News Walt Disney Company plans to spend $17 billion at Walt Disney World over the next ten years

[James Alucobond]

No one is retaliating against or impeding Disney’s right to do business in Florida. The florida government is actually doing the opposite by making it more even playing field. Disney was given some very unfair perks in the 1960s and it flew under the radar for decades. It’s their own fault that they brought attention to these perks, by pushing California politics on Florida. Should’ve kept their head down.

Please be specific about how they are leveling the playing field. Why are they not enacting similar changes in other special districts that have the same powers?

As to your assertion that there is no retaliation and that this is what the people want, let’s say you live in a small red county in a state where the governor is a Democrat. You and your neighbors hold a rally in opposition to one of the governor’s new policies that you think will be damaging to residents of your county. Shortly thereafter, the governor states that you and others in your county are ideologically dangerous and that she will stop you. She subsequently passes legislation that removes your mayor and other civil servants, replacing them with her cronies. She uses these proxies, who have no interest in the well-being of your county or its residents, to raise your taxes and pursue policies that will seize and damage your property, all while gloating to the media at how effectively she has punished you for your thought crime. Seems unfair, but oh well. Will of the people, right?

 

[WDWFanRay]

There’s no retaliation?

You may call it retaliation. Others call it righting some wrongs that have been going on since the 60’s. Why do you think that the Disney company used multiple shill company names to buy up the land for Disney World? One reason for this was because there were many in Florida who would not have sold their land to Disney. By using shill companies, Disney was able to get the land they wanted at a good discount. Don’t act like Disney is righteous in all of this. There are decades of shenanigans going on with both sides.

 

[Jrb1979]

It’s the few weeks between end of spring break and the beginning of summer break. Hardly indicative of anything else. The hand wringing and gnashing of teeth of some people….

Maybe not. All these discounts, the return of AP sales and the return of the dining plan for next year says otherwise.

 

[BlakeW39]

"But $17bn is so much money and Disney is gonna build a bunch of lands and rides and shows and you're all just pessimists"

 

[Chi84]

You may call it retaliation. Others call it righting some wrongs that have been going on since the 60’s. Why do you think that the Disney company used multiple shill company names to buy up the land for Disney World? One reason for this was because there were many in Florida who would not have sold their land to Disney. By using shill companies, Disney was able to get the land they wanted. Don’t act like Disney is righteous in all of this. There are decades of shenanigans going on with both sides.

I thought that was a common business practice? It’s illegal?

 

[WDWFanRay]

I thought that was a common business practice? It’s illegal?

Is what illegal? Buying up land using secret pseudo named shill companies? Is cancelling decades old unfair perks illegal?

 

[flynnibus]

You may call it retaliation. Others call it righting some wrongs that have been going on since the 60’s. Why do you think that the Disney company used multiple shill company names to buy up the land for Disney World? One reason for this was because there were many in Florida who would not have sold their land to Disney.

Buhaha

This is amazing.

 

[WDWFanRay]

Buhaha

This is amazing

It is fascinating to read about all of the shenanigans that went on (on both sides) in the 60’s and 70’s. I’m surprised Disney got away with it for so long.

 

[Chi84]

Is what illegal? Buying up land using secret pseudo named shill companies? Is cancelling decades old unfair perks illegal?

I don’t think either one - standing alone - is illegal. But actions that are otherwise legal can result in an illegal violation of the first amendment. All of this, including in-depth analysis of RCID and how and why it came about, had been hashed out in the RCID thread.

 

[SamusAranX]

It is fascinating to read about all of the shenanigans that went on (on both sides) in the 60’s and 70’s. I’m surprised Disney got away with it for so long.

I don’t think it’s as “dirty” as you make it sound but yes, Disney is a corporate conglomerate. There will always be some silly shenanigans, some more damaging than others.

That said I hate politics and the garbage surrounding it, so the sooner this “fight” is over the better. Sick of hearing about it.

 

[James Alucobond]

It is fascinating to read about all of the shenanigans that went on (on both sides) in the 60’s and 70’s. I’m surprised Disney got away with it for so long.

As stated above, this probably belongs in the other thread, but if you opt to head over there, I would suggest being specific about what illegal actions happened behind the scenes and how what is being done now actually rectifies anything you might dream up. You've only presented vague insinuations of impropriety when what actually happened was likely just the typical machinations and intrigue of wheeling-and-dealing businessmen.

 

[WDWFanRay]

I don’t think either one - standing alone - is illegal. But actions that are otherwise legal can result in an illegal violation of the first amendment. All of this, including in-depth analysis of RCID and how and why it came about, had been hashed out in the RCID thread.

Well, obviously we’ll never agree on this, so we can agree to disagree.

 

[WDWFanRay]

I would suggest being specific about what illegal actions happened behind the scenes

You used the word “illegal” not me. I gave many examples of the shenanigans that Disney played to get the land that Disney World sits on.

 

[James Alucobond]

If nothing was done illegally, I fail to see why legal action is warranted. The punishment you relish does not fit the (lack of) crime.

 

[Chi84]

Well, obviously we’ll never agree on this, so we can agree to disagree.

I’m fine with disagreeing, but many of the assertions here are fact-based and therefore correct or incorrect. You can go back and read articles from before this started that explain RCID with citations to facts and original sources. Not everything is a matter of opinion.

I hate to direct someone to a lengthy thread, but there is a really good article if you’re interested.

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1123&context=lr

 

[flynnibus]

You may call it retaliation. Others call it righting some wrongs that have been going on since the 60’s. Why do you think that the Disney company used multiple shill company names to buy up the land for Disney World? One reason for this was because there were many in Florida who would not have sold their land to Disney. By using shill companies, Disney was able to get the land they wanted at a good discount. Don’t act like Disney is righteous in all of this. There are decades of shenanigans going on with both sides.

Ok, Tell me you're parroting stuff you heard on youtube without actually telling me you're just parroting stuff you heard...

Why do you think that the Disney company used multiple shill company names to buy up the land for Disney World?

By using shill companies, Disney was able to get the land they wanted at a good discount

It's SHELL companies - not shill companies. And no they didn't use them because 'they wanted at a good discount' or people didn't want to sell to Disney. It's entirely the OPPOSITE - It's done to avoid creating speculatory buying and to avoid a huge inflation of prices. Not drive prices down. It's to prevent artificial INFLATION of prices

If people knew Disney wanted this particular area of land, people would 1) Demand a much higher price because they know their seller really needs it, not just wants it 2) They know their buyer is super rich so they would demand more out of them and 3) Because if people knew Disney needed the land, speculators would try to buy it first, then force a much higher price out of Disney

There is not unrighteous' in any of this. It's what everyone does when you don't want to artificially drive up prices. By hiding the true end-game, Disney paid what was market prices for the area, instead of what the prices would be AFTER Disney was there.

Whatever you are watching to learn stuff... you really need to stop.

 

[flynnibus]

I thought that was a common business practice? It’s illegal?

It should be illegal for people to program these people with these kinds of lies...

 

[WDWFanRay]

It's SHELL companies - not shill companies.

No, it’s SHILL companies. The definition of a Shill Company is a company that publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing their actual close relationship with said person or organization. Disney created many Shill companies (or front companies) to buy land without it getting out that they were the real purchasers. I know, you feel embarrassed. I would, too.

 

[UNCgolf]

No, it’s SHILL companies. The definition of a Shill Company is a company that publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing their actual close relationship with said person or organization. Disney created many Shill companies (or front companies) to buy land without it getting out that they were the real purchasers. I know, you feel embarrassed. I would, too.

Putting aside that you seem to have conflated shell companies and corporate shills into one entity, this still doesn't make sense.

How exactly were those companies giving credibility to Disney? No one was selling land to them while thinking, "Huh, this makes me like Disney more!"

 

[celluloid]

No, it’s SHILL companies. The definition of a Shill Company is a company that publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing their actual close relationship with said person or organization. Disney created many Shill companies (or front companies) to buy land without it getting out that they were the real purchasers. I know, you feel embarrassed. I would, too.

I can't believe someone tried to say Shill was shell.