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Verdict is in! Monorail expansion is $100 million per mile

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Disney, as a company, makes their money through us customers. WDW, as a company subsidiary, makes their money by selling tickets, selling merchandise and food, and booking hotel rooms and selling time shares. They would not make that money if they didn't have us. They have us as customers because they are selling something we like. Without us, they would have no money. If they get an attitude that they can sell us anything, regardless of quality or creativity, should we remain faithful customers, especially if Universal is willing to step up to the plate?
Want to know why they have that attitude? It's because they are still taking in huge amounts of money while not doing everything that just a few people might want. No one, except a few obsessed fans would ever go to WDW because they have an extended monorail. That is just but a small portion of what is offered. It might have been a draw in 1972, it is just one of the things in WDW now. It has no pull on it's own.

And like any other company, they cannot just spend money, even if they appear to have it, wildly on things that create no measurable return. If they did then before long, they would spend that huge amount of money and there will be no monorails at all along with no theme park. We fail to see just how quickly that could go south with unjustified spending. You want to keep Monorails then push them to upgrade the fleet of trains instead of constantly living in the fantasy world that more Monorail tracks would lead to more money. It will not.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Not to nitpick with you, but I'm sure many people on these boards actually are shareholders.....myself included. Not that I own enough to make a voting difference, but I do care about how they spend the money. :) ;)
I included shareholders in my post, as you can see. That means that you should care about how much money they spend and you should equally care about what they spend it on. If spending money on something will not enhance the worth of your shares and you don't care about that part of it, then you are not the shareholders that I am referring to, you just want to hold shares of stock for bragging rights and not because of its investment value. Many people have their share certificates framed and on the wall in their den. They do not speak for the serious investor whose primary reason for owning DIS is for a positive increase in value. Those are the ones that they MUST cater too, because they are serious owners of the company that we want to continue to frequent. Without them there is no WDW. We as individual cannot make up the difference no matter how much we might want to ride the trains.
 

Progress.City

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
No, it is really not.

Now how many threads are needed about monorail expansion is something that can be quantified.

That need holds firm at one.
This is not a thread about WDW monorail expansion. This is a thread about Las Vegas monorail expansion and how it could relate with the WDW system. The new news is the fact that a system of derived technology could be expanding.
 
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Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
This is not a.thread about WDW monorail expansion. This is a thread about Las Vegas monorail expansion and how it could relate with the WDW system. The new news is the fact that a system of derived technology could be expanding.
All of which would fit just fine in a single monorail expansion thread. Hell, at least just put it in one of the many monorail threads you yourself have started.
 

Progress.City

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Want to know why they have that attitude? It's because they are still taking in huge amounts of money while not doing everything that just a few people might want. No one, except a few obsessed fans would ever go to WDW because they have an extended monorail. That is just but a small portion of what is offered. It might have been a draw in 1972, it is just one of the things in WDW now. It has no pull on it's own.

And like any other company, they cannot just spend money, even if they appear to have it, wildly on things that create no measurable return. If they did then before long, they would spend that huge amount of money and there will be no monorails at all along with no theme park. We fail to see just how quickly that could go south with unjustified spending. You want to keep Monorails then push them to upgrade the fleet of trains instead of constantly living in the fantasy world that more Monorail tracks would lead to more money. It will not.
You are so wrong if you think that those masses will continue to choose WDW over USO after those new parks are built, the current two are refreshed, and all four are fully connected. If WDW only has Avatar and Star Wars new to offer, those two new things will just about save the company from complete loss from customers choosing USO over WDW.
 
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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
You are so wrong if you think that those masses will continue to choose WDW over USO after those new parks are built, the current two are refreshed, and all four are fully connected. If WDW only has Avatar and Star Wars new to offer, those two new things will just about safe the company from complete loss from customers choosing USO over WDW.
We'll see. However, even though they aren't connected in the way you would like to see it, it is indeed connected and it covers far more area the UNI will ever be able to obtain. It would make no difference with or without a Monorail connection. Now if Disney hadn't finally pulled their head out of their posteriors and have recently gone wild with spending, then I might agree, but, not that a Monorail extension would make an iota of difference.

BTW, when did UNI announce it was going to have 4 parks. Please don't include the water park because Disney is already two up on them, so if you count that, then Disney already has 6 parks. In fact, I don't remember them even announcing a third park.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
AMT, the company that is managing the construction of an elevated light rail system that will go from OIA to the OCCC tweeted that they made Universal an offer. When someone pressed for details, AMT responded that they are just one of the companies that have made offers and that Comcast is shopping around.
Comcast have been shopping - and looking at different styles of system, not just light rail - for a few years now.
 

Progress.City

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
We'll see. However, even though they aren't connected in the way you would like to see it, it is indeed connected and it covers far more area the UNI will ever be able to obtain. It would make no difference with or without a Monorail connection. Now if Disney hadn't finally pulled their head out of their posteriors and have recently gone wild with spending, then I might agree, but, not that a Monorail extension would make an iota of difference.

BTW, when did UNI announce it was going to have 4 parks. Please don't include the water park because Disney is already two up on them, so if you count that, then Disney already has 6 parks. In fact, I don't remember them even announcing a third park.
It hasn't yet, but they have bought the land to do so. It might be just one new park, but there's land for two new ones. It is zoned for theme parks.

I'm not counting the water parks. They haven't said what they will do yet with Wet and Wild except to demolish it. That property lies between the original property and the new 475 acres (which is located just north of Sea World and ajacent to the OCCC). The Universal parcels are scattered and disconnected along Universal Drive, which leaves some to assume that there's still more land to buy. Comcast has not made any announcements concerning the new land, other than a vague hint during a shareholder's conference call. Again, the reason for this is because there could be more land they haven't closed on yet.

I've said millions of times that I do not care if WDW expands its monorail system or not. I just want to see them build something that we all would expect from Disney.

Thank you @marni1971 for the input!
 
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Progress.City

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Monorail has always been an uphill battle at WDW. I remember a story that the company which designed the Contemporary was less than exited about that "carnival ride" Disney planned on running through it.
 

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