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News UCF Peach Bowl/National Championship Parade
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21stamps
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UCF is not the first team to go undefeated in college football yet not be in a final.,and they won’t be the last.
It sounds like people think this is the first time it has happened.
We are in agreement about Alabama’s regular season., we are not in agreement about UCF being chosen above Alabama.
You don’t need to convince me of what Alabama wasn’t this year.
I hope this doesn’t sound rude, it isn’t meant to be, but I don’t think you understand how pre season rankings work.
yoda_5729
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I think that's my problem, and it's a problem college football will have as long as they are trying to orchestrate the national championship. That is, Alabama was "chosen." Did they do anything at all during the regular season to deserve it? Whether UCF is an inferior schedule or not, they went undefeated and beat a few ranked teams, and won their conference championship. As far as I'm concerned, the conference champions should get an automatic bid, and I'm aware the playoff would have to be expanded. Then you could have have a few at large bids. That should be it. If people aren't happy about the fairness of the conferences, reorganize the conferences. That's the only way it'd be fair. If the playoff was 8 teams, UCF still wouldn't have made it, as they were not in the top 8 rankings.
I'm aware there are times an undefeated team wasn't chosen for the national championship, but in a year where they were the sole undefeated team, even counting schools that had easier schedules, I think that's silly. I'm sure the NFL would always love for the Patriots, Giants, Cowboys, Bears, Packers, Steelers, etc. to play in the Super Bowl, but it's whomever wins that goes. No one says the Titans/Texans/Colts/Jaguars division in the NFL is weaker then the others, even if that might be true. The team that leads the division goes to the Playoffs. In the NFL, you play your division teams twice. If you are a great team, with other lightweights in your division,that's spotting a good team 9 wins. You play them once home, and once away. That can completely change the course of seasons, but no one talks about, yeah but so and so is in an easy division, so lets eliminate them, and send someone else. It's only in college football where people talk about the conferences and divisions. I understand all the problems, and it's quite possible Bama will win. I just don't think their regular season was all that impressive, and I think UCF's was. Maybe there were other teams, but in my opinion saying the only undefeated team isn't in, is a bit fishy. I understand all the arguements, but it doesn't change my feeling on that. Hope everyone enjoys the game, and that all the players are healthy and safe afterwards.
21stamps
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I’d like to see an 8 game playoff. The thing about UCF vs Bama is moot though., Bama favoritism has nothing to do with UCF not getting in, UCF wasn’t in the conversation because of their conference and opponents.
My feelings- if the committee wouldn’t have put OSU in last year as non conference champs, only for OSU to be humiliated., then they would have chosen the Buckeyes over Alabama this year.
That’s the conversation that I think was had.. that’s about it. Those were the 2 teams being considered.
LittleGiants'16
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My two cents:
Maybe I missed someone mentioning this, but college football isn’t solely about what you do against the Top-25. It’s about a week-to-week grind for thirteen weeks.
In my estimation, that’s why Alabama is a better team (and one more worthy of the Natty) than UCF. When Alabama isn’t playing a top-25 opponent, they play in a loaded SEC West where all seven teams had top-33 recruiting classes this spring. When UCF isn’t playing Memphis or USF, they’re playing UConn (3-9 with a 30-point loss to Mizzou) or ECU (3-9 with a loss to an FCS team). I know UCF was sixth in the country on Strength of Record (Alabama was second), but you just can’t compare the SEC West and the AAC East.
I’m also not going to lambast UCF for not playing a Power 5 team until the Peach Bowl. Getting a good game is a two-way street: if you’re too good, then the big schools won’t play you for fear of losing. That said, UCF wasn’t supposed to be this good this year. Not saying they could have done more, but I’d be curious to know if they tried.
I’ll be the first to say I loved watching UCF this year, and I rooted for them to beat Auburn, but you can’t compare Alabama, Georgia, and UCF. Did UCF beat Auburn after having a month to scheme for them? Yes, yes they did, and they should be proud of that. But I’m not convinced they could have beaten them with only a week to prepare, especially if they had played LSU the week before and had Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and TAMU to close out the month.
TL/DR: Tell UCF to come talk to me when they make it through the SEC West for a year. Then we can talk about them being in the same zip code as Alabama.
Maybe I missed someone mentioning this, but college football isn’t solely about what you do against the Top-25. It’s about a week-to-week grind for thirteen weeks.
In my estimation, that’s why Alabama is a better team (and one more worthy of the Natty) than UCF. When Alabama isn’t playing a top-25 opponent, they play in a loaded SEC West where all seven teams had top-33 recruiting classes this spring. When UCF isn’t playing Memphis or USF, they’re playing UConn (3-9 with a 30-point loss to Mizzou) or ECU (3-9 with a loss to an FCS team). I know UCF was sixth in the country on Strength of Record (Alabama was second), but you just can’t compare the SEC West and the AAC East.
I’m also not going to lambast UCF for not playing a Power 5 team until the Peach Bowl. Getting a good game is a two-way street: if you’re too good, then the big schools won’t play you for fear of losing. That said, UCF wasn’t supposed to be this good this year. Not saying they could have done more, but I’d be curious to know if they tried.
I’ll be the first to say I loved watching UCF this year, and I rooted for them to beat Auburn, but you can’t compare Alabama, Georgia, and UCF. Did UCF beat Auburn after having a month to scheme for them? Yes, yes they did, and they should be proud of that. But I’m not convinced they could have beaten them with only a week to prepare, especially if they had played LSU the week before and had Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and TAMU to close out the month.
TL/DR: Tell UCF to come talk to me when they make it through the SEC West for a year. Then we can talk about them being in the same zip code as Alabama.
yoda_5729
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Well, congrats to Alabama. Though I didn't agree with why they were chosen, they won the game that crowns the title. They should celebrate that, and Georgia can also celebrate being the SEC champion. Both get huge paydays, but I do feel for the Georgia players, but am releieved the kicker for Alabama wasn't made the scapegoat.
21stamps
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Ugh. I wanted to be wrong.
. And.. I would have lost the under.. good thing that I don’t bet on sports.
yoda_5729
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This is where I have difficulties, and this is probably my last post on the subject. Alabama won the national championship game, congrats to them, and they can call themselves the champs. Many talk about the 1st class recruits a team has, or the strength of schedules and all of that, but that technically is not what a championship is supposed to be about. Champions win. It doesn't matter how fastthey are, or high high they can jump, or what they can bench press. Champions win. The Miracle on Ice hockey team was not the most skilled team in the Olympics. Their coach readily admits if they played the Russians more times, they'd lose a great deal of them, but for one game that truly mattered, they won. They schocked the world, because they got into the position to compete against the Russians, and then actually won. All I was saying was that UCF should have been given the opportunity, after going undefeated, because they had earned it by doing everything that was asked of them. They may have gotten completely slaughtered, and run out of the building. Maybe even shut out. But they had earned that right to compete against the best teams.
I do not believe I ever once said across the board UCF is as athletic or skilled as Alabama or Ohio State or Vanderbilt for that matter, but that's not what competition is about. That surely is a factor, but sometimes the most talented teams aren't coordinated. Or they just have a bad night. Jerry Rice, who many consider the greatest wide receiver to ever live, was not a high draft choice. They felt he wasn't tall enough, he wasn't fast enough, he played for a school with no legacy in football (Mississippi Valley State), and because he never played against anyone, he couldn't really be taken all that seriously as a good receiver (Don't get me wrong Jerry was a GREAT athlete, but the scouts didn't see it, because it was in things they weren't looking at.). Jerry got his chance to prove them and everyone wrong, and he did prove them all wrong. UCF will never have the option to prove anyone wrong. That to me is wrong. The comments about "join a real conference" are moot, because they can't this year, and the team will change next year. The 2017-2018 UCF Knights will be denied the right to show if they are just another middle of the road team playing in an easy confernece, or if they are something completely different. That's all I was ever trying to say. On paper the Detroit Pistons of Rasheed Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace, had no business whatsoever beating Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton. They did though. The Fab Five of Michigan, one of the greatest starting line-ups (and recruiting classes) in college basketball history, never won a national championship. Jimmy V beat Houston, which had Hakeem Olajuwan and Clyde Drexler, two future hall of famers. If the question is who's the greatest team by what their draft options are, or their athletic ability, then Alabama will likely always be high, and they can probably give them, or another high recruiting team the trophy at the beginning of the season. Alabama has won a whole bunch of championships, and as such, they get a lot of money for it, and make a lot of money, and that allows them great resources in getting talent. They will always have that. They will always have the legacy and history of the school. A school with no legacy never can compete against that.In the biggest game of the year, Alabama won it, and they do deserve props for that. Under the system I suggested, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma, Washington, and many others, including UCF would have been in. Then you could have put an Alabama, Auburn, Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, or others (or just one of those) in there as at large bids, or you could explain that the conference championships are supposed to matter. Either way, I've talked about this enough. Congrats to Alabama.
DisneyJayL
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- In the Parks
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I’m not gonna throw salt here. Congrats to UCF on a fantastic year! Roll Tide, baby!
Horizons '83
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- In the Parks
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I think you might be missing the point slightly. Perhaps this year FSU wasn't the powerhouse that Bama thought they would be when the scheduled them 2 years ago, same with LSU who they play EVERY year and Auburn who plays them EVERY year. UCF doesn't have one strong opponent they play EVERY year, and this year not one except Auburn, who they didn't schedule just by chance played in a meaningless bowl game.
I have to, in all fairness, update this sentiment. After last night's game, it's entirely possible that UCF could well hold their own against Sabanama.
NearTheEars
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Worth noting that the computer poll mentioned earlier in the thread has updated its final result with Alabam ranked No. 1.
http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm
http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm
21stamps
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Dead2009
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Since the computers dont recognize UCF as #1, that means then, by default, they have no claim to the National Championship.
jhastings74
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Especially with the way Bama played in the first half. Put UCF's nation-leading scoring offense in there and even if Bama had come back stronger in the 2nd half, the points UCF could have rung up before halftime, along with more points in the 2nd half and their #7 defense in the country, would have been too much for Bama to overcome. I have no doubt UCF would have won versus either team last night. Like many others, as an alumnus, I'm disappointed they didn't get the opportunity.
21stamps
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All I can say is.. Ohio State vs Iowa.
There is no way to say how a game would have gone without playing the actual game.
Again, Iowa. Who would have thunk it.
NearTheEars
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Haha that was just one computer model. But I believe the only one that was showing them at 1. I don’t know what Bama winning did to the others.