General Grizz
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I'd say it looks more like a Dan.
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What a bunch of complainers!
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You call that a MAN?!
I'd say it looks more like a Dan.
:wave:
imagineergurl
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Wow I just read complain so many times the word has lost all meaning...
DDuckFan130
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i had been wanting to throw my own 2 cents into the whole soarin thing and testtrack reminded me :lol:...i think it's good we get soarin over cali cuz as floridians, many of us may not be too familiar with california...if anything, the one in DCA should get a different one cuz they live there they know about that stuff...but hey it's cool that they have it over there anyway, but it's good we get it here too cuz we get to know a state that we don't know too well...hope i wasn't confusing 
bye bye
bye bye
bamboo7
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*ahem*
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a little bit of EC Parking
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dxwwf3
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Re: Re: What a bunch of complainers!
Well I'm surprised because there are plenty of other attractions that are MUCH less popular and they are still there. I mean I have never had to wait for Spaceship Earth, Pirates of the Caribbean, Universe of Energy, The American Adventure, Country Bear Jamboree, Carousel of Progress, It's A Small World, etc... but does that mean those attractions aren't popular? I think not. Just because something doesn't have a huge line doesnt mean its not popular. Alot of things can contribute to an attraction's wait times. For things like American Adventure, Universe of Energy, and ESPECIALLY Alien Encounter alot of people are in the building at one time. Alien Encounter has a total of 5 theater loads of people in wait before you even get to the queue (holding pin, 2 preshows, 2 main chambers). That's alot of people in itself.
So I guess since It's A Small World and Pirates of the Caribbean never have waits (even though POTC has seen a little increase in attendence because of the movie, it still never goes over a 5-10 min wait) they should be replaced immediately too. I don't think the new Tiki Room show is a real crowd pleaser so why is it still there?
And for the record two years after Stitch's Great Escape opens the lines will be nonexistant also. The building is just too big. It will be a walk on but that doesnt mean it's not popular. The building just holds too many people to create a queue.
Well I'm surprised because there are plenty of other attractions that are MUCH less popular and they are still there. I mean I have never had to wait for Spaceship Earth, Pirates of the Caribbean, Universe of Energy, The American Adventure, Country Bear Jamboree, Carousel of Progress, It's A Small World, etc... but does that mean those attractions aren't popular? I think not. Just because something doesn't have a huge line doesnt mean its not popular. Alot of things can contribute to an attraction's wait times. For things like American Adventure, Universe of Energy, and ESPECIALLY Alien Encounter alot of people are in the building at one time. Alien Encounter has a total of 5 theater loads of people in wait before you even get to the queue (holding pin, 2 preshows, 2 main chambers). That's alot of people in itself.
So I guess since It's A Small World and Pirates of the Caribbean never have waits (even though POTC has seen a little increase in attendence because of the movie, it still never goes over a 5-10 min wait) they should be replaced immediately too. I don't think the new Tiki Room show is a real crowd pleaser so why is it still there?
And for the record two years after Stitch's Great Escape opens the lines will be nonexistant also. The building is just too big. It will be a walk on but that doesnt mean it's not popular. The building just holds too many people to create a queue.
meeko_33785
Well-Known Member
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There is more to popularity that meerly the length of an attractions queue. Part of an attractions popularity also comes from what guests think of the attractions after they experience them. Alien Encounter, for instance, was one of the park's most complained about attractions and City Hall recieved many complaints about this one. IMO, guest's comments and complaints usually counts more for attractions than queue lengths. Comments and complaints, I believe played a big part in re-doing Alien Encounter, as well as JIYI, keeping CoP open this Summer, and other changes in the park.
There is more to popularity that meerly the length of an attractions queue. Part of an attractions popularity also comes from what guests think of the attractions after they experience them. Alien Encounter, for instance, was one of the park's most complained about attractions and City Hall recieved many complaints about this one. IMO, guest's comments and complaints usually counts more for attractions than queue lengths. Comments and complaints, I believe played a big part in re-doing Alien Encounter, as well as JIYI, keeping CoP open this Summer, and other changes in the park.
dxwwf3
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That was exactly my point. Except I usually don't run into the crying kids and complaining adults when I visit AE. I usually see the laughing teens and the excited young boys. I will admit I saw one kid coming out of AE crying on my last trip (the only time I've ever personally seen it happen. I know it does happen often though) and the parent wasn't mad. It was one of those things where the parent was laughing and trying to calm down the young one. I think if more people had seen my avatar and took notice to it, we wouldn't be having this discussion because AE would be intact.
That was exactly my point. Except I usually don't run into the crying kids and complaining adults when I visit AE. I usually see the laughing teens and the excited young boys. I will admit I saw one kid coming out of AE crying on my last trip (the only time I've ever personally seen it happen. I know it does happen often though) and the parent wasn't mad. It was one of those things where the parent was laughing and trying to calm down the young one. I think if more people had seen my avatar and took notice to it, we wouldn't be having this discussion because AE would be intact.
mkymaus
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IMO
I always thought EPCOT-DISNEYWORLD as are leader not the follower. You know, the awsome attractions in Florida always get duplicated in California for Disneyland. (i.e Tower of Terror etc)
Seems like we are slidding a bit in the imagination department here in the WORLD.
:lookaroun
GO CUBS!!!
I always thought EPCOT-DISNEYWORLD as are leader not the follower. You know, the awsome attractions in Florida always get duplicated in California for Disneyland. (i.e Tower of Terror etc)
Seems like we are slidding a bit in the imagination department here in the WORLD.
:lookaroun
GO CUBS!!!
the-reason
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I agree, I think it would be tite if they did soarin over WDW, because Ive always wondered what all of WDW property would look like up real high.
Re: Re: Re: What a bunch of complainers!
I agree with your point about the relation between building size and queue length. But regardless, your comparisons to other attractions are a little absurd and I think we both know it's not quite that simple.
I rode AE a number of times since it first opened. Although I was unimpressed from the start, I kept giving it additional chances thinking that maybe it would grow on me. It never did. If there had been any significant line for this attraction during any of my visits, I wouldn't have bothered with it. But not only was the attraction a walk on, I never saw the theater at close to full capacity. So for me it was not rocket science...You have a show that is not that great to begin with, is NEVER crowded, is housed in a relatively large show building and generates complaints from guests. It also didn't have the protection that a corporate sponsorship might have provided (as far as I know). And lastly, AE was far from being a "classic" attraction of the caliber of Pirates and some of your other examples. It seemed inevitable that this would all add up to a closure. What surprises me is the fact that it took as long as it did. NONE of the other attractions you gave as examples have all of these factors working against them.
I agree with your point about the relation between building size and queue length. But regardless, your comparisons to other attractions are a little absurd and I think we both know it's not quite that simple.
I rode AE a number of times since it first opened. Although I was unimpressed from the start, I kept giving it additional chances thinking that maybe it would grow on me. It never did. If there had been any significant line for this attraction during any of my visits, I wouldn't have bothered with it. But not only was the attraction a walk on, I never saw the theater at close to full capacity. So for me it was not rocket science...You have a show that is not that great to begin with, is NEVER crowded, is housed in a relatively large show building and generates complaints from guests. It also didn't have the protection that a corporate sponsorship might have provided (as far as I know). And lastly, AE was far from being a "classic" attraction of the caliber of Pirates and some of your other examples. It seemed inevitable that this would all add up to a closure. What surprises me is the fact that it took as long as it did. NONE of the other attractions you gave as examples have all of these factors working against them.
dxwwf3
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I think alot of the reasons you gave against AE are just opinions. Like I think AE is definately a classic and I personally put it in the same league as POTC and The Haunted Mansion (Note I said personally). So just because you think it sucks doesn't mean alot of other people don't like it. And just because I like it doesn't mean it's great. I just think that 8 years isn't a very long time to keep an E-Ticket attraction. And the money DEFINATLEY should've been spent elsewhere. The MK needs some new life but it doesn't need to destroy some of it's newest attractions (Alien Encounter and Timekeeper and Legend of the Lion King for that matter). I think that is absurd. It's absurd that there are so many old, tired attractions in the MK that are in dire need of replacement (I wont mention any names to aviod hurting those attractions' fans) and they are replacing the newest ones! I basically think that AE is the best thing Disney has ever done and you think it's crap. So I'll just leave it at that.
I think alot of the reasons you gave against AE are just opinions. Like I think AE is definately a classic and I personally put it in the same league as POTC and The Haunted Mansion (Note I said personally). So just because you think it sucks doesn't mean alot of other people don't like it. And just because I like it doesn't mean it's great. I just think that 8 years isn't a very long time to keep an E-Ticket attraction. And the money DEFINATLEY should've been spent elsewhere. The MK needs some new life but it doesn't need to destroy some of it's newest attractions (Alien Encounter and Timekeeper and Legend of the Lion King for that matter). I think that is absurd. It's absurd that there are so many old, tired attractions in the MK that are in dire need of replacement (I wont mention any names to aviod hurting those attractions' fans) and they are replacing the newest ones! I basically think that AE is the best thing Disney has ever done and you think it's crap. So I'll just leave it at that.
meeko_33785
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I agree that whenever I went to AE, I did not see any crying children or angry parents. I saw more kids and families that were unsure about how they liked it- not smiling, not laughing not saying "What a great attraction!" Most of them asked if that was it or if they had missed something. The only people I ever saw excited on the attraction were teenage girls, usually in Brazillian tour groups (who, in perspective,reacted the same way on the lift on Spaceship Earth at EPCOT). I think most of the complaints were not because it was scarry, but because it was, well... lame. :lookaroun
I agree that whenever I went to AE, I did not see any crying children or angry parents. I saw more kids and families that were unsure about how they liked it- not smiling, not laughing not saying "What a great attraction!" Most of them asked if that was it or if they had missed something. The only people I ever saw excited on the attraction were teenage girls, usually in Brazillian tour groups (who, in perspective,reacted the same way on the lift on Spaceship Earth at EPCOT). I think most of the complaints were not because it was scarry, but because it was, well... lame. :lookaroun
General Grizz
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I don't know if AE was intended to have families saying, "did ya like it?" It's not that kind of attraction.
You may argue that because this is so, it doesn't belong in the Magic Kingdom. And that's a valid point.
But Alien Encounter was Alien Encounter, designed to thrill guests - something it did. And a lot of people complained. And a lot of people loved it.
I personaly was wow'ed by all the special effects. I hadn't seen Alien Encounter until about 2000 or 2001. . . and I became an instant fan of Skippy. Even SIR. I love to listen to the show - in fact, I had a live recording playing this morning. It had original characters and setting, despite its darkness. Just something about it.
I think its a classic in its own right. Something just speaks out about the whole X-S thing, its own unique flavor (unlike film adaptions). Although this may not be the best example per se, but it demonstrated originality and the ability to draw crowds. Granted, this has dwindled recently, I'd still like to see stats, hmm, it really brought attendance up in the mid-90s. I wonder if Stitch will get as much...
Anyway, I'm upset to see AE go, but I'll be holly jolly if Skippy and SIR stay. I will miss the original feeling, but I personally don't put AE on level as its nearby Carousel of Progress, for example. Based on these possible situations (guest complaints/dwindling attendance?) it has fair right to be changed - and I hope for the better (meaning, crowds). I think it'll be cute to see what Stitch does. I just have a little tinkling telling me its not the same. . . I wonder if "scariness" is a factor of the new attraction.
Long live Skippy and SIR. . . seeing them go would be very upsetting. And I don't mean a little picture of Skippy somewhere. Two animatronics of Skippy exist . . . right now . . . and he's an alien. I'll be really ticked if he's not back at the Convention Center - er - Detachment Center.
You may argue that because this is so, it doesn't belong in the Magic Kingdom. And that's a valid point.
But Alien Encounter was Alien Encounter, designed to thrill guests - something it did. And a lot of people complained. And a lot of people loved it.
I personaly was wow'ed by all the special effects. I hadn't seen Alien Encounter until about 2000 or 2001. . . and I became an instant fan of Skippy. Even SIR. I love to listen to the show - in fact, I had a live recording playing this morning. It had original characters and setting, despite its darkness. Just something about it.
I think its a classic in its own right. Something just speaks out about the whole X-S thing, its own unique flavor (unlike film adaptions). Although this may not be the best example per se, but it demonstrated originality and the ability to draw crowds. Granted, this has dwindled recently, I'd still like to see stats, hmm, it really brought attendance up in the mid-90s. I wonder if Stitch will get as much...
Anyway, I'm upset to see AE go, but I'll be holly jolly if Skippy and SIR stay. I will miss the original feeling, but I personally don't put AE on level as its nearby Carousel of Progress, for example. Based on these possible situations (guest complaints/dwindling attendance?) it has fair right to be changed - and I hope for the better (meaning, crowds). I think it'll be cute to see what Stitch does. I just have a little tinkling telling me its not the same. . . I wonder if "scariness" is a factor of the new attraction.
Long live Skippy and SIR. . . seeing them go would be very upsetting. And I don't mean a little picture of Skippy somewhere. Two animatronics of Skippy exist . . . right now . . . and he's an alien. I'll be really ticked if he's not back at the Convention Center - er - Detachment Center.
meeko_33785
Well-Known Member
IMO oppinion, all attractions should have happy guests exiting it. Even thrill attractions like Tower of Terror, DINOSAUR, and Mission: SPACE that are intense and scarry emit a good responce- laughter, excitment, happy guests. Even other senosry attractions like Honey I Shrunk the Kids and even, to a degree, Sounds Dangerous (which I thought was the only thing at WDW worse that AE) emitted a happy responce. All of the AE audiences I had ever seen got out of the attraction, for the most part confused and let down). It just wasn't, IMO, a satisfying attraction.
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OF COURSE they are opinions. If I indicated that I was expressing these as FACTS then I apologize because that was not my intent. Nevertheless, it is my OPINION that AE was basically a pretty boring attraction. I would tend to think that there were enough people who share this opinion to warrant closing the attraction. Even if, like you, I LOVED the attraction, I wouldn't be surprised to see it closing. This is because the evidence (again, evidence as opposed to FACTS) seems to support the theory that it was not a widely popular attraction. As I've stated before, I would not have described AE as "popular". I would describe it as having more of a cult following. There's no shame in being among those who loved the attraction, I'm just not personally one of them. And my observations have been that there are more people who disliked it than there were who liked it. Consequently, I'm not surprised it was closed. That was the point of my post. That's all. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to stop loving the attraction. I'm just saying I'm not surprised it was closed but that I AM baffled as to why so many people ARE surprised. It's like a great movie that you love, but you know it won't be a box office hit. So when the movie bombs you say, "I'm not surprised", but it doesn't mean that you personally didn't like the movie. Make sense?
OF COURSE they are opinions. If I indicated that I was expressing these as FACTS then I apologize because that was not my intent. Nevertheless, it is my OPINION that AE was basically a pretty boring attraction. I would tend to think that there were enough people who share this opinion to warrant closing the attraction. Even if, like you, I LOVED the attraction, I wouldn't be surprised to see it closing. This is because the evidence (again, evidence as opposed to FACTS) seems to support the theory that it was not a widely popular attraction. As I've stated before, I would not have described AE as "popular". I would describe it as having more of a cult following. There's no shame in being among those who loved the attraction, I'm just not personally one of them. And my observations have been that there are more people who disliked it than there were who liked it. Consequently, I'm not surprised it was closed. That was the point of my post. That's all. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to stop loving the attraction. I'm just saying I'm not surprised it was closed but that I AM baffled as to why so many people ARE surprised. It's like a great movie that you love, but you know it won't be a box office hit. So when the movie bombs you say, "I'm not surprised", but it doesn't mean that you personally didn't like the movie. Make sense?
dxwwf3
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Yes I was taking what you said to mean that you thought it was a fact. So I guess I just misunderstood your "tone" of the post.
I am just surprised that it is closing because this is really, I guess the first time a true E-Ticket attraction has ever closed in my lifetime. Some might not think that AE was an E-Ticket but if they make T-Shirts, Keychains, and freakin ink pins featuring the alien I would classify that as being a big deal :lol: (I own all of those by the way
).
And I still think that AE was popular among the Disney faithful. It might not have been as popular with first time guests but I mean you can't really tell by that because they had no idea what they were getting on. You can even tell by a poll on this board that while not everyone is anti SGE (like I am), most people liked Alien Encounter. The link to that poll is
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29572
Currently 60 out of 80 people polled liked the attraction. I mean it might not have been their favorites but hey they did like it. And that pretty much shows me that it was somewhat popular. I just think that Disney needs to keep their variety. There needs to be things in every park that are geared for all of the age groups. AE was the one thing we had in the MK for us. Sure the Mountains (except maybe Splash) are fun but they are still kiddie thirll rides (compared to RNRC and Tower of Terror. Doesn't mean they aren't good but they aren't that thrilling).
Yes I was taking what you said to mean that you thought it was a fact. So I guess I just misunderstood your "tone" of the post.
I am just surprised that it is closing because this is really, I guess the first time a true E-Ticket attraction has ever closed in my lifetime. Some might not think that AE was an E-Ticket but if they make T-Shirts, Keychains, and freakin ink pins featuring the alien I would classify that as being a big deal :lol: (I own all of those by the way
). And I still think that AE was popular among the Disney faithful. It might not have been as popular with first time guests but I mean you can't really tell by that because they had no idea what they were getting on. You can even tell by a poll on this board that while not everyone is anti SGE (like I am), most people liked Alien Encounter. The link to that poll is
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29572
Currently 60 out of 80 people polled liked the attraction. I mean it might not have been their favorites but hey they did like it. And that pretty much shows me that it was somewhat popular. I just think that Disney needs to keep their variety. There needs to be things in every park that are geared for all of the age groups. AE was the one thing we had in the MK for us. Sure the Mountains (except maybe Splash) are fun but they are still kiddie thirll rides (compared to RNRC and Tower of Terror. Doesn't mean they aren't good but they aren't that thrilling).
MichRX7
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You must be very young
Wasn't 20,000 Leagues an E-Ticket? I'll have to pull out some of my old left-over ticket books and make sure. LOL, of course I'll have to use process of elimination since I'm sure none of those ticket books have any E's left inside.
Is there a website that lists what attractions were what tickets? I can guess at most of them.
Was Mission To Mars a D-Ticket or E? Personally I was let-down when that was converted to AE. And while I enjoyed the effects in AE I didn't feel it was worth the money they spent on it. (they could have put in another roller coaster for that amount of cash, lol)
Of course I was ticked when they closed If you had Wings/Could Fly (etc...), but am thrilled with the new Buzz ride. So I look forward to the new change. Didn't Walt say the one constant at his parks would be change?
I'm more ticked every time I walk past the watery lagoon than I will ever be when I see the new Stitch ride. At least the building is being used for something, the Lagoon is like a slap in the face.
Originally posted by dxwwf3
I am just surprised that it is closing because this is really, I guess the first time a true E-Ticket attraction has ever closed in my lifetime. Some might not think that AE was an E-Ticket but if they make T-Shirts, Keychains, and freakin ink pins featuring the alien I would classify that as being a big deal :lol: (I own all of those by the way
You must be very young
Wasn't 20,000 Leagues an E-Ticket? I'll have to pull out some of my old left-over ticket books and make sure. LOL, of course I'll have to use process of elimination since I'm sure none of those ticket books have any E's left inside.
Is there a website that lists what attractions were what tickets? I can guess at most of them.
Was Mission To Mars a D-Ticket or E? Personally I was let-down when that was converted to AE. And while I enjoyed the effects in AE I didn't feel it was worth the money they spent on it. (they could have put in another roller coaster for that amount of cash, lol)
Of course I was ticked when they closed If you had Wings/Could Fly (etc...), but am thrilled with the new Buzz ride. So I look forward to the new change. Didn't Walt say the one constant at his parks would be change?
I'm more ticked every time I walk past the watery lagoon than I will ever be when I see the new Stitch ride. At least the building is being used for something, the Lagoon is like a slap in the face.