WDW Hot Takes

Jungle Cruise should be torn out and replaced. Mediocre at best, essentially superfluous with the existence of Animal Kingdom, and Disney could do more interesting things with the huge plot of land it takes up. The one at Disneyland should stay since it was Walt's attraction, but the Disney World copy can go.

While Na'vi River Journey isn't better than Flight of Passage when riding both for the first time, the re-rideability for NRJ is higher. Once you've been on FoP a few times you're basically just watching a movie (a pretty movie, but still a movie). I actually enjoy NRJ more than FoP now; it's a more immersive/transportive experience.

Cosmic Rewind isn't anything special. It's a fun enough roller coaster, but it fails as a Guardians of the Galaxy attraction and as a themed attraction in general. The story is basically incomprehensible and pointless -- the ride would probably be improved if it was just a space attraction focused on nebulae, stars, etc.

DHS was a better park in 1995 than it is right now.
1. It could be that I personally enjoy Jungle Cruise, but there is just a charm with the rid that makes it enjoyable. It's a classic and even though it takes up a lot of room, there is so much space to the left of it. It could be multiple rides or even it's own land.

2. I can understand you liking Navi River Journey more than Flight of Passage. It has been a few years since I've been on either one.

3. I can understand why you don't think Cosmic Rewind doesn't do a good job with being a Guardians attraction, but I think the sound track makes the ride. If it was just a coaster focusing on nebulae and stars, it wouldn't do a good job at differentiating itself from the other indoor launch coasters at WDW.

4. I do think the theme of the park was more of a studios, I have to disagree. The park definetley needs some work and maybe even a second re-name, but almost every attraction at the park is great in my opinion. In 1995 the park was just concrete show buildings, nothing bad it's just kinda reduntant to me. The current park has problems but I think they have imrpoved it from 1995.


P.S. You bring up great points for your hot takes.
 

WorldExplorer

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Disney Villains in the parks are fun as singular meeting characters (I will include parades when it's not a group float and the actors have improv room in that) and acceptable in book report rides, and nowhere else.

Any time they try to incorporate them into something where they need to write dialogue for them it ends up cringy and boring. Especially when it's a group.

Villainland sounds really lame partially for that reason.
 

DisneyHead123

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Disney Villains in the parks are fun as singular meeting characters (I will include parades when it's not a group float and the actors have improv room in that) and acceptable in book report rides, and nowhere else.

Any time they try to incorporate them into something where they need to write dialogue for them it ends up cringy and boring. Especially when it's a group.

Villainland sounds really lame partially for that reason.

My concern about Villains is that it looks like tons of grey rock work in the concept art. Hoping Disney gets out of their monochrome era before it’s actually built.
 

UNCgolf

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Disney Springs is nothing special and mostly a waste of time.

Not if you want to eat good food.

I don't think there's much else there that matters, but even the QS places at DS are better than most of the TS options in the parks. Last time we were at Disney we ate dinner at DS almost every night, even if it was just late QS after leaving one of the parks in the evening.
 

UNCgolf

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Or if you enjoy certain kinds of shopping.

Sure, although there's little there that can't be found at relatively upscale mall/shopping areas around the US, other than the World of Disney and a couple of the smaller Disney shops they have.

I don't think World of Disney is special now either, though. I understand why they made the changes, and the aesthetic/interior design probably did need to change, but now it mostly feels like you're in any random department store (other than the fact that all the merchandise is Disney, obviously).
 

LittleBuford

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Sure, although there's little there that can't be found at relatively upscale mall/shopping areas around the US, other than the World of Disney and a couple of the smaller Disney shops they have.

I don't think World of Disney is special now either, though. I understand why they made the changes, and the aesthetic/interior design probably did need to change, but now it mostly feels like you're in any random department store.
I don't disagree, but for those of us without easy access to such malls or shopping areas (I live nowhere near one), a visit to Disney Springs during a WDW trip offers something a little different. And even though the World of Disney has lost much of its character, I still enjoy being surrounded by Disney merch, especially now that there are almost no physical Disney Stores left.
 

UNCgolf

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I don't disagree, but for those of us without easy access to such malls or shopping areas (I live nowhere near one), a visit to Disney Springs during a WDW trip offers something a little different. And even though the World of Disney has lost much of its character, I still enjoy being surrounded by Disney merch, especially now that there are almost no physical Disney Stores left.

I was going to edit my post to use that exact word -- character. It's not that the old World of Disney was something truly special or incredibly different than what's there now, but it had significantly more character than the new version.

I think the fact that the many of the in-park stores and resort gift shops basically carry the same stuff that you'll find at World of Disney hurts it too. Obviously World of Disney has more of everything, but if you only stop in there after you've been in the parks for a few days, you may not see anything you haven't already seen elsewhere.

Regardless, I understand your point. The last two times we were there we went to World of Disney on our arrival day before visiting any parks and I think that's probably the best way to do it from a shopping standpoint.
 

Chef Mickey

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Not if you want to eat good food.

I don't think there's much else there that matters, but even the QS places at DS are better than most of the TS options in the parks. Last time we were at Disney we ate dinner at DS almost every night, even if it was just late QS after leaving one of the parks in the evening.
The food there isn’t that good either.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Not if you want to eat good food.

I don't think there's much else there that matters, but even the QS places at DS are better than most of the TS options in the parks. Last time we were at Disney we ate dinner at DS almost every night, even if it was just late QS after leaving one of the parks in the evening.

I'm not so picky an eater that I'd deal with the hassle of going out to Springs after a long day in the parks just to eat, unless there was a specific restaurant in mind.

Also another reason to stay off site and/or have a rental car.
 

OzAn

Member
1. Magic Kingdom is the second worst castle park in the world. To go further, it has always been an inferior park to its sisters. On opening, it was not as good as Disneyland. Tokyo on opening was better (and still is, which is really a gut punch since it’s so modeled off of MK yet does it so much better). Paris opened better. Shanghai is better. Only Hong Kong is lesser.

To that end, I think what they’re doing for it is a net good for the park. It will finally take on an identity of its own, finally get some true uniqueness, and can finally escape the tall shadows its spent its whole existence under (hopefully).

Not talking about opening day, but the current Disneyland HK is better than MK especially after new castle and Arendelle is introduced. It has more than enough rides now. The aesthetics of the real mountain backdrop can't be beat. Mystic Manor and Grizzly Mountain Runaway cars are two of the best Disney rides Imagineers have come up with. Frozen Ever After in HK is really good and emphsised how made-on-the cheap the Epcot one was.

While Na'vi River Journey isn't better than Flight of Passage when riding both for the first time, the re-rideability for NRJ is higher. Once you've been on FoP a few times you're basically just watching a movie (a pretty movie, but still a movie). I actually enjoy NRJ more than FoP now; it's a more immersive/transportive experience.

Cosmic Rewind isn't anything special. It's a fun enough roller coaster, but it fails as a Guardians of the Galaxy attraction and as a themed attraction in general. The story is basically incomprehensible and pointless -- the ride would probably be improved if it was just a space attraction focused on nebulae, stars, etc.

I enjoy Na'vi River Journey as much as FoP too, at the end of the day physical setting still hits the senses in a way screens can't. I also never understand the criticism of it being short...it is not? I always feel like I'm in there for a good period and see a lot of things. Perhaps if you take in all the meticulous details there is a lot to see and it doesn't feel short at all.

Cosmic Rewind isn't revolutionary at all, same ride system was used in Universal Japan's Space Fantasy, and that one takes you through multiple rooms with different set piece of nebulae, stars etc, making it more interesting than Cosmic Rewind which is just twirling in one large room around one set piece.
DHS lacks connection. All it really needs is a way to thematically tie TSL and GE into the golden age of Hollywood/pseudo movie studio theming of the rest of the park. They need to sell it as you "entering the movies" whether it be a transition to galaxies edge by walking through a production set of star wars similar to star tours for example. Right now, Those 2 areas feel so juxtaposed to the rest of the park and it makes the theme of the park generic, even if everything is so well done.
I feel like DHS gets a lot of negativity more than it should simply for being the current IP dump land. But if judging just purely on rides line-up it really is a very fun park, more than MK. For non-Disney adults, its the park my friends have consistently enjoyed the most. I don't know how Disney is going to fix its theming, but I've stop thinking about it and just enjoy it for what it is.
However, I disagree that modern day IPs can't make a good long-term addition to the parks. Unfortunately, the domestic parks have hit a bad streak of these additions, but the international parks have proven you can develop great attractions for multiple generations.

I don't think there is any issue with IP infusion, it's the execution that matters. Most of the faults with recent IP rides is not the IP itself but the ride design. Even if they had done it without IP inclusion, the same issue will exist, and will be even less interesting without the known IP.

The attractions themselves isn't the issue. IMO the IP itself I feel won't have that nostalgia factor like older attractions do.

Another hot take, Disney sucks at making thrill rides. They should leave it for Universal and the regional parks. They don't have enough positive or negative G's to be good.

That is because you didn't grow up with the modern Disney IPs, but the current generation did. To them Disney is Moana/Frozen/Marvel, it will have nostalgia factor for them, and they will be the ones taking their kids to Disney in the future.

Disney's 'thrill rides' have the benefit of both thrill and theme, I don't think they are or intends to be the same creature as actual thrill rides. There is no point in putting in much theming for the actual thrill rides at Universal and regional parks because you are going too fast to see/appreciate them anyways. I very much enjoy Disney's 'thrill ride' more as a themed ride with a bit of speed so I'm not moving at the rate of a choo choo train, so there is a place for that.
 

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