Under the Sea on fire!?

Thurp

Thurp

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Acolli18 said:
How do Fire Departments access these kinds of things. I'd assume through back entrances, but do they drive firetrucks down walking paths through the park or is it as simple as using fire hose already implanted throughout the park? Always been curious about that...
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Every park has designated routes for emergency vehicles.
 
crispy

crispy

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Acolli18 said:
How do Fire Departments access these kinds of things. I'd assume through back entrances, but do they drive firetrucks down walking paths through the park or is it as simple as using fire hose already implanted throughout the park? Always been curious about that...
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We were at the park in 2011 when there was a small fire at the Astro Orbiter. They had the park fire trucks out. I have some cool pictures of the fire truck driving by the Castle.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Acolli18 said:
How do Fire Departments access these kinds of things. I'd assume through back entrances, but do they drive firetrucks down walking paths through the park or is it as simple as using fire hose already implanted throughout the park? Always been curious about that...
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Know how when you are in a big building.. and you see fire hose hookups in the hallways or stairwells? They exist in the parks too.. they are just hidden. Sometimes in plain sight! There is a photo somewhere that illustrates this in one of the common disney books.. showing how they hid the fire hose hookup in a barrel that is painted with some names that kind of joke about fireman.

There is also lots of roads/entrnaces behind the scenes you don't normally notice.. and of course they can drive out into the paths if needed. Normally for EMTs, etc you wouldn't see them drive out there, but rather walk with stretchers, etc. But if needed, emergency vehicles can drive out there.
 
projectorguy1

projectorguy1

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ford91exploder said:
Aluminum burns quite nicely once it gets to its ignition point then it becomes a class D fire and cannot be put out by water! It's why Aluminum powder and machine shop swarf is handled carefully and stored OUTDOORS
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You're thinking of magnesium that can't be put out. Aluminum burns, if in shreaded or powder form, but can be extinguished fairly easily...
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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projectorguy1 said:
You're thinking of magnesium that can't be put out. Aluminum burns, if in shreaded or powder form, but can be extinguished fairly easily...
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alum oxide burns quite well.. it's the basis of thermite.. not so easy to extinquish

Alum oxide fires can't be put out with water - only smothered or left to burn out.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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projectorguy1 said:
You're thinking of magnesium that can't be put out. Aluminum burns, if in shreaded or powder form, but can be extinguished fairly easily...
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No I'm thinking of aluminum it IS a flammable metal, It's not as energetic as Mg but it still gives you a class D fire.

And it's one of the components of thermite others are left as an exercise for the reader and its powder form is used as a component in fireworks as well.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-aluminum-powder.htm
 
projectorguy1

projectorguy1

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ford91exploder said:
No I'm thinking of aluminum it IS a flammable metal, It's not as energetic as Mg but it still gives you a class D fire.

And it's one of the components of thermite others are left as an exercise for the reader and its powder form is used as a component in fireworks as well.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-aluminum-powder.htm
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I know aluminum is very flammable and even explosive in some forms. Magnesium is WAY different in that it contains its own oxidizer and cannot be extinguished by denying it oxygen...Cant be smothered either. Edit: Can't be smothered very easily... I have seen it burn under water...Not used in fireworks because its WAY too dangerous...

You were talking about aluminum ...not aluminum oxide...different stuff. The grass is aluminum not aluminum oxide. Aluminum does not easily and spontaneously convert in significant quantities into aluminum oxide.
 
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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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projectorguy1 said:
I know aluminum is very flammable and even explosive in some forms. Magnesium is WAY different in that it contains its own oxidizer and cannot be extinguished by denying it oxygen...Cant be smothered either. Edit: Can't be smothered very easily... I have seen it burn under water...Not used in fireworks because its WAY too dangerous...

You were talking about aluminum ...not aluminum oxide...different stuff. The grass is aluminum not aluminum oxide. Aluminum does not easily and spontaneously convert in significant quantities into aluminum oxide.
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The thermite reaction PRODUCES Aluminim Oxide and Metallic Iron - Metallic aluminum is one of the ingredients.

I suggest you carefully re-read your Chem-101 textbook, Specifically the section on REDOX reactions, Also look up the chemical properties of Mg it does need an oxidizer to 'burn', For that matter steel burns as well - It's called RUSTING, Happens a lot quicker with a Oxy-Acetylene rig, Use the torcH with a neutral flame to heat metal then cut off fuel and the oxidation reaction takes care of the rest.

I never mentioned Al 02 - You did, I mentioned fine Al shavings and Al powder both metallic forms of the element.

Aluminum Fines are mentioned specifically in NFPA publication 484,

You might want to familiarize yourself with the link below as you don't seem to realize the inherent hazards of small bits of metallic aluminum.

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/equip/alrefdatasheet.htm
 
Acolli18

Acolli18

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Thurp said:
Every park has designated routes for emergency vehicles.
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crispy said:
We were at the park in 2011 when there was a small fire at the Astro Orbiter. They had the park fire trucks out. I have some cool pictures of the fire truck driving by the Castle.
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flynnibus said:
Know how when you are in a big building.. and you see fire hose hookups in the hallways or stairwells? They exist in the parks too.. they are just hidden. Sometimes in plain sight! There is a photo somewhere that illustrates this in one of the common disney books.. showing how they hid the fire hose hookup in a barrel that is painted with some names that kind of joke about fireman.

There is also lots of roads/entrnaces behind the scenes you don't normally notice.. and of course they can drive out into the paths if needed. Normally for EMTs, etc you wouldn't see them drive out there, but rather walk with stretchers, etc. But if needed, emergency vehicles can drive out there.
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Good info guys thanks! I figured they mostly use hookups around the area, but didn't know how they handle some situations where those weren't readily available. Thanks guys!
 

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