venting about something I saw/heard yesterday

[mkt]

Originally posted by barnum42
I think Tenchu has made some great replies on the subject of the “saved in war” comments, so I feel no need to add to that.

they were said merely to give a hint as to the country in question... not because I agree. This was done because..

A- most posters reading this are american
B- most americans have that view of the country in question.

Personally, I don't agree one bit with that statement, but I said it since I felt it would give a clue as to the country in question (which has since caused me to be bombarded with PM's and IM's asking me if it's another country)

 

[tenchu]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by JBSLJames
Some times I wish America would stop being the World's policeman. Wonder how things would have turned out. I imagine that Europe would be speaking German.

I'm very sorry to hear about your father, and I hold the utmost respect for anyone who was willing to fight but...

The comment about europe speaking german now if it weren't for america is exactly the sort of comment that turns people against you.

I know how much america's eventual entry to WWII helped, but perhaps if america had joined in earlier, as some of the other allies, such as canada, australia and new zealand did, then the war would have been very different indeed.

I realise this is all in the past now though, and things would perhaps be different were there to be another war.

Would the war in Iraq have gone the same had Britain desided to bury it's head in the sand?

 

[GaryT977]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by tenchu
The comment about europe speaking german now if it weren't for america is exactly the sort of comment that turns people against you.

It's also a line spoken by Otto in 'A Fish Called Wanda', which I think illustrates its' utter silliness.

Would the war in Iraq have gone the same had Britain desided to bury it's head in the sand?

Yup. If the US had gone in alone, the results would have been exactly the same, IMHO.

BTW - Am I the only one who's a little tired of all the little car flags? Who's going to see them overseas anyway?

 

[RogueHabit]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by JBSLJames
Some times I wish America would stop being the World's policeman. Wonder how things would have turned out. I imagine that Europe would be speaking German.

This kind of statement is both inflamatory and unwarranted and I, for one, am sick of hearing about how the gold ol' boys of the USA bailed everyone else out of WWII? No one, I repeat, NO ONE, can say how WWII would have turned out if it had been played differently because it never happened that way.

As someone pointed out, the USA under the current administration has lost worldwide popularity. It is unfortunate, but I would lay the blame solidly at the door of Mr. Bush. Prior to his entering the Whitehouse the world wide opinion of the USA was much, much higher.

But with all that said, I do agree with the original sentiment expressed. Saying such a thing about another countries traditions, when a guest in that country, is a deplorable thing to do. The flag of any nation is something for the citizens of that nation to be proud of.

 

[JBSLJames]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by GaryT977
It's also a line spoken by Otto in 'A Fish Called Wanda', which I think illustrates its' utter silliness.

I'm glad someone else new from where I issued the quote :lookaroun K K K Ken. Great movie !!

And Tench, thanks for the comment about my father. Luckily he served between Koria and Vietnam. But seriously, I do, at times, wish America would let everyone fend for themselves.

 

[mkt]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by Catch 22
But with all that said, I do agree with the original sentiment expressed. Saying such a thing about another countries traditions, when a guest in that country, is a deplorable thing to do. The flag of any nation is something for the citizens of that nation to be proud of.

thank you.

 

[barnum42]

Originally posted by mkt
they were said merely to give a hint as to the country in question... not because I agree. This was done because..

A- most posters reading this are american
B- most americans have that view of the country in question.

Personally, I don't agree one bit with that statement, but I said it since I felt it would give a clue as to the country in question (which has since caused me to be bombarded with PM's and IM's asking me if it's another country)

If point B is true then that is a crying shame. Hollywood has a lot to answer for.

 

[mkt]

Originally posted by barnum42
If point B is true then that is a crying shame. Hollywood has a lot to answer for.

let me add to that...

most americans that know that reference would agree with it... thankfully, most have never heard of that reference.

 

[barnum42]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by JBSLJames
But seriously, I do, at times, wish America would let everyone fend for themselves.

They tried that and ended up with Pearl Harbour.

 

[Shaman]

If I may...(and I'll make this slightly political post short)....

The United States is the most powerful country in the world, however in an age of growing globalization, that power will diminish if arrogance and ignorance dictate its foreign policy. If we truly value our traditions and principles, we have to respect other nations and their views.

One of the major reasons that Americans are negatively viewed is because of our hypocrisy on the issue of democracy. Our Bill of Rights one of the keystones of American democracy, expresses what we stand for (including freedom of speech), yet we criticize other nations for voicing their opinions and for not supporting us...this could be seen today. (I shall not venture onto the issue of patriotism)....

The original post exemplifies the lack of respect people have for each other and other countries and their traditions. Respect is the root of any lasting peace, at least thats what I think. And in the end PEACE is better than WAR (even if special interests may dictate otherwise).

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On a different note, I wonder if people even realize that they have the whole flag ceremony thing at MK....

 

[barnum42]

Originally posted by objr
On a different note, I wonder if people even realize that they have the whole flag ceremony thing at MK....

It is mentioned in the Guidemap (I have a copy in my desk)

"Join us as the Walt Disney World Magic Kingdom Security Color Guard conducts our daily Flag Retreat Ceremony".

Plus a note to puck up the Times Guide so you know when it is.

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by barnum42
It is mentioned in the Guidemap (I have a copy in my desk)

"Join us as the Walt Disney World Magic Kingdom Security Color Guard conducts our daily Flag Retreat Ceremony".

Plus a note to puck up the Times Guide so you know when it is.

Yea I know but I wonder if people even bother seeing the ceremony....when I saw it...there weren't too many...a big crowd...but nothing like for WISHES of ILLUMINATIONS....

:lookaroun

 

[JBSLJames]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by barnum42
They tried that and ended up with Pearl Harbour.

That being said, we take care of business there not elsewhere. We should have just taken on Japan back in 1941 and let chips fall where they may in Europe.

 

[artvandelay]

That being said, we take care of business there not elsewhere. We should have just taken on Japan back in 1941 and let chips fall where they may in Europe

On December 9, 1941, Germany declared war on the United States. The Germans, prior to Pearl Harbor, had been sinking American merchant vessels that were running supplies to the British. There was no avoiding the war in Europe. Plenty of Americans tried to do it, hoping it wouldn't affect us.

 

[Woody13]

Eeyore Said!

Political issues

I'm asking forum members to please refrain from posting topics of a political nature. Yes this may be chit chat, but overall it is a forum dedicated to the discussion of Walt Disney World. Political debates are best left to political discussion boards.

Thank you


Now, let's get back to telling Roy how to retire gracefully!

 

[DMC-12]

Re: Eeyore Said!

Originally posted by Woody13
Now, let's get back to telling Roy how to retire gracefully!

LMAO... :lol: If Grizz reads that, he will have a stroke! :lol:

 

[Woody13]

Re: Re: Eeyore Said!

Originally posted by DMC-12
LMAO... :lol: If Grizz reads that, he will have a stroke! :lol:

No, Grizz wrote me off as a Troll a long time ago! :lol: He doesn't concern himself very much with outside opinions.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by JBSLJames
For someone who died fighting for Freedom both here and abroad, the Flag is more than a "Nice looking bit of cloth". As the son of a veteran, the flag we received after my father died 2 years ago is one of the most prized possesions in our house.

The death of any serviceman is a tragedy and your families loss is something that is not alien to me, but it has very little to do with my post. I am terribly sorry you were unable to see the humour in my post. However as a veteran myself (not a word we are comfortable to use here) I feel no shame for what ive written, if you wish to argue that the flag is not attractive or made from material then carry on. If what you are saying is that in your opinion that the flag is something more than that then perhaps you should read my post with a little more clarity. You will clearly see that at that point I was discussing the aesthetic quality of the flag, if this offends you I suggest you speak to Mr Hillfinger for depicting it as a fashion item. I was highlighting the irony in that many of those who espouse anti us views are simultaneously courting the culture.

If you will read my post again you will see that I was clearly stating some of the reasons why foreign nationals are painted a perception of the US and its citizens, and that perhaps your understanding of life outside the US is likewise limited because of the media coverage of such things.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by BRER STITCH
The whole point is how silly it is that those words were ever even said outloud....

"about time they take that stupid flag down."

Where in the course of your life would you ever feel the need to form that expression -- about ANYTHING???


:brick:

Well around here its said every Febuary about the xmas street decorations still being up.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few thoughts!

Originally posted by JBSLJames
Some times I wish America would stop being the World's policeman. Wonder how things would have turned out. I imagine that Europe would be speaking German.

I can think of quite a few Canadian and British serviceman who would share that opinion. But I think you should stop watching Hollywood movies and read some history books before you voice any more informed opinion.