Does the drive-in have a restroom? Are the trash cans inaccessible from the vehicles? If the answer to either of these questions is 'yes', then people do need to be able to get out of their cars. Therefore, the HC spot is appropriate.
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Wasted space from unused handicapped seating.
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No... No restrooms and the trash cans are all at window level by the exit so you can drive by them when you are leaving and drop your trash out your window without even having to open a door... So there is no reason for the HC spots beyond someone saw a formula that said for every X parking spots you need Y HC spots... even though they can't be justified by any stretch of the imagination.
rct247
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I'll say this as a general statement whenever you see show loaded with empty seats or even a ride vehicle with empty seats... It sometimes takes more time to make the effort to fill all the possible seats in a theater or ride vehicle that it is truly worth, especially if a show or ride has limited time for loading. Preshows can also complicate the matter. Do you let more people in who haven't seen part of the story to skip ahead to fill seats? While typically, we notice more empty seats in a wheelchair or disability viewing area, empty seats occur all the time and at time it is easier to keep trucking through than holding things up to fill to capacity.
Here are a few examples:
-The Walt Disney World Railroad has to run a strict time limit of loading at each station to ensure that trains (all independent of each other) keep moving around the track and don't have to back up which can be hard to apply the breaks on a train. Even if there are empty seat available, it is best to keep to the time in order to prevent any problems later. Carousel of Progress is similar in this nature as it has a time limit between each rotation.
-Attractions like Beauty & the Beast and Fantasmic! have set show times. Since it is unsure when guests with disabilities are going to arrive, the reserved areas must remain reserved until show time. At that point, the show much begin to stay on time with all shows following. Throttling guests to keep filling unused seats may delay that.
-Attractions like Haunted Mansion or Nemo, have ride vehicles back to back. Attempting to send a family to catch up with a vehicle before the end of the belt may result in a ride stop for everyone, best to let it go.
-Attractions like Dumbo or the Carousel may have empty spots, but by the time it takes to figure that out, grab a few extra people, get them situated and check any restraints if necessary, the ride probably could have completed a cycle.
-Last but not least, with preshows it depends if guests fill all the available space around them or if wheelchairs and ecvs need extra space. The only attraction I can think of that has bench seating with a preshow is Monsters Inc Laugh Floor. They have a target, but depending on if guests fill all the space properly can depend on if they filled the show well or if there was still room left for a few more. Wheelchairs or not.
Finally, some wheelchair viewing areas have seating split apart to accommodate a wheelchair or ECV. These split seats can also be hard to fill as you want to fill the next available guest, but you also want to make sure they don't' get split apart.
DManRightHere
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For a short show, nah, not worth the hassle. For a longer show, they should try to fill every seat.
Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, this is the attitude that creates the most problems with using handicapped seating for non-handicapped persons. Now if everyone had the opposite attitude of "Of course I'll stand if someone comes along in greater need" the policy of filling every seat based on demand would work. Unfortunately when they make company rules for the public they have to keep in mind the adage "People can be jerks".
I hate to see seats wasted too, but then I also do not like to see non-disabled folks hogging the handicap sections. It happens at my local theater a lot. The wheelchair & companion row is on the mezzanine. Actually some of the best seats in the house if you cannot do steps. There are about 2 spaces for every one companion seat. Sure I have a wheelchair so just need a spot, but I'd like to watch a movie with my nephews or sister sometimes. Nothing more frustrating when you show up before the previews begin and find all those companion seats filled but no wheelchairs or canes or any form of disability in sight. Just folks who were too late to get in the couple rows behind the wheelchair seating. So my family has to go hunting for seats elsewhere and we need to divide up up popcorn, drinks and candy. Makes you feel very isolated and left out. If only you could walk a few steps, you could sit together.
The rest of you guys hit on the head why we see empty seating most of the time. Attractions have to stick to a schedule to keep the crowds moving. It's why the disabled tends to get seated first. Give them extra time so they can be safely placed while the crowd behind them doesn't need as much time to find a seat.
On the Great Movie Ride, they send wheelies down to the very bottom. As long as the vehicle has not begun loading, these guests are ushered in to load in the back rows (row 12) first. They have to unload the return vehicle, pop open an extra door and wheelies navigate and park on the vehicle. By the time they do that, the other doors open and the non-disabled crowd filters in and sits down in front. They have to keep those vehicles moving so only have a few minutes to do this. That's why if the non-disabled crowd has started loading, wheelies will be directed to wait for the next vehicle.
Once the CMs made a mistake. They loaded me and my family in the back row and forgot to open the doors for the other guests. (It was a miscommunication between CMs.) Because the ride vehicle had to depart the station, we got sent along on a private ride. Just the 5 of us in the very back row and the CM host up front. I loved it. That was the first and last time I was able to hear and see the entire show without 11 rows of people in front of me.
I hate to see seats wasted too, but then I also do not like to see non-disabled folks hogging the handicap sections. It happens at my local theater a lot. The wheelchair & companion row is on the mezzanine. Actually some of the best seats in the house if you cannot do steps. There are about 2 spaces for every one companion seat. Sure I have a wheelchair so just need a spot, but I'd like to watch a movie with my nephews or sister sometimes. Nothing more frustrating when you show up before the previews begin and find all those companion seats filled but no wheelchairs or canes or any form of disability in sight. Just folks who were too late to get in the couple rows behind the wheelchair seating. So my family has to go hunting for seats elsewhere and we need to divide up up popcorn, drinks and candy. Makes you feel very isolated and left out. If only you could walk a few steps, you could sit together.
The rest of you guys hit on the head why we see empty seating most of the time. Attractions have to stick to a schedule to keep the crowds moving. It's why the disabled tends to get seated first. Give them extra time so they can be safely placed while the crowd behind them doesn't need as much time to find a seat.
On the Great Movie Ride, they send wheelies down to the very bottom. As long as the vehicle has not begun loading, these guests are ushered in to load in the back rows (row 12) first. They have to unload the return vehicle, pop open an extra door and wheelies navigate and park on the vehicle. By the time they do that, the other doors open and the non-disabled crowd filters in and sits down in front. They have to keep those vehicles moving so only have a few minutes to do this. That's why if the non-disabled crowd has started loading, wheelies will be directed to wait for the next vehicle.
Once the CMs made a mistake. They loaded me and my family in the back row and forgot to open the doors for the other guests. (It was a miscommunication between CMs.) Because the ride vehicle had to depart the station, we got sent along on a private ride. Just the 5 of us in the very back row and the CM host up front. I loved it. That was the first and last time I was able to hear and see the entire show without 11 rows of people in front of me.
The first time that I read through that post, I read it as "No, No. Restrooms and trash cans are all at window level..."
SkipperButler
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I have a feeling you've worked in operations before!
Please, allow me to interject something since I have a lifetime of experience with the dry, deadpan witticism. The humor from @xdan0920 's joke comes from the fact that someone with that attitude is a horrible person. Perhaps that helps even if the humor is missed (doesn't mean any of us are wrong or stupid, but we're all just wired differently). With some jokes, the use of an emoticon does help avoid misunderstandings, but with a joke of this type it also has the effect of making the joke less funny. For example, in another thread I claimed to have a lifelong case of worms for various and sundry reasons. Had, I, the worms poster indicated that I indeed did not have this affliction through use of an emoticon or just a note using small font, the humor would've been lost. Further, this doesn't imply that I think any less of you, my gentle readers, for not getting your chronic worms diagnosed at the doctor's all these many years. What it does mean is that we shouldn't get in a "you don't care about the handicapped argument" when, in fact, we are just different personality types.
Now, there are occasions when someone tries to pass something off as a joke, and it is clearly not a joke. Believe me, this is not one of them. Typically, I would just let a mis-interpreted joke lie (I am not going to write an essay about the lack of a monster in World Showcase lagoon name Worldy), but in this case @xdan0920 behaved perfectly by explaining himself due to the sensitive nature of the subject matter.
Now, there are occasions when someone tries to pass something off as a joke, and it is clearly not a joke. Believe me, this is not one of them. Typically, I would just let a mis-interpreted joke lie (I am not going to write an essay about the lack of a monster in World Showcase lagoon name Worldy), but in this case @xdan0920 behaved perfectly by explaining himself due to the sensitive nature of the subject matter.
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