Value/deluxe Resorts opinion?

Skylinecar1982

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Does anyone else think the values are a waste of money? With the only benefit for me being X-tra Magic Hours. Which is something you can get at any disney resort.

I have stayed at ASMusic and Pop and think they are nothing more then dressed up supersize motels. I have had the privilege of having a travel agent for a mother and have stayed at countless hotels. 1 star to 5 star. So what I am saying is I based this off of all of my experience.

I think they would be more a value if the price range was $65-90 a night including taxes.

I have also stayed at a Savannah View room in AKL and don't believe it is worth $360 a night. I got a annual pass discount and paid $210 a night that was ok but off disney property that would get me a hell of a lot more. Shouldn't I feel like I get more with Disney?
 

disneyfreak174

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I come from a family of 7 that loves wdw we have been a ton, but two rooms anywhere are expensive, I find it slightly funny that no one has mentioned the best kept secret at disney IMHO...The fort wilderness campground. it is one of the originals and you can watch the fireworks from your site for 49$ a night. then again camping isn't for everyone. they do have a free campfire show and all sorts of extra activities.

I stayed at the allstars twice and I kinda agree with the ghetto comment mostly because that is where high school groups go because it is cheap(I was one such group) I had a major problem with the service and the bathrooms were really tiny, and transportation is a night mare mostly because I think they are so far away from everything but BB. luckily that was enough to convince my wfie to spring for POFQ this next time and I am looking forward to it.
 
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slappy magoo

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High compared...to what, though? As myself and others have pointed out, a lot of this depends on where you come from. My local, suburban Econolodge (which has less services than even a Disney value resort) costs more per night than Pop Century.

Your "moneys worth" is always going to be subjective. I think it's insane people pay $5-6 for a cup of coffee at a Starbucks, yet other people think I'm daffy because I am addicted to buying TV-DVDs for $50/whack. I don't get the value out of a $5 cup of coffee (can't stand coffee to begin with...), and others don't think watching reruns on DVD is a value ($2 an episode in perfect quality makes it a bargain to me). It's all about personal experience, wants, needs, and choice.

I find the higher priced hotels at WDW too much for me. Personally, I spend literally minutes a day in the room that I am not sleeping or showering. Sure, it would be nice to stay at a Monorail resort more often just for the fun of it, but paying for anything more than a clean room and a shower is overkill for my purposes most of the time. But for others, they get a value out of it I don't (or they have more disposable income than I) and it works for them.

Base prices for staying on-property, though, really aren't that high unless you really are considering the $35 a night Motel 6 deals you get in Orlando because the local off-site market isn't nearly what it used to be. Most people I know that take "fly away" vacations (i.e. getting on a plane and going somewhere) are shocked when I tell them how cheap they can stay at Disney. Compared to most other tourist destinations there are many more price options available.

It doesn't sound like you are finding on-site a deal. Unless you are going to stay at the aforementioned $35/night places (which actually I do sometimes, depending on my budget and needs), you are going to be hard pressed to find that convenience anywhere else. It is true Disney is so booked all the time they could charge more and get away with it, but really when you compare vacation to vacation WDW is really not in the "overpriced" category for a populated east-coast tourist destination. You pay more at Fenway park for a dog and soda than you do at WDW, and you can't get a closet to sleep in in a major city for under $150/night. Travel is expensive everywhere.

AEfx


And because you have even more posts than I do, allow me to say, excellent post! You really nailed it!

Here's an example of an expense I can't justify (I'm with you on the anti-coffee, pro-DVD season sets, BTW): tickets for concerts & theater. I like going to concerts in a club or theater, but there are very few bands I like enough to warrant paying the ridiculous sums of money necessary to see them in a stadium. It's cyclical, bands and agents and promoters see what scalpers and ticket agents get for tickets, they raise their prices accordingly, scalpers and ticket agents raise THEIR prices exponentially, people are still stupid enough to pay those prices, so the promoters raise their prices again, and so on.

Seeing professional theater is more of a value for me, though to be sure, I don't often opt for orchestra seats. Mezzanine or balcony is the same show a little farther back, just fine for me. And I never go to a ticket agent, no matter what the event. If I can't get them at the box office or ticketmaster (expensive enough IMHO) I wasn't meant to go.

Not a sports nut so I never have to deal with the astronomical prices people pay to see baseball or football game. If I were a sports fan, I'd probably be happier going to a friend's house or a bar and watching it on a big TV and getting drunk for much less than the 9 dollar stadium beers.

Value IS subjective, and some of you out there may have paid 5x the face value of a conert ticket or a playoff game. I can't justify it, but maybe you can.


Hey, skyline, I got an idea, for chucks and giggles. If you have a minute, go online and look for a website for one of the nicer non-Disney resorts you've stayed it somewhere in the world recently. If that website allows you to book online, see what the current rack rate is for a room. I'm willing to bet a hiny red apple you didn't pay nearly that much for that room compared to your family connection-travel agent rate. You earlier compared the rack rate for a Savannah room at AKL with the passholder rate, and said the rack rate isn't worth it. Your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but is the rack rate for a resort you stayed at before "worth it" compared to the rate you paid for it from your travel-agent mom? Your perspective of a value might be skewed because the prices you paid for most rooms are probably even less than what most people who go to travel agents pay, let alone people who arrange thier own vacations and don't know how to look for the absolute best value or get a "I'm related to the travel agent" discount. Nothing to gripe about. When I was younger I sold TVs and appliances and gave my discount to any friend or family member who needed or wanted something we sold. But it was obvious I was giving them a discount, they saw the retail price of the thing they were buying, and they sae the price I was giving them, and could factor the value. On the flip side, if you're going up to your mom and saying, say, "I want to go to Quebec in the spring, what do you think?" Then she gives you a package price, and you might not have any idea just how much of a value it is compared to what the rooms normally go for, let alone any other amenities or airfare. That is, unless you've done the research beforehand or afterwards and KNOW what the rooms normally go for.

I could be wrong, but I suspect you might not do that research, so your perception of what a "value" is for a resort or hotel room is skewed because you've always gotten better prices than most people can get.
 
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Laura

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It seems like most of the "pro" arguments for staying onsite involve the transportation.

Seeing as I almost never use Disney transportation, the only perk to staying on site for me is extra magic hours. I can't use the dining plan because I have an AP, and I get my dining discounts from DDE.

So at this point, the only thing I factor in when considering where to stay is whether or not I want the extra magic hours perk.

I have a time share that is completely paid for. This means I only pay $590 a year in maintenence fees and $160 to exchange the place. So basically, I pay $750 a week ($108 a night) to vacation in whatever condo I want that is linked up with RCI.

Next week, I'm paying over $120 a night to stay at Pop Century resort...a tiny room with no amenitites.

The first week in December, I'll be paying $108 a night to stay in a luxury 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (living room, dining room, kitchen...) condo located directly next door to Animal Kingdom Lodge. It's one of the highest rated places to stay in the Orlando area. The commuting time will be the same to get to the parks as it would if I was staying on site. If I wanted accomodations of the same size on property, I'm sure it would be nearly $500 a night or more.

If you drive your own vehicle to the parks, you shouldn't be so closed minded in saying "I'll only stay ON PROPERTY" because there is a lot of luxury to be found within half a mile of the gate for a lot less money. ;)
 
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Skylinecar1982

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slappy magoo aka Online Thug. I bet if this was all in person you would hesitate to be so sarcastic and try to talk down to people but, thats neither here nor there. Why would you keep trying to pursue this? You are the problem with America. You said my post didn't affend you and you were just sticking up for other people. Typical American behavior to believe that other people are to dumb and small to defend themselfs. So what do you do stick your nose where it doesn't belong. If other people where affend by my statement then they should have told me and as I did with you I would apologize. Are you the spokesmen for these furoms. Just drop it. I hate people who need the internet to feel like they have some power.

FYI - I do the research and know the prices. Just because someones local hotel charges the same rates or more doesn't make that the going rate. Obviously a local hotel would do less business and would have to charge more. Oh and so you know the best deals are avaliable to anyone who knows how and what to look for. Travel agents don't get the best deals anymore they are open to everyone. And travel agents get no deals on disney that the general public wouldn't get.
 
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Skylinecar1982

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Laura22

The first week in December, I'll be paying $108 a night to stay in a luxury 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (living room, dining room, kitchen...) condo located directly next door to Animal Kingdom Lodge. It's one of the highest rated places to stay in the Orlando area. The commuting time will be the same to get to the parks as it would if I was staying on site. If I wanted accomodations of the same size on property, I'm sure it would be nearly $500 a night or more.

Is that part of your timeshare??
 
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Laura

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The first week in December, I'll be paying $108 a night to stay in a luxury 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom (living room, dining room, kitchen...) condo located directly next door to Animal Kingdom Lodge. It's one of the highest rated places to stay in the Orlando area. The commuting time will be the same to get to the parks as it would if I was staying on site. If I wanted accomodations of the same size on property, I'm sure it would be nearly $500 a night or more.

Is that part of your timeshare??

Yes, the $108 was simply the maintenance fees and exchange fee divided by 7 (7 nights).
 
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slappy magoo

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slappy magoo aka Online Thug. I bet if this was all in person you would hesitate to be so sarcastic and try to talk down to people but, thats neither here nor there. Why would you keep trying to pursue this? You are the problem with America. You said my post didn't affend you and you were just sticking up for other people. Typical American behavior to believe that other people are to dumb and small to defend themselfs. So what do you do stick your nose where it doesn't belong. If other people where affend by my statement then they should have told me and as I did with you I would apologize. Are you the spokesmen for these furoms. Just drop it. I hate people who need the internet to feel like they have some power.

FYI - I do the research and know the prices. Just because someones local hotel charges the same rates or more doesn't make that the going rate. Obviously a local hotel would do less business and would have to charge more. Oh and so you know the best deals are avaliable to anyone who knows how and what to look for. Travel agents don't get the best deals anymore they are open to everyone. And travel agents get no deals on disney that the general public wouldn't get.

Dear America,

according to skyline, I am the problem. Please stop writing your Congesspeople for any and all griping. It's all me. Sorry. I started with online ranting and I guess it all spiraled from there. Guess I lost my head. :rolleyes:

YOU'RE the one who called a bunch of people pathetic on this forum, belittling THEIR opinions, yet *I'M* the one who uses the internet to stroke my ego. High-larity. I'll tell you the difference between you and me, kiddo, and THEN we can drop it, if that's really what you want. You insulted people as a group (and there were at least 2 people who took offense at your comment, if you care to look back at the other posts), and I'm talking to you, specifically. Doesn't make me a thug or a bully, you just think that because you were the one in the wrong and now feel defensive because someone pointed out how rude and insulting you were.

Don't chalk it up to me being an American, any more than I'll chalk up your condescension and crass comments to your possibly NOT being American (or at least, no the same kind of American as I am, heavens no, that would be madness. J'Accuse!). You were rude, I called you rude. The more you try to defend your rudeness, the more of a hyprocrite you seem, because you're guilty of the same behaviours you claim I have.

FYI, I know Disney doesn't always offer the same kinds of deals that other htoel chains offer to travel agents. And I never said they did, thanks for those words in my mouth, by the way. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that's why you got the annual pass, for the discounted rooms, because if you could've gotten a discount from the Travel Agent From Whose Womb You Spawned (heaven forbid I actually talk about your mom unless it's in the abstract), you probably would've taken it.

And finally, if you REALLY hate people who use the internet to feel like they have some kind of power (as I MUST be doing, it can't possibly be anything YOU did, innocent little lamb that you are), then take the power away. Don't write back. The thread will either continue on-topic (without you insulting other members for their opinions) or it will die off as threads eventually do.
 
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Skylinecar1982

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GREAT POST!!!!! YOU REALLY NAILED IT!!!!!!! YOUR A GENIUS!!!!


"Kiddo" come on don't think you know me because we giga-chatted alittle bit and you looked my profile and myspace page.


BUT seriously though you really NAILED IT!!!
 
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slappy magoo

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GREAT POST!!!!! YOU REALLY NAILED IT!!!!!!! YOUR A GENIUS!!!!


"Kiddo" come on don't think you know me because we giga-chatted alittle bit and you looked my profile and myspace page.


BUT seriously though you really NAILED IT!!!
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Originally Posted by Skylinecar1982
slappy magoo aka Online Thug. I bet if this was all in person you would hesitate to be so sarcastic and try to talk down to people but, thats neither here nor there.
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Ah, I see, *I* shouldn't think I know *YOU*.

Hypocrisy, once again, thy name is Skyline

Oh, and while we're at it, don't flatter yourself into thinking I'd bother looking at your myspace page. After all, it'd take precious time away from my extensive online thuggery. :ROFLOL:
 
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disneydudette

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Wow Sky, your girlfriends a lucky girl. I wish My boyfriend fought with "pretend people" in a disney message forum all day long. That was rude of me, I'm sorry ... guess it's the 500+ posts and the fact that I stay at values :eek:

I think a savanah view room isn't that expensive, but I tend to compare it to Garden View at the CR or Courtyard View at the WL. Both those resorts have a brand new rooms and furniture, and one provides you with access to the monorail. The dinning options are more our tast (very boring eaters, we'll admit it) and we like the access to Bay Lake for water sports, the beach, and the view.
If it came down to courtyard view WL or savanah room AKL, I'd probably pick savanah... just to "try" the view. We stay at the AKL in 2002, pool view, and just wasn't that impressed.
If it came down to CR or savanah room, I'd probably stay CR. The amentities there out weigh those of the AKL in OUR opinion.

I, like most, just like to get the most for your money. Sometimes that means staying off site (gasp!) if we're in desperate need of space. Seeing animals from my balcony is extremely amazing, but not sure, like another poster, we would take advantage as often as we liked. For right now, the values do a-ok in our opinion.
 
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Skylinecar1982

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Wow Sky, your girlfriends a lucky girl. I wish My boyfriend fought with "pretend people" in a disney message forum all day long. That was rude of me, I'm sorry ... guess it's the 500+ posts and the fact that I stay at values :eek:
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Why would you want him to fight pretend people?
In all fairness we are both pretend and why would you read pretend writing???

I had nothing to do at work today and thought that this was fun. I still disagree with Slappy Magoo but whats the fun of agreeing.

Everyone hears this but no one is really listening.
 
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slappy magoo

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Why would you want him to fight pretend people?
In all fairness we are both pretend and why would you read pretend writing???

I had nothing to do at work today and thought that this was fun. I still disagree with Slappy Magoo but whats the fun of agreeing.

Everyone hears this but no one is really listening.

For those keeping track at home.

1: Values are a waste of money.
2: Deluxes like AKL are a waste of money unless you get the passholder rate.
3: Just because your mom is a travel agent doesn't mean you have to admit you get any sort of discount from her.
4: If you have less than 100 posts and agree with anyone with over 500 posts, you're pathetic.
5: If you opt to come stick up for people with whom you have nothing in common but an internet forum, that's a BAD THING.
6: I am what's wrong with America.
7: It's OK to be hypocrite if you pretend you don't know it.
8: Skyline stirs up s***, intentionally, for fun, therefore every opinion he types from this point forward should be immediately suspect. Whether or not you agree with what he writes, it doesn't necessarily mean HE agrees with it. It also means you should think twice before RSVP'ing to one of his fancy cotillions, because if this is his idea of fun, I'd like to think any of you has better things to do with your time. Now I'm not saying he's a troll, but making up opinions you don't really believe in, on an internet forum, just to see what happens, and belittling those on the forum (conveniently ignoring the fact that YOU'RE on the forum, too)...well, that IS what trolls tend to do. A lot.
 
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slappy magoo

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Everyone hears this but no one is really listening.

9: Midnight Cowboy needs to get Ratso Rizzo to florida, like, NOW.

Lyrics for: Everybody's Talkin'

Everybody's talking at me
I don't hear a word they're saying
Only the echoes of my mind

People stopping staring
I can't see their faces
Only the shadows of their eyes

I'm going where the sun keeps shining
Thru' the pouring rain
Going where the weather suits my clothes
Banking off of the North East wind
Sailing on a summer breeze
And skipping over the ocean like a stone
 
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Skylinecar1982

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who said i didn't believe what I wrote. I fully believe what I wrote. I thought our little debate was fun. Don't be so negative. Your treating me like a scum bag and you were part of this debate/arguement too.

In all honestly I think we are both pretty lame. I'm man enough to admit that one.
 
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slappy magoo

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who said i didn't believe what I wrote. I fully believe what I wrote. I thought our little debate was fun. Don't be so negative. Your treating me like a scum bag and you were part of this debate/arguement too.

In all honestly I think we are both pretty lame. I'm man enough to admit that one.

Well...that makes one of us.

Trust me, when I think I'm lame, I'll admit it. Glad you finally did, though.
 
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Christi22222

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So what happens to this thread if I go back and edit my post to remove the, "you nailed it," comment regarding Imayoyo's post? Is the debate over? Am I no longer pathetic?:veryconfu
 
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slappy magoo

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So what happens to this thread if I go back and edit my post to remove the, "you nailed it," comment regarding Imayoyo's post? Is the debate over? Am I no longer pathetic?:veryconfu

I'm sorry, you are now marked as an Enemy of Skyline.

It's OK though, the meetings are only tri-annual, and someone always brings cake.
 
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Skylinecar1982

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I don't get how you thought I made stuff up just for the hell of it???? For your numbers game. I agree with #1 #2 and #6. As for #4 The point I was trying to make was (other then kissing someones butt why would you post something in a forum that adds nothing to the thread other then telling someone how great they are) Now you can do what you do with everything I write and analyze it and manipulate it into whatever you would like. Do you really believe that you are not being foolish???

disneydudette- Just a question why would you single me out and not the other party? Is it another on of those not enough posts rules? I think so. It's like you completely ignored everything else but me.

And to add to the actual thread. I think for now on I will not stay at vaules and stick with deluxe and probably good moderates if I could get info on the better ones.
 
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