News UCF Peach Bowl/National Championship Parade

[yoda_5729]

It does mean something. They can hang an “undefeated” banner and display multiple trophies.

Does it? They can hang those banners, but the powers that be will shrug their shoulders and depreciate any accomplishment with "well, they didn't actually play anyone anyways, so it's not all that hard to go undefeated." Even if Alabama had had the same schedule as UCF, no one has any idea if they would have won every game. Clemson lost to Syracuse, a team many would look to as an easy win for any team as high ranked as that. All sports have variables, and those variables are hard to overcome over the course of the season. UCF did. College football signed on the dotted line that UCF's schedule this year was an acceptable schedule. UCF did what was in front of them, and got the job accomplished. Having people demean that, with "maybe next year they can schedule somebody" is irrelavant, as this years team will never compete again. Coaches will change, players will move around. bNext year UCF may be great, or may fall hard, which does absolutely nothing in proving if this team is accomplished or not. This year though, they are the only undefeated team. Maybe Bama and Georgia shouldn't have scheduled Auburn, or move to an easier conference, but then again they wouldn't have gotten the profits from those huge SEC games.

 

[21stamps]

Does it? They can hang those banners, but the powers that be will shrug their shoulders and depreciate any accomplishment with "well, they didn't actually play anyone anyways, so it's not all that hard to go undefeated." Even if Alabama had had the same schedule as UCF, no one has any idea if they would have won every game. Clemson lost to Syracuse, a team many would look to as an easy win for any team as high ranked as that. All sports have variables, and those variables are hard to overcome over the course of the season. UCF did. College football signed on the dotted line that UCF's schedule this year was an acceptable schedule. UCF did what was in front of them, and got the job accomplished. Having people demean that, with "maybe next year they can schedule somebody" is irrelavant, as this years team will never compete again. Coaches will change, players will move around. bNext year UCF may be great, or may fall hard, which does absolutely nothing in proving if this team is accomplished or not. This year though, they are the only undefeated team. Maybe Bama and Georgia shouldn't have scheduled Auburn, or move to an easier conference, but then again they wouldn't have gotten the profits from those huge SEC games.

First of all, just so we’re clear, I despise the SEC, and I don’t think Alabama deserved to be in the final. The problem this year was it was a season of WTH Moments. The upsets were exciting..but it was definitely an odd year.

I love OSU, but their one inexcusable loss prevented an otherwise great team from going to the playoffs.. and deservedly so imo.

That left the committee with really no other choice than Bama, which is horrible, pains me to say it, but it’s true.

UCF is not in a Power 5 conference. Fans and Players know this. The chances of getting in a 4 team playoff is slim to none.
They know this, so declaring themselves as a national champ because of a winning schedule in a weak conference, and 1 quality win against a 4 loss team, is just fantasy.

Be proud of the season.. be proud of the trophies.. but let’s stay in reality.

 

[UCF]

It does mean something. They can hang an “undefeated” banner and display multiple trophies.

Here’s an idea.. learn from a great team Do a “celebration of perfection”
https://www.osu.edu/features/2012/undefeated.html

The Buckeyes' undefeated season is a rarity: it's only the sixth time in Ohio State history the football team has been undefeatened and untied. (The other teams: 1916, 1944, 1954, 1968, and 2002.)

It's a victory for the team, the university, and the state: Players were honored at the Statehouse, where they received a proclamation from Gov. John Kasich. (See photos from the Statehouse event). On Dec. 7, they will take part in a "Celebration of Perfection" (now sold out).

The only reason Ohio State doesn't claim that as a national championship is because they were declared ineligible, they were entirely banned from the post season due to sanctions for cheating. That isn't comparable at all, and I'm sure if they weren't busted for cheating and won a postseason game were undefeated, they'd declare themselves national champs.

 

[Foltzy]

I went to an FCS school, Youngstown State, and love the big playoff format at that level.
There’s just too much money tied up in bowl games for them to expand the new CFP much further. I can see them maybe going to 6 or 8. I definitely think the highest ranked non-power 5 school deserves an automatic bid or something close to it if they choose to expand.

This brings up the issue of players playing too many games. 15 if it expands to 8? That's ridiculous. They'd be playing 3 games that bring in big money and they get nothing. And, college football is way too physical to be playing 15 games
If it's 6, it brings up who deserves the bye and who doesn't and all that.
Also, no matter how many teams are in the CFP, there will always be an issue as to who should be in and who should be out

 

[21stamps]

The only reason Ohio State doesn't claim that as a national championship is because they were declared ineligible, they were entirely banned from the post season due to sanctions for cheating. That isn't comparable at all, and I'm sure if they weren't busted for cheating and won a postseason game were undefeated, they'd declare themselves national champs.

I could debate the stupidity of those rulings all day long.. but I won’t do it here.

The point was- throw a party celebrating your season. Not a party to celebrate a fake title. Especially when we will have an actual champ in the very near future.

 

[Todd H]

UCF fans seem to conveniently forget that Georgia avenged that loss to Auburn by a three touchdown victory in the SEC Championship game. UCF fans are absolutely adorable.

This is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. You had a great season but to declare yourself national champions by means of the transitive property?

 

[UCF]

This brings up the issue of players playing too many games. 15 if it expands to 8? That's ridiculous. They'd be playing 3 games that bring in big money and they get nothing. And, college football is way too physical to be playing 15 games
If it's 6, it brings up who deserves the bye and who doesn't and all that.
Also, no matter how many teams are in the CFP, there will always be an issue as to who should be in and who should be out

14 is great, but 15 is way to many? its only for 2 teams, they can handle it. I mean, I do agree on the players compensation, and realistically

I could debate the stupidity of those rulings all day long.. but I won’t do it here.

The point was- throw a party celebrating your season. Not a party to celebrate a fake title. Especially when we will have an actual champ in the very near future.

UCF doesn't plan to remove the national championship from the record books, and over time, we'll have to see what other organizations do, and its common for different organizations to count them differently. Alabama claims 15 titles, the NCAA recognizes 12 of them, and AP only 9 of them. Ohio State claims 8, AP only recognizes 5 of them. USC claims 11, NCAA only recognizes 10 of them. Sometimes it even goes the other way... Notre Dame claims 11, NCAA recognizes 12 titles for them.

 

[yoda_5729]

First of all, just so we’re clear, I despise the SEC, and I don’t think Alabama deserved to be in the final. The problem this year was it was a season of WTH Moments. The upsets were exciting..but it was definitely an odd year.

I love OSU, but their one inexcusable loss prevented an otherwise great team from going to the playoffs.. and deservedly so imo.

That left the committee with really no other choice than Bama, which is horrible, pains me to say it, but it’s true.

UCF is not in a Power 5 conference. Fans and Players know this. The chances of getting in a 4 team playoff is slim to none.
They know this, so declaring themselves as a national champ because of a winning schedule in a weak conference, and 1 quality win against a 4 loss team, is just fantasy.

Be proud of the season.. be proud of the trophies.. but let’s stay in reality.

UCF also defeated #20 Memphis, twice this season, which are Memphis' only two loses before their bowl loss to Iowa State, who defeated both Oklahoma and TCU. It's very hard to say to a team, be proud, but it really doesn't matter. Alabama didn't even win the SEC, and yet they can decalre themselves National Champs. They didn't even get the opportunity to play in the SEC championship game, meaning their the 3rd best team in the SEC. Auburn may have 4 losses now, but they were still the #2 team in the SEC. Bama, in my opinion was inferior to UCF. UCF was a conference champion and was undefeated, but beacuse of the country club like aspect of the power 5 conferences, they got left out, which means the National Championship has to be renamed the Power 5 Champion, and not the National Championship. Last I looked UCF was in the nation. Matt Damon in the Martian claims to be the greatest botanist on the planet, and he's right. He's the greatest everything on the planet, because he;'s the only person on the planet. But is it something he should be proud of? That's what I'm saying about UCF and their hard earned accomplishment, if people are always minimizing it to the point of not even getting invited to the Playoff, in a year of as you put it WTH moments, then no matter what they do, it'll never be good enough. No one has proven UCF was an inferior team in any way. All they did is win. Maybe they would have gotten blown out, or shocked the world. The fact we don't have that option is disgusting. Either way, I have no problem with what UCF declares, and whomever wins the game later, those players should feel happy. But just as UCF's victory is tainted, theirs should be as well. The system not only let the players of UCF down, but also the players of Georgia and Alabama. The biggest reason the SECs and Big Tens and others will never have a season of all cupcakes is because of the money they'd lose from the attendance and television ratings. They make that threat, but it's hollow as the thing they care more about then even the wins or championships, is the money.

 

[21stamps]

14 is great, but 15 is way to many? its only for 2 teams, they can handle it. I mean, I do agree on the players compensation, and realistically

UCF doesn't plan to remove the national championship from the record books, and over time, we'll have to see what other organizations do, and its common for different organizations to count them differently. Alabama claims 15 titles, the NCAA recognizes 12 of them, and AP only 9 of them. Ohio State claims 8, AP only recognizes 5 of them. USC claims 11, NCAA only recognizes 10 of them. Sometimes it even goes the other way... Notre Dame claims 11, NCAA recognizes 12 titles for them.

Where does the AP poll have UCF ranked for the 2017 season? The coaches poll as well? And the CFP poll? Can you post the top 10 in each poll?

If any 3 of these have UCF in the one or two spot then we can start entertaining the idea of adding a second “champ” team for the 2017 season.

Again, most of the titles you are referring to were claimed years after the season took place.. and under an entirely different bowl system.

 

[Todd H]

Here you go UCF. With this website you can claim the National Championship for any year you'd like! Isn't the transitive property awesome??!!

http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp

 

[NearTheEars]

The only reason Ohio State doesn't claim that as a national championship is because they were declared ineligible, they were entirely banned from the post season due to sanctions for cheating. That isn't comparable at all, and I'm sure if they weren't busted for cheating and won a postseason game were undefeated, they'd declare themselves national champs.

In that hypothetical situation, I don’t think they’d claim anything unless the AP or Coaches poll had split from the BCS and ranked them No. 1 (Like USC in 2003). A school with that big of a profile making up their own championship in the modern era would be ridiculous. And they’d become a laughing stock for doing it.

 

[yoda_5729]

UCF fans seem to conveniently forget that Georgia avenged that loss to Auburn by a three touchdown victory in the SEC Championship game. UCF fans are absolutely adorable.

This is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. You had a great season but to declare yourself national champions by means of the transitive property?

Though I have no issue with Georgia being in the National Championship game, beating a team you play a second time is easier then playing them once. The second time you've had a chance to experience the team first hand and how they play directly against your team. Beating a team twice is actually a lot harder to do, because the positives you have are usually negated the second time you see them. UCF for example, beat nationally ranked Memphis twice.

 

[NearTheEars]

Though I have no issue with Georgia being in the National Championship game, beating a team you play a second time is easier then playing them once. The second time you've had a chance to experience the team first hand and how they play directly against your team. Beating a team twice is actually a lot harder to do, because the positives you have are usually negated the second time you see them. UCF for example, beat nationally ranked Memphis twice.

That took me much longer than it should have for me to understand.

In other news I see we got this thing booted to the chit chat forum.
Much like the Hall of Presidents thread, it’s really hard to keep the politics of selecting a champion out of this parade thread.

 

[21stamps]

Here you go UCF. With this website you can claim the National Championship for any year you'd like! Isn't the transitive property awesome??!!

http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp

This is hilarious!! Someone get the Committee on the phone.. I take back what I said.. my Bucks were Robbed!!!

Though I have no issue with Georgia being in the National Championship game, beating a team you play a second time is easier then playing them once. The second time you've had a chance to experience the team first hand and how they play directly against your team. Beating a team twice is actually a lot harder to do, because the positives you have are usually negated the second time you see them. UCF for example, beat nationally ranked Memphis twice.

Oh wow. Come on now.lol. This is getting crazy.

Btw.. I’ve never heard Memphis and football mentioned this much in my entire life

 

[21stamps]

I just looked at the comments on the twitter post in the OP..

Multiple people complaining about the price of Disney World.

...Full circle.

 

[yoda_5729]

Perhaps my last post was hard to follow. What I was trying to say though, was that if your team performs against another directly, you now have a pretty good understanding of the positives and negatives both teams bring to the field. For example, if two teams are reasonably evenly matched, who has the faster receivers?: Who's line will hold up better against the other over the course of a full game? Is your running back able to break tackles and get breakaways against the other team or are they well coached in tackling his specific type of running style.

If the answers are positive, then you may not have to focus as much in practice in those categories, but if they are negative results, knowing that can mean you can set up plays to strengthen the lines, or help the receivers or backs. (These are just examples off the top of my head). If you know one side of the line is weaker then you thought, you can change things up. If you've found the team had problems running up the left side, but was very successful on the right, you'll likely strengthen the left side. If you play a team once though, you are more likely to get blindsided when you think your team is fast enough to stay with the other, and they get run out of the building. If they get run out of the building, you at the very least know, not to get into a race with them. So, you explore being more physical or other options. many teams have thought they were fast enough to compete against the other, and were blindsided by their own overconfidence. Losing, and failure, are two very good teachers. That's what I was trying to say, it was nothing against Georgia, as I stated, of the teams I've seen, their resume says they should be in the game.

 

[UCF]

That’s a 6,400 circulation newspaper. I’m looking for an officially recognized organization or poll, like The Associated Press, to name them the champions. I’m not struggling to recognize anything.

Again, UCF had an awesome season. They should definitely celebrate it. But under the current format, they are not national champions. Heck, they started the playoff format to try and avoid these debates.

Now I definitely agree with you that the system still needs to be tweaked so a non-power 5 school like UCF could get a better shot. Unfortunately, despite being undefeated, they just didn’t have the resume. Their only Top 25 win before the Peach Bowl was the conference title game. Scheduling some tougher non-conference opponents in the future would definitely help the cause.

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm

This computer generated poll is formally recognized by the NCAA as a selector of the national champion, so in all likelihood, NCAA will formally recognize that UCF claims a national championship as a result. Some won't be released until after the last game so we'll have to see what the other polls and NCAA selectors do, but at least one has chosen UCF, giving them the formal rights to claim it.

 

[NearTheEars]

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm

This computer generated poll is formally recognized by the NCAA as a selector of the national champion, so in all likelihood, NCAA will formally recognize that UCF claims a national championship as a result. Some won't be released until after the last game so we'll have to see what the other polls and NCAA selectors do, but at least one has chosen UCF, giving them the formal rights to claim it.

This computer poll still has to update after Bowl season is complete. UCF has actually led this poll since the end of the regular season.

 

[Prince-1]

Hush up you bitter negative Nancy. The Knights are the most iconic football team this year and they deserve the title. And this is coming from someone who hates sports. You're just jealous your sucky team, whoever that may be, didn't earn crap

You are truly a petulant child, lol. As for MY team...UGA is playing in the actual national championship game. I hope UCF enjoys watching it from the couch.

 

[jbolen2]

The post season this year firmed up why they need a 6 or 8 team playoff and this is coming from a Bama fan.