wearing face masks?

[Jon81uk]

End of the day, you don't want to catch this, the masks is about you. Wear a damn mask if you care about yourself. Or if you care about those you're in close contact with. Will it help, maybe a small chance, but every little bit helps. We want to be past all this ****.

Masks are almost always about you helping others. Simple cloth masks won't significantly stop you catching covid, but will drastically reduce the chance that you pass it on to others if you are asymptomatic.

Again, You wear a face covering to protect me and I wear one to protect you.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

End of the day, you don't want to catch this, the masks is about you. Wear a damn mask if you care about yourself. Or if you care about those you're in close contact with. Will it help, maybe a small chance, but every little bit helps. We want to be past all this ****.

And I will also add "follow the rules when you go somewhere, or don't go there to begin with." I'm as anti-mask as it gets, but if I go somewhere with a mask rule, I follow it.

 

[Tom P.]

A dangerous comorbidity for COVID is elevated blood glucose. There are a lot of people choosing to ignore that. Doctors and nurses are saying they're seeing complications start, for the most part, with patients who have an A1C higher than 7. Most people I know who walked around for years with elevated blood glucose without getting checked were well above that. Some even double that.

My guess is that a lot of people going to Disney are high risk in some way or another and just don't know it.

The term "high risk" really starts to become meaningless when it encompasses so many factors and conditions that virtually the entire population falls into it.

 

[Tom P.]

My issue has never been whether masks are effective or not, it's always been that we're vastly overstating the severity of the virus itself. Masks might be effective in slowing the spread of the flu or the common cold, too, but we don't mandate masks every cold and flu season. Why? Because we've convinced ourselves that coronavirus is orders of magnitude more severe. It's not. Yes, it is *somewhat* more severe, maybe even *much* more severe, but our response has been to treat it like has a 40% mortality rate, when in reality it basically has a 0% mortality rate for anyone under 65.

In other words, I'm not anti-mask because I think they're ineffective, I'm anti-mask because the virus is nothing to be afraid of and the collective paranoia we're living through is far more damaging to our mental health that the virus is to our bodies.

But we have a vaccine for the flu. We do not yet have one for COVID-19. No one -- literally not one single person -- is suggesting that wearing masks is going to be a permanent response to COVID-19. I think the general expectation at this point is that we do masks temporarily to try to slow the spread of COVID-19 with the expectation that by the end of this year or early next year we have proven effective therapeutics and/or a vaccine. At which point, we stop wearing the masks.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Anecdotes are not statistics. What you're describing is very rare. You're probably not going to get it. Even if you get it, you're unlikely to experience any symptoms whatsoever. Even if you experience symptoms, they're unlikely to be severe. Even if they're severe, it's unlikely to require hospitalization. Even if it requires hospitalization, you're likely to make a full recovery. You're describing a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

And yes, my mother had it (confirmed via testing) and we're pretty sure my father and sister had it, though they weren't tested.

I don't think it's rare, the problem is in what we are recording. Now in my neck of the woods (northeastern US, pennsylvania in particular) we are seeing thousands and I mean thousands of "recovered" covid positive folks who are calling themselves chronic covid patients. the problem is they are not counted as those moderately sick. They are having long term issues. chronic breathing problems, chronic severe muscle pain to the point they can't move or work.
Now maybe in your world having chronic breathing difficulties is "fully recovered", I don't know but we are seeing more and more cases of supposedly mild symptomatic folks who are not "recovered". at least not what I would call recovered. so some times "anecdotes" tell a better story than statistics.
What you count is equally important. now me personally I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think our response has been pathetic, to be polite and a major cluster&^ you know what if I'm not concerned with politeness.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine are effective therapeutics but they've been rejected in the mainstream discourse for political reasons.

Are you serious? https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexle...d-drug-with-irresponsible-study/#2ea05ff2f912

 

[Donald Esq]

Remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine are effective therapeutics but they've been rejected in the mainstream discourse for political reasons.

HCQ is not an effective therapeutic, and in many instances the harm it has caused has been worse than any perceived benefit. Basically every peer reviewed study has proven this. Remdesivir is a better than nothing therapeutic but is far from a panacea.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

HCQ is not an effective therapeutic, and in many instances the harm it has caused has been worse than any perceived benefit. Basically every peer reviewed study has proven this. Remdesivir is a better than nothing therapeutic but is far from a panacea.

Dig a little bit deeper. The studies that show that HCQ is dangerous use either 1) dosages that are much too high or 2) combination of the drug with azithromycin, which seems to cause problems. In the appropriate small doses, administered early (that part is key), it is effective and safe.

Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN

Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.

www.cnn.com

 

[Donald Esq]

I’ve dug plenty deep. I work in this space. HCQ is fool’s gold. Like I said, remdesivir is the best we have currently, but it’s nowhere near good enough.

 

[disneygeek90]

My buddy never coughed, sneezed, or even cleared his throat around me. The only other people that were around us had on masks, long sleeves, and gloves. However, he was showing me a book he had and showing me an app and how to use it on my phone. We were handling the same things. The crazy thing is I've had a case probably between moderate and severe and so did he. However, my wife got it and literally didn't even know she had it. At. All. She has now tested negative but I've tested positive twice already and will probably have to wait two more weeks to take another test because I've yet to go "3 days without symptoms". My kids didn't get it at all and IF my buddy's wife and stepkids got it they never showed symptoms either but none of them even got tested. There are no two cases the same but me and my buddy had very similar cases. He's back to work now but I'm not even close. To compound it I'm a UPS man and our job is insanely physical and we don't have air conditioners and drive a big brown stove for a living and even simply walking around my house gets me winded. I live on 40 acres and walking around in the field makes me feel like I might literally pass out. I can honestly say the "recovery" is worse than the actual time when it was at its height. Lots of people that have it are saying that. I'm still not in favor of everyone being forced to wear masks though because I genuinely don't think it's going to stop people from getting it. I think what can stop people from getting it is don't spend more than 10 minutes in a close proximity to someone else. There is much more merit to the "distancing" than the masks.

Am I correct in that you are assuming you got the virus from your friend?

If so, it sounds like you were close in range and not wearing masks. Talking spreads particles. Masks are supposed to protect people from spreading their germs when they talk, cough and sneeze. Distancing is obviously the preferred method, but when that's not always possible (in a theme park or showing someone an app on a phone) masks are helpful.

I hope you are feeling better soon.

 

[BASS]

I actually have the coronavirus right now. A mask would have 100% not have stopped me from getting it. Who are you around that is constantly coughing and sneezing? Who are you around for more than 10 minutes in a close proximity that you don't know? That's how you get the virus. I know because I have it and have had a million medical people calling me for the last 4 weeks to ask me about it. Going to a theme park and walking past people does NOT "expose" you to the virus. Masks are being used by virtue signalers to shame people that don't want to wear them. If people want to wear them I don't care about that and am fine with it. Would you go to Disneyworld if they didn't have a mask mandate?

Let's find common ground first. Can't we agree to the following:

1. No one wants to wear a mask.
2. Everyone wants to go back to the way things were.

IMO, no one is "virtue signaling" concerning masks. Since we're all in this together, the quickest way to return to the way things were is to take every precaution no matter how onerous it may be. If we all take this seriously, we can *hopefully* put this behind us. Might some folks be more vocal? Sure. But it's just a reflection of the fact that the quickest way for America to move forward is for everyone to band together, put the "opinions" about masks on the backburner, and wear the damn thing until we're done and through with this. Like everyone else, I want to go to bars, restaurants, get-togethers, movies, etc. We can't do these things if there's say, 70% compliance with the masks, social distancing, etc.

Get well.

 

[HongKongFooy]

1. No one wants to wear a mask.

We most certainly can not agree with item number 1

Countless times I have seen people driving alone in cars or walking alone on streets or waiting alone at bus stops. What in the world are these people doing wearing masks??
Fear of getting something from another, nope...... Fear of giving something to another, nope..... Mindlessly wearing just to wear, yep.

 

[G00fyDad]

We most certainly can not agree with item number 1

Countless times I have seen people driving alone in cars or walking alone on streets or waiting alone at bus stops. What in the world are these people doing wearing masks??
Fear of getting something from another, nope...... Fear of giving something to another, nope..... Mindlessly wearing just to wear, yep.

I have gone to a drive-thru for a soft drink or coffee and put my mask on before dealing with the cashier and then drove away with it still on my face. I am blocks away before I realize "Crap! I still have this thing on." and I take it off.

Perspective.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

We most certainly can not agree with item number 1

Countless times I have seen people driving alone in cars or walking alone on streets or waiting alone at bus stops. What in the world are these people doing wearing masks??
Fear of getting something from another, nope...... Fear of giving something to another, nope..... Mindlessly wearing just to wear, yep.

Some people just might not be that bothered by it to notice, I don't think it's fear or making a statement that drives them.
Well, some people wear sunglasses at night.

 

[Donald Esq]

We most certainly can not agree with item number 1

Countless times I have seen people driving alone in cars or walking alone on streets or waiting alone at bus stops. What in the world are these people doing wearing masks??
Fear of getting something from another, nope...... Fear of giving something to another, nope..... Mindlessly wearing just to wear, yep.

Walking alone on the streets or waiting alone at a bus stop are not static situations. You can encounter people at any time, and digging out a mask at that point is too late, especially boarding a bus. Don’t be that jerk who is standing there with your mask off and then makes the bus wait for you to find it and put it on. Driving is probably just mindlessly forgetting to take it off. But nobody wants this.

 

[BASS]

We most certainly can not agree with item number 1

Countless times I have seen people driving alone in cars or walking alone on streets or waiting alone at bus stops. What in the world are these people doing wearing masks??
Fear of getting something from another, nope...... Fear of giving something to another, nope..... Mindlessly wearing just to wear, yep.

The mere fact that some folks may be over-cautious or hypochondriacs doesn't change the fact that no one wanted a disruption to their daily life in this manner.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The mere fact that some folks may be over-cautious or hypochondriacs doesn't change the fact that no one wanted a disruption to their daily life in this manner.

Perfect, let's not disrupt our daily lives.

(Yes, I'm saying we should go back to normal and just let whatever is going to happen, happen.)

 

[Jon81uk]

(Yes, I'm saying we should go back to normal and just let whatever is going to happen, happen.)

I thought many US states were basically doing this anyway and that is why the death count is going up again?

 

[lazyboy97o]

1. No one wants to wear a mask.

I do. I’m enjoying the enhanced anonymity.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Yes, let’s sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people at the altar of your comfort and convenience.

It's not about comfort and convenience, it's about what it means to be a human being.

An old man dies in a nursing home. He dies all alone because his loved ones aren't allowed to visit him due to lockdowns.

The tragedy in that scenario is not the first sentence, it's the second sentence. I don't care about masks, I care about the complete shutdown of basic human interactions. I care about people dying alone, dementia patients being abandoned, couples not getting married, fathers being shut out of the birth of their sons and daughters, grandparents not getting to hold their grandchildren.

I pray that you never know what it feels like to be forbidden from seeing a loved one in his or her final days, all in the name of "flattening the curve."

We are social creatures. Aristotle figured it out more than 2,000 years ago. "Social distancing" is anathema to our nature.