal. It's the Golden Oaks neighborhood that came a long with it. The idea of selling off Disney property to become a neighborhood of matching McMansions doesn't sit well with me at all. It reads as over-commercial and completely against the lofty ideals Walt held for his property, and seems like the very kind of thing he came to Florida to escape in the first place.
And I definitely don't agree that Eisner was any better. If the 1980s/early 90s Eisner wouldn't have lept at this opportunity, the late 90s/2000s Eisner definitely would have.