"unmagical"

Robin Of Loxley

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From the time I got on property til I stepped foot on Main St was over 2hrs!
From walking through the MK gates to walking in the gates of EP took over an hour.
From the end of Illuminations to the time I got to my car was almost an hour and a half.
:eek:

Let me add this up right quick to make sure I'm reading this correctly (I'm a little fuzzy with math equations, so bear with me)

Over 2 hrs from driving into MK parking until walking onto Main Street
+
Over 1 hour to travel from MK to Epcot...a 3-mile distance which should take approx. 6 minutes from point A to point B.
+
Close to 1.5 hours back to car at MK...once again 3-miles from point B back to point A. Approx 6-minute travel time added to a factored in 25-30 minute walk from the furtherst end of World Showcase to Epcot exit.

= Close to 5 hours for something that should (combined) take under 1 hour.
Divide wasted time to park ticket cost, multiply by X, and you get...
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=7.9 times Walt has rolled over in his grave.
 

Kuzcotopia

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:eek:

Let me add this up right quick to make sure I'm reading this correctly (I'm a little fuzzy with math equations, so bear with me)

Over 2 hrs from driving into MK parking until walking onto Main Street
+
Over 1 hour to travel from MK to Epcot...a 3-mile distance which should take approx. 6 minutes from point A to point B.
+
Close to 1.5 hours back to car at MK...once again 3-miles from point B back to point A. Approx 6-minute travel time added to a factored in 25-30 minute walk from the furtherst end of World Showcase to Epcot exit.

= Close to 5 hours for something that should (combined) take under 1 hour.
Divide wasted time to park ticket cost, multiply by X, and you get...
_______________________________________________________________________________
=7.9 times Walt has rolled over in his grave.

Offsite and day guests are getting screwed over with all of this happening at the same time. That is some unmagical math.
 

rob0519

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Offsite and day guests are getting screwed over with all of this happening at the same time. That is some unmagical math.

All guests are getting screwed over. The off site and day guests are just getting it a bit worse. I wish someone could explain how TDO allowed this transportation nightmare to occur.
Poor planning at its finest.
 
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Goofyernmost

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:eek:

Let me add this up right quick to make sure I'm reading this correctly (I'm a little fuzzy with math equations, so bear with me)

Over 2 hrs from driving into MK parking until walking onto Main Street
+
Over 1 hour to travel from MK to Epcot...a 3-mile distance which should take approx. 6 minutes from point A to point B.
+
Close to 1.5 hours back to car at MK...once again 3-miles from point B back to point A. Approx 6-minute travel time added to a factored in 25-30 minute walk from the furtherst end of World Showcase to Epcot exit.

= Close to 5 hours for something that should (combined) take under 1 hour.
Divide wasted time to park ticket cost, multiply by X, and you get...
_______________________________________________________________________________
=7.9 times Walt has rolled over in his grave.
I'm a little skeptical about the times taken, but, assuming they are correct with a little thought, there was a way to avoid all that. If you plan on ending your day at Epcot, park at Epcot. Take the Monorail to MK then in the evening, or whenever, take the Monorail back to Epcot go to Illuminations and in a few minutes you are in the Epcot Parking lot and headed home.

I have done the MK parking at least 43 times and have never had any delays like that. I walk into TTC and if the line is exceptionally long at the Monorail I simply hit the ferry's. I have always gotten on those the first docking after I get there. (Those puppies hold a lot of people. Returning if the Express Monorail has a long line, I either go to the Resort Monorail or the ferry. Again I always, even at closing have been able to get on the first docking after I arrive. One of the frustrating delays that I have encountered is sitting there in the trams for 5 minutes listening to the safety spiel in two languages because of problems caused by people with the common sense of a gnat.

If one goes at an exceptionally busy time, delays are expected (even Walt would have been able to deal with that). Again, like the other post with a like name, spending a few seconds thinking out, internal planning, if you will, can make the day go a lot smoother. The argument can be made that going to a Theme Park should not require the same planning as the Normandy Invasion, but, that is the fact. The lagoon is not going to part to allow individuals to pass through to the exclusion of others. Also, as with life, timing is everything.:)
 

Goofyernmost

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All guests are getting screwed over. The off site and day guests are just getting it a bit worse. I wish someone could explain how TDO allowed this transportation nightmare to occur.
Poor planning at its finest.
Oh, I don't know, perhaps a desire to not strand guests on an elevated rail due to equipment malfunctions. When do you propose that the do this stuff. It cannot be all done at night, the staging alone would take most of the night. Some things need daylight to fix or inspect properly.

All I have read on these pages for the past couple of years is how awful the condition of WDW has gotten. Whine, and complaining no end. Now it appears that they or someone has been listening and they are at least making an attempt to bring things back to A-1 condition, and what are we reading? Whining, and complaining about how they are doing it and most likely intentionally timing it with everyone's trip.

I went there at the end of January this year from offsite and never once felt "screwed over". In fact, I was very happy about the renewed interest in maintenance once again.
 

Killnme

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Oh, I don't know, perhaps a desire to not strand guests on an elevated rail due to equipment malfunctions. When do you propose that the do this stuff. It cannot be all done at night, the staging alone would take most of the night. Some things need daylight to fix or inspect properly.

All I have read on these pages for the past couple of years is how awful the condition of WDW has gotten. Whine, and complaining no end. Now it appears that they or someone has been listening and they are at least making an attempt to bring things back to A-1 condition, and what are we reading? Whining, and complaining about how they are doing it and most likely intentionally timing it with everyone's trip.

I went there at the end of January this year from offsite and never once felt "screwed over". In fact, I was very happy about the renewed interest in maintenance once again.

Then when did they do it the first 42 years the park was open?
 

rob0519

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I agree. It's nice to see a renewed interest in maintenance. I've been stuck on that monorail a number of times in the last few years. However, that's only part of my point. Had they properly planned maintenance over the years it might not have come to this lengthy a shutdown. I fully understand this type of work has to be done during the day for a multiple number of reasons. There is no getting around that fact. It is not being done to intentionally mess with any one individual family's vacation.

The planning I was referring to however, seems to be that the current Ferry system and number of buses in place cannot absorb enough of the passenger load to avoid the serious type of backups getting to the MK described by the OP. This was on a Thursday in the middle of March heading into Spring Break season, so it is likely that the situation will get worse before it gets better.

It is possible that the reality is the transportaion system is simply over taxed. It can only move a set number of people in a set amount of time. Unless more equipment can be added to the system,it's unfortunate, but guests will have to live with this until the monorail is reopened during the day.
 

Goofyernmost

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Then when did they do it the first 42 years the park was open?
They hadn't let it go for a lengthy period of time like they have lately. Besides for most of that it was brand new and didn't require that much maintenance, that's what spoiled them, I think. I also believe that there is much more traffic now then just 20 years ago. Things wear out and after "42 years" things need work. CoP for example has been rotating every 5 minutes, every day for at least 8 hours, 365 days a year. It's amazing the it moves at all. Apparently, according to many, Disney has been incredibly lucky because they all know that no maintenance happens there.

The Monorail beams, for another example, have been used for 42 years at MK and 32 years for Epcot. I don't know about you, but I want those concrete beams inspected and inspected closely. It really could ruin one's vacation if even a small stress crack opened up. They are exposed to all kinds of weather, including occasional freezing, not to mention the weight of the trains and passengers, all those years. I am much happier if I feel that they are checking that out and I can assure you it wouldn't be anything that I would complain about.

As for transportation planning, I think that all the planning in the world can come unraveled without exact usage. To many buses can cause gridlock and they only have so many buses, and then there is the problem of having enough drivers to man them. You don't want some novice driving one of those around. Ferry's... they have three operating during the shutdown time, which by the way is not a peak time. There should be no more then a 10 minute wait for the next one, if that much. Slight inconvenience, sure. The end of the world, no! The need between 11 AM and 7 PM is very light and that was part of the planning process. Occasionally they can be surprised but a large influx of people at a time that they hadn't planned on, but, stuff happens. Not everything can be planned or be able to respond to in time to make a difference.
 
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Zummi Gummi

Pioneering the Universe Within!
We went to the park around 6:00 yesterday, so the monorail was still down. There was a lengthy line for the ferry at the TTC, but not a soul waiting for the bus, which we opted to take. Our bus had 5 people on it. The bus was fast and efficient- we were disembarking about 3 minutes after it pulled it away, and I noticed as soon as we pulled away, another bus pulled right in to take its place. I wonder if many guests are unaware the bus is an option when the monorail is down? There were very large signs out (that in my opinion couldn't be missed), but I noticed most people headed right to the ferry dock.
 

rob0519

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We went to the park around 6:00 yesterday, so the monorail was still down. There was a lengthy line for the ferry at the TTC, but not a soul waiting for the bus, which we opted to take. Our bus had 5 people on it. The bus was fast and efficient- we were disembarking about 3 minutes after it pulled it away, and I noticed as soon as we pulled away, another bus pulled right in to take its place. I wonder if many guests are unaware the bus is an option when the monorail is down? There were very large signs out (that in my opinion couldn't be missed), but I noticed most people headed right to the ferry dock.

Thanks for posting this information. It's exactly what people need to know. A 3 minute bus ride is certainly not an inconvenience to anyone. It does make you wonder if people knew that was an option or they just wanted a ferry ride.
 

Goofyernmost

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Thanks for posting this information. It's exactly what people need to know. A 3 minute bus ride is certainly not an inconvenience to anyone. It does make you wonder if people knew that was an option or they just wanted a ferry ride.
I know they exist, but I love riding the ferry across the lagoon, watching MK come into view, so I would probably wait for the ferry before I would take the bus. I'm on vacation and see no need to rush anything.
 

JoeT63

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I know in this day of Fastpasses and touring plans that a day with the Mouse means tight schedules and quick marches. But whatever happened to finding a bench at day's end, watching the crowds leave, and trying to be the last one out? I've often found much of the 'magic' at times like these.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I know they exist, but I love riding the ferry across the lagoon, watching MK come into view, so I would probably wait for the ferry before I would take the bus.

My DD (22) last week didn't know what the ferry from TTC to MK was. I felt horrible. That is such a magical voyage if you don't have to wait an inordinate amount of time. We usually took the monorail on our trips when we transferred parks and most of our trips were at bus resorts not monorail ones. I know she was on the ferries when she was small but she obviously doesn't remember. A strange must do on her next trip.
 
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Figmentation

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I know in this day of Fastpasses and touring plans that a day with the Mouse means tight schedules and quick marches. But whatever happened to finding a bench at day's end, watching the crowds leave, and trying to be the last one out? I've often found much of the 'magic' at times like these.

I'm going in Early May, and I possibly will have a friend who has not been before with me.
My plan is to relax and take our time. Yes we'll have FP+ for some of those rides, but I want her to enjoy her first time there. So we're going to wander and not rush. It's early May so the lines won't be too terribly bad. All and all, for me, it'll be the first time in awhile I'm not going to be running from ride to ride. :)
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I know in this day of Fastpasses and touring plans that a day with the Mouse means tight schedules and quick marches. But whatever happened to finding a bench at day's end, watching the crowds leave, and trying to be the last one out? I've often found much of the 'magic' at times like these.

When my children were small we did just that. Hung back in the WorldShowcase. We rented those old metal strollers and didn't enjoy being in the huge crowds with 2 kids making hasty pilgrimages to the bus queues that were long at park close. We hung back around Germany. Let the two of them wander about, burn some energy in the empty WS. Eventually we made our way back to the bus depot and the lines were very doable. The WS is very charming at night with very few guests back there.
 

rob0519

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I know in this day of Fastpasses and touring plans that a day with the Mouse means tight schedules and quick marches. But whatever happened to finding a bench at day's end, watching the crowds leave, and trying to be the last one out? I've often found much of the 'magic' at times like these.

At the end of the day that's what we typically do, which is why in almost 20 years we've never seen a rope drop. We stay up too late. There's something very peaceful about the parks at the end of the night after most people have left. However, now with Fastpass + ride schedules and ADRs, there will be a new emphasis on getting guests TO the parks on time.
 

loveofamouse

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Original Poster
Why are the monorails shut down?

I asked. They are running fiber optics for manless monorails. because normal maintenance is done at night, there are running these cables during the day.

All guests are getting screwed over. The off site and day guests are just getting it a bit worse. I wish someone could explain how TDO allowed this transportation nightmare to occur.
Poor planning at its finest.

yes, it was

I'm a little skeptical about the times taken, but, assuming they are correct with a little thought, there was a way to avoid all that. If you plan on ending your day at Epcot, park at Epcot. Take the Monorail to MK then in the evening, or whenever, take the Monorail back to Epcot go to Illuminations and in a few minutes you are in the Epcot Parking lot and headed home.

I have done the MK parking at least 43 times and have never had any delays like that. I walk into TTC and if the line is exceptionally long at the Monorail I simply hit the ferry's. I have always gotten on those the first docking after I get there. (Those puppies hold a lot of people. Returning if the Express Monorail has a long line, I either go to the Resort Monorail or the ferry. Again I always, even at closing have been able to get on the first docking after I arrive. One of the frustrating delays that I have encountered is sitting there in the trams for 5 minutes listening to the safety spiel in two languages because of problems caused by people with the common sense of a gnat.

If one goes at an exceptionally busy time, delays are expected (even Walt would have been able to deal with that). Again, like the other post with a like name, spending a few seconds thinking out, internal planning, if you will, can make the day go a lot smoother. The argument can be made that going to a Theme Park should not require the same planning as the Normandy Invasion, but, that is the fact. The lagoon is not going to part to allow individuals to pass through to the exclusion of others. Also, as with life, timing is everything.:)

Skeptical? Are you calling me a liar? Obviously, you missed the entire post. First off, the monorails running to MK and resorts were down. From the TTC, the ferry was the only option. That's A LOT of traffic. There was no "first docking." There was a massive line weaving back and forth and across in front of the monorails ramps, as described in my post. "Planning ahead" would not have helped the amount of people needing to be moved from point A to point B. The parting of the lagoon is not necessary, thank you. As also stated, I didn't intend to end my day anywhere but MK, but I allowed my kids to decide how our day was going as it was my son's birthday. They discussed it among themselves and chose to go to EP. That is how we ended up heading over there. I guess we should all vacation with you since you have never encountered a transportation or parking snafu and, therefore, can't believe it was possible.

Oh, I don't know, perhaps a desire to not strand guests on an elevated rail due to equipment malfunctions. When do you propose that the do this stuff. It cannot be all done at night, the staging alone would take most of the night. Some things need daylight to fix or inspect properly.

All I have read on these pages for the past couple of years is how awful the condition of WDW has gotten. Whine, and complaining no end. Now it appears that they or someone has been listening and they are at least making an attempt to bring things back to A-1 condition, and what are we reading? Whining, and complaining about how they are doing it and most likely intentionally timing it with everyone's trip.

I went there at the end of January this year from offsite and never once felt "screwed over". In fact, I was very happy about the renewed interest in maintenance once again.

Again, reading works just as well as planning. I did not feel "screwed over." I actually enjoyed my day with my kids and just adjusted our timing and expectations for the day. As I said, though, I could see how a first timer could have had a "bad trip" due to this transportation nightmare that I, apparently, exaggerated on. I also overheard many unhappy guests talking about it.

We went to the park around 6:00 yesterday, so the monorail was still down. There was a lengthy line for the ferry at the TTC, but not a soul waiting for the bus, which we opted to take. Our bus had 5 people on it. The bus was fast and efficient- we were disembarking about 3 minutes after it pulled it away, and I noticed as soon as we pulled away, another bus pulled right in to take its place. I wonder if many guests are unaware the bus is an option when the monorail is down? There were very large signs out (that in my opinion couldn't be missed), but I noticed most people headed right to the ferry dock.


That could be some issue. We we were there Wed, I didn't see any signs about the bus option, but, honestly, didn't think to look for a bus on the way in. Usually, there isn't a bus going from TTC to MK so I didn't even think it could have been an option. As we were leaving MK, I did, briefly, skim over the bus board to see if there was a bus to EP which is how I saw the bus to TTC. I opted against it as I assumed it would be packed with people trying to avoid the ferry. I didn't walk over there. I regret that. I also noticed, right as we were about to board the ferry, that they began allowing passengers on the monorails 20min early. Oh, well. lol.

To clarify, since apparently I need to, I did not consider my day ruined. I didn't consider my day horrible. Was I surprised? Yes. Do I think it could have been done better? Yes. Do I think Disney is perfect? No. Do I think WDW is awesome? Obviously, as I just paid out the butt for APs. While I did do some reading before we went, I didn't know about the monorail down times. Honestly, I didn't even think taking them down in the middle of the day was something that would have even been considered. I have friends that are CMs at MK. Even they didn't mention the monorails being down. There was no way to anticipate how bad the ticket windows would be in the middle of the day. They were as packed as they would be in the mornings with only half as many windows open. Yes, I do think the monorail upgrading was poorly timed. The south has already started doing their spring breaks. My friend's kids were last week. North Florida is this week. Central FL is next week with the north following that. The monorails are down all week from 11-7 for the next couple of weeks. It's high season. Yes, it was poorly timed which is going to lead to some "whining, , and complaining." Yes, it's great the work is being done. It can be timed better. Also, the compensation options could be better. Since the extra docks for the ferries aren't 100% completed, they could have started the monorails after that was done. Then the ferries could have handled the load. For the buses running as an option, that could have been advertised more. Even the CM at the window said nothing about what I was about to see walking away from the window. When it comes to FP, I'm not a huge fan. We actually only used FP once that day. Other than that, we just waited and chilled out. At the end of the day, though, I did want to get out of there as I had a 2.5hr drive back home. When I left that morning, I left with the plan of leaving the park at about 6 so I wasn't driving in the middle of the night. Instead, we stayed later to make up for time lost in transportation. This caused us to not get home til 0130. At one point, I had to pull over for espresso shots and a coke as I was tired. Again, this didn't make for a horrible trip. Honestly, I wasn't even annoyed. I could, though, see how this could have been an issue for others.
 
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loveofamouse

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:eek:

Let me add this up right quick to make sure I'm reading this correctly (I'm a little fuzzy with math equations, so bear with me)

Over 2 hrs from driving into MK parking until walking onto Main Street
+
Over 1 hour to travel from MK to Epcot...a 3-mile distance which should take approx. 6 minutes from point A to point B.
+
Close to 1.5 hours back to car at MK...once again 3-miles from point B back to point A. Approx 6-minute travel time added to a factored in 25-30 minute walk from the furtherst end of World Showcase to Epcot exit.

= Close to 5 hours for something that should (combined) take under 1 hour.
Divide wasted time to park ticket cost, multiply by X, and you get...
_______________________________________________________________________________
=7.9 times Walt has rolled over in his grave.


Almost :) It was 2hrs from the time I pulled through the main gates, which included the parking booths. Most of the time, though, was between parking, the ferry line, and ticket booth with parking eaten up in trying drive through the masses for trams (people don't move for big white trucks. I didn't want to honk and scare children so I would just wait for people to notice the line of cars and move their little humans out of the way) and trying to figure out where I was supposed to go for handicap. As I said, no one was directing traffic past the point they pointed us off from. Several cars were just aimlessly wondering about. I ended up seeing some disabled guests that were pointing down the proper lanes with one commenting that she should get paid for that. lol. Someone, I think, was supposed to be down there directing traffic but was not. The next time eater, besides the ticket booth, was the ferry traffic. The ropes were spaced about 10ft wide and snaked back and forth in front of the dock, but the line still went down in front of the monorails. It was an insane amount of people. Honestly, I was a bit surprised how full the park was as it isn't northern spring break yet. Despite that, though, ride times were decent so I guess the FP+ was working. Security at MK gate was also more thorough than usual resulting in longer lines for bag checks which we require with DS's medical supplies and pump which took her even longer to check his bags as she even shook his feed pump bag. I guess she was making sure the formula wouldn't explode lol.

Going from MK to EP, most of the wait was for the ferry. Once I got back to TTC, we walked straight up to the gate for the EP rail and just had to wait for the train to show up. Then there was security at EP, which wasn't half as bad as MK.

Going back to the car, most of the time was waiting for the monorail. Like I said, it appeared to only have been one running at that time. Not 100% sure. I only saw monorail red pulling in and out. The line for the monorail back was down the ramps and down the sidewalk. We don't often take that line as we are usually at a resort and waiting for a bus. Once on, we shot back over to TTC and walked out to the parking lot.
 

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