Was Magic Kingdom's POTC damaged by the movie refurb?

[lazyboy97o]

Oh look, you're drawing out a progression of acts.

So now there is no scene of women being sold off as brides?

 

[jakeman]

So now there is no scene of women being sold off as brides?

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.

So what then is happening in the so-called "Auction Scene"?

 

[jakeman]

So what then is happening in the so-called "Auction Scene"?

An internet poster taking a theme park attraction way too seriously.

 

[lazyboy97o]

An internet poster taking a theme park attraction way too seriously.

Ah yes, the classic mock instead of answer because you've danced yourself into a corner. Yes, the Pirates were there to give out puppies and candy to all the towns people.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ah yes, the classic mock instead of answer because you've danced yourself into a corner. Yes, the Pirates were there to give out puppies and candy to all the towns people.

Seriously dude, I don't know why you keep responding. I've learned to just ignore conversations when people aren't seeing things. I suggest you do the same.

 

[jakeman]

Ah yes, the classic mock instead of answer because you've danced yourself into a corner. Yes, the Pirates were there to give out puppies and candy to all the towns people.

Well it was a mocking question now wasn't it?

What corner have I danced myself into? The one where I can still assert there is no rape occurring in the attraction and to assume so off stage is a morbid assumption not in the spirit of the ride? I don't consider that a corner, I consider that a rational interpretation of the scene in context.

EDIT: Of course you're entire argument is based on the bride auction being a sex crime and therefore off stage rape occurring. I'd like to seem some primary sourced historical documentation of that, but forgive me if I don't google "is a pirate buying a bride a sex crime".

 

[lazyboy97o]

Seriously dude, I don't know why you keep responding. I've learned to just ignore conversations when people aren't seeing things. I suggest you do the same.

I always have this hope that others are reading and weighing information, so they can be the ones to make interesting points in later conversations. Even when I'm going back and forth a lot, I'm usually very calm and laid back while posting. This just angers me and it is something I don't feel too bad being a broken record about. Buying a bride is all about legitimizing sexual assault, namely to avoid paying the family of the woman, who in such situations is the property of her family and thus considered to be the actual victims. While today the woman is more often properly acknowledged as the victim, the idea that marriage erases the possibility of sexual assault remains incredibly common in contemporary society.

And this gets back to why the Jack Sparrow changes were so damaging. Yes there was entertainment made of horrific activities, for whatever reasons we as a collective whole like to pretend to be the bad guy. It's like some sort of indulgence of the id that helps keep us functioning as social beings. Despite this we always sort of remind ourselves that such indulgences, while they seem fun, eventually end poorly. The film changes weave through a narrative that such actions are ultimately rewarding if you're a guy who looks good in eyeliner.

 

[ItlngrlBella]

I think they should totally PC-out the brides-for-sale thing and change it into a pirate-bachelor auction where the gold dubloons they raise goes to a global warming charity. They can have a big banner across the plaza explaining the whole thing.

Problem solved

Everyone's happy.

 

[xdan0920]

Seriously dude, I don't know why you keep responding. I've learned to just ignore conversations when people aren't seeing things. I suggest you do the same.

You, I could do with out. Your post adds nothing. And I'd rather not wade through your teenage nonsense. If you've learned to ignore conversations where you believe people aren't seeing things(as you see them, bc you are obviously the center of the universe) like this thread, then what exactly is the point of the above post?

 

[xdan0920]

I always have this hope that others are reading and weighing information, so they can be the ones to make interesting points in later conversations. Even when I'm going back and forth a lot, I'm usually very calm and laid back while posting. This just angers me and it is something I don't feel too bad being a broken record about. Buying a bride is all about legitimizing sexual assault, namely to avoid paying the family of the woman, who in such situations is the property of her family and thus considered to be the actual victims. While today the woman is more often properly acknowledged as the victim, the idea that marriage erases the possibility of sexual assault remains incredibly common in contemporary society.

And this gets back to why the Jack Sparrow changes were so damaging. Yes there was entertainment made of horrific activities, for whatever reasons we as a collective whole like to pretend to be the bad guy. It's like some sort of indulgence of the id that helps keep us functioning as social beings. Despite this we always sort of remind ourselves that such indulgences, while they seem fun, eventually end poorly. The film changes weave through a narrative that such actions are ultimately rewarding if you're a guy who looks good in eyeliner.

How is this relevant to the PotC attraction in Dis parks? My god man. You are going down a weird path, with a morbid ending. The ride isn't about rape. The scene isn't about rape. It's about men needing women, not to rape them. But to run households, cook clean, raise children. Things men didn't do back then. And even that is conjecture on my part. Because they are robots. Frozen in time in that particular moment. What happens in the future between our fictional pirates and their fictional brides is irrelevant, it's not happening in the attraction. It's in your head.

 

[jakeman]

I always have this hope that others are reading and weighing information, so they can be the ones to make interesting points in later conversations. Even when I'm going back and forth a lot, I'm usually very calm and laid back while posting. This just angers me and it is something I don't feel too bad being a broken record about. Buying a bride is all about legitimizing sexual assault, namely to avoid paying the family of the woman, who in such situations is the property of her family and thus considered to be the actual victims. While today the woman is more often properly acknowledged as the victim, the idea that marriage erases the possibility of sexual assault remains incredibly common in contemporary society.

And this gets back to why the Jack Sparrow changes were so damaging. Yes there was entertainment made of horrific activities, for whatever reasons we as a collective whole like to pretend to be the bad guy. It's like some sort of indulgence of the id that helps keep us functioning as social beings. Despite this we always sort of remind ourselves that such indulgences, while they seem fun, eventually end poorly. The film changes weave through a narrative that such actions are ultimately rewarding if you're a guy who looks good in eyeliner.

I've done this song and dance with you several times over several topics and you know what the one thing always missing from your arguments are? Primary sources. It's always just your unsupported opinion. Which in most cases (like this one) is fine, but your opinion is not authoritative simply because you hold it, just like mine is not authoritative.

You keep trotting out the same line regarding brides yet have produced no source stating that was the intent during the height of piracy or that was the intent of the show scene by the progenitors of the attraction. You may be making logical leaps from a historical perspective, but that doesn't mean those same leaps are valid within the spirit and tone of the attraction. PotC makes no claim to be a historical representation of a pirate ransacking just like It's a Small World is not a treatise on world peace, therefore it shouldn't be treated with the same critical eye a museum exhibit should get.

With that I'm out of this one as well. These are always entertaining.

 

[yedliW]

Wow has this taken a turn.. What does Johnny Depp have to do with bridal auctions?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think they should totally PC-out the brides-for-sale thing and change it into a pirate-bachelor auction where the gold dubloons they raise goes to a global warming charity. They can have a big banner across the plaza explaining the whole thing.

Problem solved

Everyone's happy.

Who is saying the scene should be changed? Acknowledging what is depicted is not at all related to demanding removal. The Auction is not the only human rights violation depicted, the scene before is a portrayal of torture, or is shoving someone under water more harmless fun?

 

[ItlngrlBella]

Who is saying the scene should be changed? Acknowledging what is depicted is not at all related to demanding removal. The Auction is not the only human rights violation depicted, the scene before is a portrayal of torture, or is shoving someone under water more harmless fun?

I think they should totally PC-out the brides-for-sale thing and change it into a pirate-bachelor auction where the gold dubloons they raise goes to a global warming charity. They can have a big banner across the plaza explaining the whole thing.

Problem solved

Everyone's happy.

@lazyboy97o : It's called sarcasm and humor.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

See, THIS is why we can't have nice things.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I heard from a bus driver that Horizons was really closed because it depicted the genocide of oranges.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I'm sure we can find something in every ride or show to get all bent about. Me personally being Bavarian German Eskimo, am highly offended by all the stereotypical depictions in the "It's a Small Stereotypical World" ride. Then at the end they have the unmitigated gall to whitewash everything with all those dolls from varying countries wearing white.

 

[ItlngrlBella]

I'm sure we can find something in every ride or show to get all bent about. Me personally being Bavarian German Eskimo, am highly offended by all the stereotypical depictions in the "It's a Small Stereotypical World" ride. Then at the end they have the unmitigated gall to whitewash everything with all those dolls from varying countries wearing white.

The Chinese knockoff ride is waaaaay less offensive but definitely waaaay more creepier. If you watch long enough there are super hero cameos too:

 

[MaryJaneP]

Change the spouse auction scene? Why not, Florida does allow same-sex marriages. Also, why not change history to reflect our modern sensitivities? Truth be damned.