Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I like you...you don’t take simple things you don’t understand and try to make elaborate generalities that don’t apply out of them...
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News WDW Resorts to add fees for parking
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I like you...you don’t take simple things you don’t understand and try to make elaborate generalities that don’t apply out of them...
21stamps
Well-Known Member
Then we came full circle:
WDW pricing is not constructed by supply and demand and personnel valuation...that is maybe 20% (I’m being more than generous) -its an economic construct that has taken 55 years (actually 65 starting in Anaheim) and has evolved/morphed continually over that period.
It can’t be boiled down to a sentence and if “x”, then “y”....
Even the aforementioned “after hours Magic” has a really heavy ton of stuff cooking in the pot before we see it (I don’t work with things like that anymore...but I once did)
I’ll try to just give the keys:
1. They have adjusted operations to create the demand
2. They have a computer prebooking system that allows the “need” to be there when it wasn’t pre fp+
3. They have a portfolio of hard tickets and add ons rolled out for a decade to recenter customer expectations and soften the financial requirements to sell these things. Again...to create both “need” and “demand”
My advice: don’t move to Stockholm
I’m not the one complaining about Disney while simultaneously vacationing there. That’s where your Stockholm comment would apply.
You can stress about Disney parking fees, or any other fee, you can demand to know why they’re not included any longer. But it doesn’t matter.
Whether a company makes $1 profit or $1,000,000 profit off of you, it doesn’t matter. All that matters is if you are happy with the product itself.
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Lensman
Well-Known Member
So let's say you're thinking of staying at the Caribbean Beach Resort checking in on 10/13 and checking out on 10/19 for $292 a night. This new parking fee has now changed the formula to:
1. If I am going to drive to WDW or fly and rent a car, Caribbean Beach Resort is $311 a night, including $19 for parking.
2. If I am going to fly and take DME, Caribbean Beach Resort is $292 a night.
3. If I am clueless and I am driving, I might think that CBR is $292 a night, ignoring the parking fee because... I'm clueless.
Anyway, could it be that as a result of this pricing, fewer drivers will stay at CBR and more non-drivers will stay there? Both at the rack rate and at discount rates? Traditionally, these kinds of pricing differences are used to create difference customer preference in addition to getting a bit of a money grab from the fact that many people won't take the parking costs into account when making their purchase decision.
Here are some comparisons for comparably priced 2 double or 2 queen rooms off of Expedia:
- Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress for $279 a night. Seems cheaper until you you include the $33.75 resort fee. Self-parking is $22.
- Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace for $293 a night. Seems comparable until you include the $30 a night resort fee. Self-parking is $10.65.
- Wyndham Orlando at International Drive is cheaper at $218 a night even if you include the $24.69 resort fee. Free parking here!
- Hilton Orlando at Bonnet Creek is $327 plus $40 resort fee plus $27 self-parking fee.
- Omni Orlando resort at Champion's Gate is $343 plus $30 "daily property fee" (huh?) plus $22 for self-parking. It's out at the Champion's gate golf area so paying for parking here is crazy to me, but I guess this is just the way things are nowadays.
Wyndham at I-Drive was the only one with free parking. Even worse, they all have hated resort fees. I think resort fees either need to be regulated away or the online travel agencies need to have more transparent pricing and sorting options - like default to "include resort fees" and having an option to include parking fees. Hey, while they are at it maybe they could have an option for "include internet fee". After all, my use of eBay went up after they created the option to "order by price including shipping".
1. If I am going to drive to WDW or fly and rent a car, Caribbean Beach Resort is $311 a night, including $19 for parking.
2. If I am going to fly and take DME, Caribbean Beach Resort is $292 a night.
3. If I am clueless and I am driving, I might think that CBR is $292 a night, ignoring the parking fee because... I'm clueless.
Anyway, could it be that as a result of this pricing, fewer drivers will stay at CBR and more non-drivers will stay there? Both at the rack rate and at discount rates? Traditionally, these kinds of pricing differences are used to create difference customer preference in addition to getting a bit of a money grab from the fact that many people won't take the parking costs into account when making their purchase decision.
Here are some comparisons for comparably priced 2 double or 2 queen rooms off of Expedia:
- Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress for $279 a night. Seems cheaper until you you include the $33.75 resort fee. Self-parking is $22.
- Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace for $293 a night. Seems comparable until you include the $30 a night resort fee. Self-parking is $10.65.
- Wyndham Orlando at International Drive is cheaper at $218 a night even if you include the $24.69 resort fee. Free parking here!
- Hilton Orlando at Bonnet Creek is $327 plus $40 resort fee plus $27 self-parking fee.
- Omni Orlando resort at Champion's Gate is $343 plus $30 "daily property fee" (huh?) plus $22 for self-parking. It's out at the Champion's gate golf area so paying for parking here is crazy to me, but I guess this is just the way things are nowadays.
Wyndham at I-Drive was the only one with free parking. Even worse, they all have hated resort fees. I think resort fees either need to be regulated away or the online travel agencies need to have more transparent pricing and sorting options - like default to "include resort fees" and having an option to include parking fees. Hey, while they are at it maybe they could have an option for "include internet fee". After all, my use of eBay went up after they created the option to "order by price including shipping".
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
For small values of 'Value' as the mathmaticians would say...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
And the resort is not 50% better either, Now you can dine on your overpriced meal in a mess tent that the army would be ashamed of...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
You are forgetting one item here though, those hotels offer breakfast of various sorts as part of the room price so add $100 bucks/day to the Disney stay for a family of 4
pug
Well-Known Member
But what happens if you are pretending that you are just a day guest?
pug
Well-Known Member
Lol. Good one
pug
Well-Known Member
They scan on the way out now? Don’t they just usually leave the gates in automatic mode?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Now that I think about it...the out is irrelevant.
Nobody goes into any hotel in their own vehicle without them pulling the arrival on the computer or scanner and calling it to the front. There is literally no way to get a car in without them at least having an attempt to register it. The prechecked in bands is even easier to track.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Day guests aren’t really allowed. They don’t really encourage that anymore and ask for reservations at the good spots.
Why are you so concerned about this? If you’re looking for a permenant way to get around this...there won’t be one. This is free money...they will collect. Have no doubt of that.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
For the record...I like you too!
But you’re always wrong on these discussions.
I don’t complain! I point out trends and patterns and try to explain the “why” when I have it lined up. It’s a discussion forum. But there are sometimes truths that can’t be negated by “my opinion!”
And you went middle school.
So if I were to do that...I could pull all your cries for people to pay more (I got a tip you were at it today)...and pull it for when you were appalled at raises or pay for the workers at the place you tell people they should pay more for...
This is the introduction to the opposites.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
Yeah, so umm.. that’s kinda weird about the “tip”., but hey, the interwebs are a weird place sometimes I guess.
You received wrong info though, I’m not telling anyone to pay more. I’m saying - Pay for what you see value in.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’ll give you this: they’ll carry you off the laisse faire field of battle on your shield....
I am Timmy
Well-Known Member
I have been following this thread since the beginning. It has gotten very bizarre. New parking fees suck. The end.
Lensman
Well-Known Member
Where do you see that the resorts I listed offer a free breakfast? I didn't see that on Expedia. I'll add the information below on the add-on breakfast fees that I see on Expedia.
Here are some comparisons for comparably priced 2 double or 2 queen rooms off of Expedia:
- Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress for $279 a night. Seems cheaper until you you include the $33.75 resort fee. Self-parking is $22. Breakfast available for $27.95 per adult and $14.50 per child. Or you can choose a rate that is $49 higher and get free breakfast for 2 as well as 2-hour late checkout.
- Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace for $293 a night. Seems comparable until you include the $30 a night resort fee. Self-parking is $10.65. Breakfast available as an option for $20-$30 per person.
- Wyndham Orlando at International Drive is cheaper at $218 a night even if you include the $24.69 resort fee. Free parking here! Breakfast fee between $12 and $14 per person. Or you can choose a rate of $246 that includes breakfast for 2.
- Hilton Orlando at Bonnet Creek is $327 plus $40 resort fee plus $27 self-parking fee. Breakfast fee is $28 per adult and $15 per child.
- Omni Orlando resort at Champion's Gate is $343 plus $30 "daily property fee" (huh?) plus $22 for self-parking. It's out at the Champion's gate golf area so paying for parking here is crazy to me, but I guess this is just the way things are nowadays. Breakfast fee between $26.50 and $32.61 per person.
Also, did you just want me to extend my analysis to breakfast fees? I don't see how it's entirely relevant to the issue of the fact that an increasing number of resorts in the WDW area are charging parking fees and resort fees. Since you're looking to contribute to the discussion, how do you feel about the fact that non-Disney resorts seem to charge the hated resort fee? Resort fees are the worst because they are mandatory. The logical endpoint to ever-inflating resort fees is that the base room rate will be $0 and the resort fees will be $200 per night.
Also, I'd like to hear your opinion on whether you think the differentiation in pricing between those with a car and those without will affect preference. Honestly it was a surprise to me how many resorts in the area charge for parking. I was thinking that they would include parking and that we'd see that Disney's new parking fee would make people with a car prefer offsite and have no effect on people without a car.
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John park hopper
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Embassy Suites I Drive Orlando --well under $200 a night, $15 parking fee. Go through expedia and get the room for half that $200 breakfast and evening drinks included, transportation to WDW. There are better deals than those previously listed.
Here's an interesting observation about the potential effect being an "industry standard hotel" with parking and resort fees can have... from the LA Times...
Lensman
Well-Known Member
I'm sure there are better deals, I'm not trying to prove that CBR is the best deal. As I said in my post, I was trying to see if Disney adding the parking fee created price differentiation for drivers vs DME users and if it would mean that there would be more DME users drawn to the resort vs drivers. This proved fruitless because so many of the resorts in the price category for that week in October I was looking at (check-in 10/13, check-out 10/19) had parking fees already so they wasn't a difference in value between drivers and non-drivers between resorts except at the Wyndam and it was cheaper anyway.
Do you mean the Embassy Suites Lake Buena Vista Resort on Lake Street or the Embassy Suites by Hilton Orlando Lake Buena Vista South? Both of those seem to be the closest Embassy Suites to WDW at 8 miles away and 10 miles away, respectively.
FWIW, I'll add the two to my list of 2 double/queen beds for check-in 10/13, check-out 10/19 for you:
- Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress for $279 a night. Seems cheaper until you you include the $33.75 resort fee. Self-parking is $22. Breakfast available for $27.95 per adult and $14.50 per child. Or you can choose a rate that is $49 higher and get free breakfast for 2 as well as 2-hour late checkout.
- Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace for $293 a night. Seems comparable until you include the $30 a night resort fee. Self-parking is $10.65. Breakfast available as an option for $20-$30 per person.
- Wyndham Orlando at International Drive is cheaper at $218 a night even if you include the $24.69 resort fee. Free parking here! Breakfast fee between $12 and $14 per person. Or you can choose a rate of $246 that includes breakfast for 2.
- Hilton Orlando at Bonnet Creek is $327 plus $40 resort fee plus $27 self-parking fee. Breakfast fee is $28 per adult and $15 per child.
- Omni Orlando resort at Champion's Gate is $343 plus $30 "daily property fee" (huh?) plus $22 for self-parking. It's out at the Champion's gate golf area so paying for parking here is crazy to me, but I guess this is just the way things are nowadays. Breakfast fee between $26.50 and $32.61 per person.
- Embassy Suites Lake Buena Vista Resort for $205 plus $20 resort fee. Breakfast is included as usual at Embassy Suites and it's pretty good from my experience at other Embassy Suites across the midwest. Self-parking is $12 a day.
- Embassy Suites by Hilton Orlando Lake Buena Vista South for $151. NO RESORT FEE! Breakfast is included. Self-parking is $10.75 a night.
Again, it's surprising to me that the Embassy Suites is charging for parking. It's nice that breakfast is truly included there, but it must be a hallmark of the chain as there is a nice free breakfast buffet with made-to-order omelettes at all the ones I've stayed at. Even the one in Manhattan as free breakfast! I'm also surprised that one of their locations charges a resort fee but the other does not.
Lensman
Well-Known Member
Sadly, this sounds like a race to the bottom for the hotel industry like fees and reduced comfort is for the airline industry. Massive complaints all around but enough people make their decision purely on advertised price so airlines have no choice but to follow their competitors to the bottom. It's nice to see SouthWest holding firm with their 2 free bags.
Of course, as the LV Visitors Bureau says, the conclusions could be faulty if the effect is really a result of the mass shooting instead. Resort fees have been making people mad for a long time in Vegas. It's bad when the daily resort fee is greater than the "Are there any room upgrades available?" tip on check-in.