Was Magic Kingdom's POTC damaged by the movie refurb?

[Victor Kelly]

He asked what was changed. I commented as you can plainly see about the women now chasing the pirates. I did not comment on the plot of the attraction other than the villagers protecting Sparrow, but allow me to do so now, since you cannot read or comprehend.

Original plot. Pirates being pirates, true to the theme song. They pillage, plunder, maraud and hijack. This is the part where you drink up, yo ho. This included pirates laying siege, chasing wenches, burning a town, torturing inhabitants, getting wasted on rum, auctioning off captured women and finally ending up in the treasure chamber.

1990's plot. The same except the wenches now chase the pirates.

Modern. You have a bumbling pirate that other pirates are looking for (Sparrow). You still have the remnants of the plot of the original as well as 1990's. But again Sparrow makes goofy appearances more for comedy than story. We have new special effects shoe horned into the attraction to parallel the movies tricking the uninitiated into believing the attraction came after the movie. You then have Sparrow finding the treasure. Eh.

Generally speaking from the many boards and fans I know, the original was best. We can see why they included the movie stuff in the attraction, and probably could enjoy it had it been done correctly instead of haphazardly added in. This is what happens when cost is the driving factor in decision making. POTC could be so much better, it has the potential, but many doubt it will ever happen.

How does that explanation of change of plot grab ya now?

 

[HMF]

I don't know if this was touched on here already in this thread, but the #1 reason the movie tie-in was added was said to be Guest demand.

Because of the 'POTC' films being so successful, a lot of new Guests were coming in droves to experience the Attraction and leaving disappointed that they did'nt see any of the characters from the movie.
So Disney felt it needed to add Jack Sparrow and other elements from the films to appease the tide of negative feedback they were getting from the thousands of disappointed kids and their parents who came into the Attraction expecting to experience something based on those films.

WDI was tasked with the difficult job of trying to fit in the new additons , while at the same time trying not to take away too much of the original's exsisting charm.
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The issue I feel is not that they simply added characters from the films into the ride. If the Jack AA's were simply placed into the attraction as they are now but without all the painful dialogue changes and nonsensical storyline I would not have an issue. It's not really "What they did" rather "How they did it".

 

[lazyboy97o]

He asked what was changed. I commented as you can plainly see about the women now chasing the pirates. I did not comment on the plot of the attraction other than the villagers protecting Sparrow, but allow me to do so now, since you cannot read or comprehend.

Original plot. Pirates being pirates, true to the theme song. They pillage, plunder, maraud and hijack. This is the part where you drink up, yo ho. This included pirates laying siege, chasing wenches, burning a town, torturing inhabitants, getting wasted on rum, auctioning off captured women and finally ending up in the treasure chamber.

1990's plot. The same except the wenches now chase the pirates.

Modern. You have a bumbling pirate that other pirates are looking for (Sparrow). You still have the remnants of the plot of the original as well as 1990's. But again Sparrow makes goofy appearances more for comedy than story. We have new special effects shoe horned into the attraction to parallel the movies tricking the uninitiated into believing the attraction came after the movie. You then have Sparrow finding the treasure. Eh.

Generally speaking from the many boards and fans I know, the original was best. We can see why they included the movie stuff in the attraction, and probably could enjoy it had it been done correctly instead of haphazardly added in. This is what happens when cost is the driving factor in decision making. POTC could be so much better, it has the potential, but many doubt it will ever happen.

How does that explanation of change of plot grab ya now?

I've only eer asked about how the 1990s changes altered the plot, which you too were unable to answer.

 

[matt9112]

No matter what one thinks about the AAs themselves... the overlay of the 'where is jack sparrow' plot line just convolutes and confuses the attraction. It's contrived and takes away from the reason the pirates were plundering the town to start with.

The WDW version certainly didn't get any love from these recent changes. I still prefer the old skull compared to the movie mist screen which apparently isn't all that consistent at MK anymore.

IN the first movie jack is in prison unrelated to the attack from the pearl...the attack is after the gold piece. Granted you could argue jack was involved with it touching the water...plundering a town or city during that era was something pirates did. It also was very likely other pirates were imprisoned before the empires allowed trials outside there countrys. (Predates mass hangings)

My only issue is the mermaid effect honestly because the pure darkness if that area was "scaierer" but a tie in to a blockbuster franchise made Sense. Athough I enjoyed the orginal ride I do not think the minor enhancements deter from the ride quality. And I enjoy the last scene more so.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

PotC has been negatively affected due to ALL of the changes following its introduction, but the two biggest are the Jack Sparrow reboot and the toning down/making more PC of the pirates. Even the underlying theme, "Yo Ho" is downplayed compared to the original. It's not the ride it originally was - and that makes me sad.

 

[ItlngrlBella]

Related read:

http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2010/3/26/walking-the-politically-correct-line.html

and for fun, if Disney PC'ed their movie titles

http://news.distractify.com/fun/politically-incorrect-disney-movie-names/

 

[Otterhead]

PotC has been negatively affected due to ALL of the changes following its introduction, but the two biggest are the Jack Sparrow reboot and the toning down/making more PC of the pirates. Even the underlying theme, "Yo Ho" is downplayed compared to the original. It's not the ride it originally was - and that makes me sad.

I'm OK with PotC being less rape-y than it was when it opened.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I'm OK with PotC being less rape-y than it was when it opened.

Yeah, we'll just leave the arson, pillaging and larceny. <eyeroll>

 

[Otterhead]

This is a ride that used to have the seriously icky line "Arrr, I be willing to share, I be!" during the Bride Auction scene. Sometimes a bit of editing over the years isn't a bad thing

 

[BoarderPhreak]

This is a ride that used to have the seriously icky line "Arrr, I be willing to share, I be!" during the Bride Auction scene. Sometimes a bit of editing over the years isn't a bad thing

And where do you get rape from that, exactly? One can read into many things and see what they want to see (or hear, in this case).

 

[ULPO46]

I believe POTC is ok… But in essence I believe that the original version should have remained in tact. As others have said the Yo Ho theme has been downplayed and i wish the original attraction remained as it once was. Thank god the Haunted Mansion Film wasn't such a big success, or the ride would have been made to match the movie.

 

[Otterhead]

And where do you get rape from that, exactly?

I didn't say I did, actually. What I get is a pirate bidding to buy a woman who he's offering to share around so everyone who wants to can have sex with her. Maybe he's showing his Disney Side™?

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I didn't say I did, actually. What I get is a pirate bidding to buy a woman who he's offering to share around so everyone who wants to can have sex with her. Maybe he's showing his Disney Side™?

Or maybe she'll cook and clean?

 

[Otterhead]

Or maybe she'll cook and clean?

Ah, that's why the pirates are buying brides and chasing them through town... so they can have maids!

The funniest refurb was when they put cooked chickens in the hands of the women being chased. The pirates didn't want to rape, they just wanted a hot dinner!

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I think Disney saw the movie refurb as a great opportunity to redo various problematic dialogue. Look at that scene where "pooped pirate" is talking about food. Tie him into the story and eliminate a really stupid creative change from the 90s. Another curious thing is that they not only replaced the voices of the conquistadors in the fortress to sound cooler and less stereotypical, they also removed the dialogue where the pirate dunking Carlos kinda mockingly refers to him as "senor". I don't know, it seemed like they just kinda tidied it up a bit, subtly made it more and more politically correct. I'm shocked that the silly "don't be cheekin'!" dialogue is still in, as well as the entire auction scene.

 

[xdan0920]

Ah, that's why the pirates are buying brides and chasing them through town... so they can have maids!

The funniest refurb was when they put cooked chickens in the hands of the women being chased. The pirates didn't want to rape, they just wanted a hot dinner!

You've lost the plot, friend.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And where do you get rape from that, exactly? One can read into many things and see what they want to see (or hear, in this case).

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We pillage plunder, we rifle and loot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.

In the context of kidnapping, "to ravage" can clearly have a sexual connotation.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
We pillage plunder, we rifle and loot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.


In the context of kidnapping, "to ravage" can clearly have a sexual connotation.

 

[Otterhead]

You've lost the plot, friend.

Um, ok! Are you seriously saying that there's no sexual connotation at all to pirates chasing women around town, auctioning women ("we wants the red'ead!"), and offering to share their brides?

 

[xdan0920]

Um, ok! Are you seriously saying that there's no sexual connotation at all to pirates chasing women around town, auctioning women ("we wants the red'ead!"), and offering to share their brides?

I'm saying, inferring rape from a show scene in a Disney ride is psychotic.