My Last Trip was in 2018
Yeah, it seems like Disney went from emphasizing ROE (rules of engagement) to ROI (return on investment).
You are absolutely correct that they have always been corporate. However... up until the Eisner era, their business as far as the theme parks went was in creating new forms of entertainment experiences with an eye on quality, rather than capacity and synergy. The Disney parks gained the reputation they have based upon the pre-Eisner era. Walt's original impetus for wanting a park was that he wanted to provide a place where people could go as families that was the opposite of dirty and, often, shady amusement parks and carnivals. Was either Disneyland or MK perfect when they opened? Heavens no! They were laboratories for experimentation with entertainment. Walt was always eager to try new things and failure was almost more of a learning experience than success. He never shied away from eliminating or changing things that didn't work. The main difference between Disney of old and Disney of today is that, originally, the goal was to always strive to "plus" things in order to achieve something as close to perfection as possible. You know what? It worked. People LOVED the Disney parks and they developed a fanatical following all over the world.
Now, the goal is monetization and if something legitimately great happens, it's usually either by accident or because whomever was in charge of the project was able to figure out a way to let the skills and artistry of the Imagineers shine through whilst under tremendous pressure and, often, with a budget that is much smaller than would be desirable in order to fully realize the project.
Please don't misunderstand me. I truly believe that the folks at Imagineering are incredibly talented and, given the proper funds, time, and creative control, could likely create new attractions that stand shoulder to shoulder with the greats. The reality, though, is that the current corporate leadership do not provide an environment wherein quality is more important than a quick buck.
Had a thought this morning actually, it really wasn't pertaining about Disney but I think it may relate. When we were kids, everything was different. We perceived things much differently than adults. We saw greatness and had less understanding of the man behind the curtain so to speak. As we got older, we thought daily that things were better yesterday. Honestly, no matter how old we get, we will all at some point look at today and think of a better yesterday.
Maybe this same thing can be said for Disney. You have kids of today's time that will one day look back at the rides of today when they are much older and think how great they were after more changes have been made for the kids of that generation to come.
Think it is a human cycle. We are born. When we are adolescent, we can't wait for tomorrow. And then we end up missing yesterday.
There. There's my philosophical moment of the day.
Just curious, how often did you have to wait that long for attractions before the current FastPass+ system went online? To be fair, I haven't been to the parks nearly as often as a lot of folks on the boards, but the only time I can remember waiting that long was in Epcot the year it opened. Since it was the first brand new, totally different from MK and DL park, the opening of EPCOT Center was a real event. Other than that, I can probably count on one had the number of times I had to wait longer than 30 minutes for an attraction. Now, if you can get under a 30 minute wait without a FastPass (for anything that isn't a show) it's like winning the lottery. I really liked the old paper FastPass system as it still allowed for some spontaneity and didn't seem to back up the lines like the current system does. I do get that the crowds have become much larger, though, so no system of crowd control will be perfect. I'm realistic that huge crowds packed into spaces that rarely expand or add new attractions mean that the days of relaxing in the parks and riding everything as much as I want are gone, but I still don't see anything wrong with wishing that Disney would improve the current system and being sad that the "good old days" are gone. They were truly great times to go to Disney. It still is great, just not as great.However, as much as the new Fastpass system might annoy me in some ways, it did allow me to manage the trip to the point where my family never had to wait in line for more than 30 to 40 minutes for anything.
I really liked the old paper FastPass system as it still allowed for some spontaneity and didn't seem to back up the lines like the current system does. I do get that the crowds have become much larger, though, so no system of crowd control will be perfect.
While that's true, you didn't really need FastPasses except for the most popular of attractions. Honestly, I do so much walking when I'm in a park anyway, it never bothered me. It's a matter of walking a little longer on one day rather than sitting in front of a computer, months in advance, hoping you can get a pass for the time you want so that it will fit in with the touring plan you're meticulously planning.One thing I did hate about the old paper system was having to walk clear across to the other side of the park to pick up a ticket for a FastPass. We would then have to walk back across the park hours later to use it because inevitably you had moved on to a new section.
You're not kidding there. I didn't particularly love waking up at the crack of dawn to get the best Fastpass reservations.While that's true, you didn't really need FastPasses except for the most popular of attractions. Honestly, I do so much walking when I'm in a park anyway, it never bothered me. It's a matter of walking a little longer on one day rather than sitting in front of a computer, months in advance, hoping you can get a pass for the time you want so that it will fit in with the touring plan you're meticulously planning.
~You are quite right - it has lost its appeal. Disney parks profits doubled in the last 5 years and minimal investment. Lack lustre service, poor quality expensive products and bottles of water at extortionate prices. Best view of a Disney Park is in the rear view mirror.Fanboys will say I am wrong and I do not care;
I am sick of everybody just saying how great the place is.
After all my criticism why do I go ? WDW has got worse over the years, back when you had Magic Kingdom and EPCOT I really enjoyed the parks, I go now and then hoping rediscover past experiences.
- It is in Florida which means at least for me it is hard to get to and if you go in the summer do not complain when it reaches 95 degrees with 100% humanity and the daily afternoon storms
- The crowds are terrible and it gets worse every year. Main street USA looks like a crowd of people waiting for a rock concert, the lines for attractions after the first hour when people really pack in go to about an hour just about everywhere. The few attractions you can count on are the Carousel of Progress, Hall of Presidents and the Country Bear Jamboree "maybe the Haunted Mansion"
- The prices are out of control yet people still pack the place, over $100 just to get in, food you buy one of their terrible burgers, frozen fries, and coke maybe $15. They do have nice restaurants but unless you plan months in advance you will never get a meal and if you do plan get reservation you can spend $50 plus for one meal. The merchandise is also criminally priced, cheap golf shirt $50.
- Experiences Magic Kingdom, Main Street stores where you can get over priced junk, push through crowds to get to other lands. Epcot Future World has been dumbed down for example Test Track, what do you learn about Transportation? World Show Case the cast is from the host countries but do not be fooled, you go to the UK IT IS NOT LIKE REALLY GOING to the UK. Hollywood Studios I can do Rock and Roll Coaster like it and this board people are always complaining about Aerosmith, I do not kid myself when the Star Wars area expands like Avatar there maybe one attraction tops worth the hype and you will never get close to it. Animal Kingdom the Avatar Land like I said been there 3 times and I am too old and fat to run to the one worthy attraction, and I am not waiting over two hours to try it. Nothing else in Animal Kingdom does anything for me.
Why do I still visit the board ? I keep hoping to rediscover the magic the place was in the 80s and 90s
Will I go back maybe but I will not go out of my way, if I am going to Tampa Bay for a cruise maybe visit WDW, but I will never relive the 80s again. All I have is pictures and video.
Must be great in Never never landYou have some good points.
However, there is still some good old fashioned fun to be hard in WDW parks.
I have been to WDW parks more than 100 times - my parents started to take me when I was three. As an adult I kept coming back.
We literally tune out the crowds and cranky people. We talk to those who look like they are having fun in lines. We enjoy our little Disney bubble.
Because at the end of the day, let's be honest, there really is nothing like a WDW park.
Even with all the negatives and changes, it still is, and always will be, an amazing experience.
Try this before going on your next WDW trip. Try some meditative yoga, tuning out the exterior and focusing on what you want.
The last few trips we took, before out little one was born, we felt that the park was ours to experience.
We focused on so much more, and tuned almost EVERYONE out.
We are going back with our 10 month old this summer. We will only go to 1 or 2 parks this time but we have the same perception in mind.
We honestly can't wait to take our little guy. So much positive to experience - - - - -
I think this is why people still keep coming in droves.
Its a money making corporate that aims to squeeze every last dime out of the visitors with minimal reinvestment in the outdated parks in order to drive more and more shareholder return. The smiles have turned plastic and the service on a level with a Wendy's Hamburger joint. The corporation needs to take a long hard look at the parks.I mean, WDW has always been in Florida. The weather is one of the reasons it was built there. It allows it to be open year-round and, aside from the occasional hurricane and thunderstorm, the weather is fine for tourists. Yes, it gets hot and humid in the summers but, again, this has always been the case.
I agree that the massive crowds and astronomical price hikes are disappointing, especially since it isn't like paying all the extra money has translated to keeping the parks in tip-top condition.
The loss of the individual shops along Main Street has always bothered me, but that was Eisner's doing. Everything had to turn a profit. I really miss the Penny Arcade, the Magic Shop, the flower shop, and being able to actually watch movies in the Main Street Cinema. Alas, such is commerce.
I really get your point. It isn't as wonderful as it once was, but the world has changed and the Disney company has changed. At least those of us who experienced WDW at its peak can have our memories and enjoy the things that remain. I'm still looking forward to going back after 12 years. There are new things I want to experience and classic attractions to take me back to my childhood. It's not the perfect mix, but I'll take it over no WDW at all.
Its a money making corporate that aims to squeeze every last dime out of the visitors with minimal reinvestment in the outdated parks in order to drive more and more shareholder return. The smiles have turned plastic and the service on a level with a Wendy's Hamburger joint. The corporation needs to take a long hard look at the parks.
I blame the local AP holders.Its a money making corporate that aims to squeeze every last dime out of the visitors with minimal reinvestment in the outdated parks in order to drive more and more shareholder return. The smiles have turned plastic and the service on a level with a Wendy's Hamburger joint. The corporation needs to take a long hard look at the parks.
~You are quite right - it has lost its appeal. Disney parks profits doubled in the last 5 years and minimal investment. Lack lustre service, poor quality expensive products and bottles of water at extortionate prices. Best view of a Disney Park is in the rear view mirror.
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