pacostrano
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Seriously everytime I did that ride (before they change it) I was singing the song all day lol
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Was the OG Journey Into Imagination that great?
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EPCOT Explorer
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And we thank you.:lol:*Tip-toes right past this thread*
:drevil:
I remember you telling me that a MRS. Lee missed the old version, though....
:fork:
EPCOT hater!
Let him have it!:lol:
Lee
Adventurer
Nah...no hate.:fork:
EPCOT hater!
Just....less love than others.:lol:
Well sure....compared to the mess that is there now.
Through the fog of years, the original looks great....but would look dated and cheesy today. (IMHO, of course.)
EPCOT Explorer
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Well, of course. Anything that they brought back would look horrible by todays standards.
Hopefully, when and if they bring back the original "scope" of the ride, it's concurrent to the old rides feeling and mood, while the technology and infrastructure are all fantastically modern.
I wonder if they could make the turntable work in 2009 rather than 1983....:lookaroun
Figment632
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Well, of course. Anything that they brought back would look horrible by todays standards.
Hopefully, when and if they bring back the original "scope" of the ride, it's concurrent to the old rides feeling and mood, while the technology and infrastructure are all fantastically modern.
I wonder if they could make the turntable work in 2009 rather than 1983....:lookaroun
Heres to the trackless system from Pooh's Honey Hut being used!
EPCOT Explorer
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dweezil78
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Like I said earlier, I think the original was a timeless attraction that -- with the exception of the technology used -- would never appear dated, much like It's a Small World, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion will never appear dated. There were no topical issues that would ever stand out that I can remember.
If you saw this stuff for the first time today, would you think it was really that old? I suppose the cheesiness level is in the eye of the beholder -- it was a kids ride afterall.
If you saw this stuff for the first time today, would you think it was really that old? I suppose the cheesiness level is in the eye of the beholder -- it was a kids ride afterall.
juan
Well-Known Member
The reason I loved JII so much was because it was such a large part of my childhood memories.
As a kid, I loved WDW and the family made week-long trips once a year. There were only 2 parks open at that time and we literally spent almost every evening at JII. We would ride it over and over, head upstairs to the Image Works, and then back for more rides. It never got old.
You'll notice that the ride was such a big deal because a good portion of the Figment and Dreamfinder merchandise sold today is mostly to adults. Very few kids get the allure of Figment today mainly because there is such a big difference to what he used be.
Hopefully, someday soon children and families will once again be able to capture the magic and spirit of IMAGINATION.
As a kid, I loved WDW and the family made week-long trips once a year. There were only 2 parks open at that time and we literally spent almost every evening at JII. We would ride it over and over, head upstairs to the Image Works, and then back for more rides. It never got old.
You'll notice that the ride was such a big deal because a good portion of the Figment and Dreamfinder merchandise sold today is mostly to adults. Very few kids get the allure of Figment today mainly because there is such a big difference to what he used be.
Hopefully, someday soon children and families will once again be able to capture the magic and spirit of IMAGINATION.
EPCOT Explorer
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The only thing I find cheesy about that is the tech.Like I said earlier, I think the original was a timeless attraction that -- with the exception of the technology used -- would never appear dated, much like It's a Small World, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion will never appear dated. There were no topical issues that would ever stand out that I can remember.
If you saw this stuff for the first time today, would you think it was really that old? I suppose the cheesiness level is in the eye of the beholder -- it was a kids ride afterall.
It just needs to look modern.
The reason I loved JII so much was because it was such a large part of my childhood memories.
As a kid, I loved WDW and the family made week-long trips once a year. There were only 2 parks open at that time and we literally spent almost every evening at JII. We would ride it over and over, head upstairs to the Image Works, and then back for more rides. It never got old.
You'll notice that the ride was such a big deal because a good portion of the Figment and Dreamfinder merchandise sold today is mostly to adults. Very few kids get the allure of Figment today mainly because there is such a big difference to what he used be.
Hopefully, someday soon children and families will once again be able to capture the magic and spirit of IMAGINATION.
Well said, though it's many a toddler I see begging for a Figgy Plush after the ride.
JimboJones123
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My oldest daughter is weeks away from being the same age I was when I first rode the attraction.
I rode it today.
I felt nothing but anger, bitterness, and sadness. A Disney attraction should never CAUSE these feelings. They might cause meh, or apathy, or that sucks even, but not the three feelings that I had.
My children, and now an entire generation will have missed out on one of the most impactful things on my psycholigical development.
It was never the purple dragon, nor the fuzzy faced red haired guy...it was the tone of the entire pavillion.
Unlimited Potential.
However you wanted to use it.
It was yours to grasp.
The ride and post ride pavillion then helped you take your first baby steps into unlocking whatever you may want to unlock.
You could take YOUR picture. See what you created moments later. A nice smile. Picking your nose. A silly face. A scary face. Covering your face. It was up to you.
None of the original tone holds true at all.
The new message is that imagination is annoying, intrusive, and disrespectful.
If I were to say "shame on Disney" for one thing, this would be it.
The entire world is just a little less wonderful without 10,000-20,000 people a day being able to experience the tone and message of the original attraction. Powers that be, congratulations for contributing that kittle less wonderful.
I rode it today.
I felt nothing but anger, bitterness, and sadness. A Disney attraction should never CAUSE these feelings. They might cause meh, or apathy, or that sucks even, but not the three feelings that I had.
My children, and now an entire generation will have missed out on one of the most impactful things on my psycholigical development.
It was never the purple dragon, nor the fuzzy faced red haired guy...it was the tone of the entire pavillion.
Unlimited Potential.
However you wanted to use it.
It was yours to grasp.
The ride and post ride pavillion then helped you take your first baby steps into unlocking whatever you may want to unlock.
You could take YOUR picture. See what you created moments later. A nice smile. Picking your nose. A silly face. A scary face. Covering your face. It was up to you.
None of the original tone holds true at all.
The new message is that imagination is annoying, intrusive, and disrespectful.
If I were to say "shame on Disney" for one thing, this would be it.
The entire world is just a little less wonderful without 10,000-20,000 people a day being able to experience the tone and message of the original attraction. Powers that be, congratulations for contributing that kittle less wonderful.
vintageepcot
New Member
I went on the new version of journey into imagination once and will be once unless they bring back the original ride. Nothing beats Dream Finder. I think the new ride is just plain annoying. Look at some old videos of Horizons, Journey into Imagination and Spaceship Earth.
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
The only thing I find cheesy about that is the tech.
It just needs to look modern.
Well said, though it's many a toddler I see begging for a Figgy Plush after the ride.
Or the one I saw hopping up and down with his plush in almost in tears of joy waiting to go on today.
FigmentJedi
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The thing with the current ride is that it's less about Imagination being something that shouldn't be confined, and more about Figment calling out Eric Idle on the bullcrap that was the entire 2000 version.
That's why we need that new version. To get back to the old ride's story and aesthetic and not be connected to the historical meta-story you can pick out of all three versions beyond being the ending of it with Dreamfinder taking over again.
That's why we need that new version. To get back to the old ride's story and aesthetic and not be connected to the historical meta-story you can pick out of all three versions beyond being the ending of it with Dreamfinder taking over again.
vintageepcot
New Member
Your right but the hard truth is that none of that stuff matters anymore. The world is all about money and greed. No one there wants to take our breaths away anymore they just want to get buy and make something that holds the fort. I remember Epcot when it was loaded with features. Even walking to a ride you would see a hidden treasure, or something like future corps. The truth is epcot is empty. Money is everything no one wants anything heartwarming or those kind of attractions anymore because not to many people appreciate that stuff anymore. I wish I was just a little older so I can remember those old rides just a little better. I was 11 when I discovered Horizons and dream finder was gone. I missed year 2000 and came to Epcot to find my favorite rides were missing and I was exited because I haven't gone on them in a while. I was looking forward to visiting a ride that I used to overuse when I was little. I know most people and me complain that no one really had proper closure with the rides. No one knew that the last time they would see that ride was the last and that's that hurts the most.
JimboJones123
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The first three minutes of Storytime with Belle has a stronger message of Imagination than the current Imagination attraction.
Enchantâmes
Active Member
You worded that perfectly.
Future Guy
Active Member
As others have said, JII was maybe the only FW dark ride that was truly timeless, and would have only needed minor tweaks over the years to stay fresh. If and when a fourth rehab becomes a reality, Disney will probably have spent more money on the place trying to undo the damage of the first rehab (the purpose of which was to cut operating expenses) than they would have if they'd just left the frakking thing alone except for minor tweaks and upgrades over the years.
The ImageWorks, on the other hand, needed to change a lot more over the years than it has. A few things (the neon tunnel, the pin screens, and the stepping tones) could have remained unchanged, but most everything else in the original ImageWorks was based on technology that was cutting-edge in 1982 but was starting to look pretty dated by about 1990 (if not before). These days the place is just a commercial for Kodak, and the technology showcased there would be really amazing if this was 1998.
The real problem here (aside from the troll-like Accountanteers) seems to be Kodak. Their main product (camera film) is quickly becoming almost obsolete. The company's Wikipedia page says they're in the midst of "refocusing" on digital photograpy products, which sounds like corporate doublespeak for "desperately trying to stave off obsolescence." They just don't seem like a company that can afford to fund the kind of rehab that Imagination really needs. What would be nice is if Apple would take over the sponsorship, but I can't imagine Steve Jobs choosing to dump that much money into an EPCOT pavilion when his own Apple stores do a perfectly good job of showcasing his company's products.
The ImageWorks, on the other hand, needed to change a lot more over the years than it has. A few things (the neon tunnel, the pin screens, and the stepping tones) could have remained unchanged, but most everything else in the original ImageWorks was based on technology that was cutting-edge in 1982 but was starting to look pretty dated by about 1990 (if not before). These days the place is just a commercial for Kodak, and the technology showcased there would be really amazing if this was 1998.
The real problem here (aside from the troll-like Accountanteers) seems to be Kodak. Their main product (camera film) is quickly becoming almost obsolete. The company's Wikipedia page says they're in the midst of "refocusing" on digital photograpy products, which sounds like corporate doublespeak for "desperately trying to stave off obsolescence." They just don't seem like a company that can afford to fund the kind of rehab that Imagination really needs. What would be nice is if Apple would take over the sponsorship, but I can't imagine Steve Jobs choosing to dump that much money into an EPCOT pavilion when his own Apple stores do a perfectly good job of showcasing his company's products.
JimboJones123
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Sounds like a good way to introduce the iToy. Take some of the Leapfrog$$$
C&D
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The original was very good, and with the subsequent replacement, which was such a let down, it endeared the original that much more. The original worked, and worked well; maybe not to the highlights that some think it attained, yet it was special and would still, I think, be welcomed if it were re-instated.